Senators rework driver's license bill

Undocumented immigrants would continue receiving New Mexico driver's licenses under a bill that was reshaped Tuesday night by six Democratic state senators. Full Story
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Bob

Las Cruces, NM

#2 Mar 9, 2011
This is ridiculous. All those democrats need to grow up and look around. The state continues to be overrun with illegal immigrants and we continue to welcome them with open arms! How do they not understand that entering the country illegally is a CRIME and they need to be arrested and sent back to where they came from? How many more cuts to education will it take before they realize how much money we could be savings by not supporting illegal immigration?
God bless USA

United States

#3 Mar 9, 2011
Everybody against the immigration ( legal or illegal ) have some life hardship poor or underemplyed I assume and they believe the reason for their misery is the immigrants stealing jobs from the hardworking Americans ? You have been nationally dreaming , the reality is hardly explainable to people like you! Consult with an economist or business owner ...:

The only reason the illegals are allowed to be here is profit! Profit for the business they work for, simple free market condition, imagine you are owner of construction company in the summer heat who you would hire? Or you are the owner of meat processing plant who would you hire? Or you own landscaping business... So they ( some politicians ) makes believe that the immigrants are the reason for the downturn of the states income ? Is exactly the opposite ! Without immigrant labor any producing factory would move out of the US it is happening don't tell me you don't see it! So about the bankruptcy of the states simple economics, the main revenue for the states budgets is sales and real estate taxes! Yes or no? So without the foreign hardworking community which is about 40 million immagine what would happen to those revenues and the housing market ( rental or to own )! Any politician proposing something for deportation or something for that 40 million community is clearly thinking for his own future being reelected ! In the USA you buy house for 100 grand but you owe to the banks 350 000 you buy a car for 30 000 but in 5 years you owe 40 000 and when you deceide to sell it it cost 5000$ there are the real crimes thiefs and parasites! not the hardworking 6,50$ an hour fruit pickers from our agriculture fields !
Bob

Las Cruces, NM

#5 Mar 9, 2011
God bless USA wrote:
Everybody against the immigration ( legal or illegal ) have some life hardship poor or underemplyed I assume and they believe the reason for their misery is the immigrants stealing jobs from the hardworking Americans ? You have been nationally dreaming , the reality is hardly explainable to people like you! Consult with an economist or business owner ...:
The only reason the illegals are allowed to be here is profit! Profit for the business they work for, simple free market condition, imagine you are owner of construction company in the summer heat who you would hire? Or you are the owner of meat processing plant who would you hire? Or you own landscaping business... So they ( some politicians ) makes believe that the immigrants are the reason for the downturn of the states income ? Is exactly the opposite ! Without immigrant labor any producing factory would move out of the US it is happening don't tell me you don't see it! So about the bankruptcy of the states simple economics, the main revenue for the states budgets is sales and real estate taxes! Yes or no? So without the foreign hardworking community which is about 40 million immagine what would happen to those revenues and the housing market ( rental or to own )! Any politician proposing something for deportation or something for that 40 million community is clearly thinking for his own future being reelected ! In the USA you buy house for 100 grand but you owe to the banks 350 000 you buy a car for 30 000 but in 5 years you owe 40 000 and when you deceide to sell it it cost 5000$ there are the real crimes thiefs and parasites! not the hardworking 6,50$ an hour fruit pickers from our agriculture fields !
No. The reason we don't support illegal immigration is because the people that enter the country illegally do so so that they can have babies that are automatically granted citizenship and then they can receive welfare checks that allow them to sit around at home all day and have more babies and get more money! This "free" money is stolen from the NM taxpayers and is why we are always having to cut education and other budgets.
Ex El Paso res

Las Cruces, NM

#7 Mar 9, 2011
When are these dumb Democrates in New Mexico (specifically Garcia) going to get the point that approx. 75% of the New Mexico population is against giving a DL to an ILLEGAL??

For the 75% of us that think giving a DL to Illegals is wrong make sure to get out and vote these folks out that keep doing what they want and not what we want.

Since: Dec 10

Albuquerque

#9 Mar 9, 2011
If you think that preventing someone from getting a drivers license is going to make them leave the country, you're dreaming. California and Texas and Arizona don't issue licenses to illegals.... should the border patrol in those states just go home and watch TV?

The idea that illegals drain the economy is a myth. They work with fake social security numbers and all those deductions go into the trust fund where people with real numbers do (and will) get the money. They spend money just like you and I do, supporting our economy, and their sales taxes go to buy the police and fire protection your sales taxes do.

Your blame is misplaced. The real reason the economy sucks in not because of poor people looking for a better life, but because the wealthy are paying a far, far smaller percentage of their income in taxes.... about 1/4 what they were during the Eisenhower Administration. America is not broke... it's been starved by decades of rich people getting a windfall while the rest of us work harder. 400 of America's wealthiest have the same net worth as 155 million other Americans. We were told that trickle-down economics would restore prosperity to the middle class as the rich spent their money on jobs, but the only thing trickling down on us sure does smell like urine.

Anyone who thinks poor people are the problem has had the wool pulled over his or her yes. The working class has always blamed immigrants (Irish, Chinese, Italian, etc.) while the wealthy bought their 4th and 5th houses or yachts.

Read history, get smart, grow up. The poor aren't eating your lunch, the rich are.
Mordida

Albuquerque, NM

#11 Mar 9, 2011
There is a criminal invasion of the US going on right under your nose. Did you know they celebrate Mexican Independence Day in Santa Fe elementary schools now? Some schools have an 80% non-English speaking population.

Since: Jul 10

Alamogordo, NM

#14 Mar 9, 2011
Vote all the Dems out that are for illegals getting a drivers license.

Are you kidding....it gives them the ability to drive to their job. What job ? They are illegal and should not have a job. Nor should they be driving on our roads, license or not.

It is time to stop this nonsense, NOW. Yiou are illegal, you get nothing.
get a life

Las Cruces, NM

#15 Mar 9, 2011
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
No. The reason we don't support illegal immigration is because the people that enter the country illegally do so so that they can have babies that are automatically granted citizenship and then they can receive welfare checks that allow them to sit around at home all day and have more babies and get more money! This "free" money is stolen from the NM taxpayers and is why we are always having to cut education and other budgets.
If illegals enter the states to have babies, then why are the majority of illegals men? And all of those illegals working in the fields are doing so...for "welfare checks that allow them to sit around at home all day"??? And this directly affects you, how?
Rabid hyperbole

Las Cruces, NM

#16 Mar 9, 2011
Mordida wrote:
There is a criminal invasion of the US going on right under your nose. Did you know they celebrate Mexican Independence Day in Santa Fe elementary schools now? Some schools have an 80% non-English speaking population.
A criminal invasion? An 80% non-English speaking population in some schools? I call BS! If you're not BSing, tell us which schools you're talking about.
You are

Santa Fe, NM

#17 Mar 9, 2011
Rabid hyperbole wrote:
<quoted text>
A criminal invasion? An 80% non-English speaking population in some schools? I call BS! If you're not BSing, tell us which schools you're talking about.
too kind. Not hyperbole - lies

Since: Dec 10

Albuquerque

#18 Mar 9, 2011
Mordida wrote:
There is a criminal invasion of the US going on right under your nose. Did you know they celebrate Mexican Independence Day in Santa Fe elementary schools now? Some schools have an 80% non-English speaking population.
In the last two hours I've had three or four people keep an eye on my nose and the area right under it. No sign of illegal aliens. No legal aliens either, but that's beside the point.

Maybe the problem is that you are seeing things. Have you had your eyes checked lately? Do you see other things besides illegal aliens? Little green men, perhaps?

As far speaking English goes, i assume you are aware that most people in Europe speak two or more languages. Some speak several. They aren't particularly proud of it. It'sjust a prt of living next door to people of other cultures. My question is, why are Americans so proud of speaking only one? Is it because we are a big country with oceans on two sides, and we haven't had a war with our neighbors on the other two sides in over 150 years?

Does it make you feel like you're losing your control, or power, or birthright when people speak other languages or erect signs in Spanish? Are you conditioned to feel safe only in a majority?

Have you considered learning another one language....maybe Spanish? It's pretty obvious that the percentage of hispanics in this part of the country is going to keep going up no matter what you do, so wouldn't it be the smart thing be to learn their language? Especially if you're so concerned about that relatively small percentage who never will learn English?

There's something about humans that make some of them really afraid of people who don't look or act or sound like them. I know this is a BIG stretch, but have you even considered trying to understand diversity, variety, and new ideas, instead of trying to make everyone else conform to your sense of tradition?

Wherever you are, you're only there temporarily. People were there before and will be there after you, acting in ways that don't match yours. Pretending you have such total, permanent control over your environment is really rather naive. Please think about this before moving to some isolated part of Idaho.

Free is free

Albuquerque, NM

#19 Mar 9, 2011
So, from the article, it appears the following:

Eric Griego
Tim Jennings
Michael Sanchez

and several other Dems need to lose their jobs the next time they're up for election. It's pretty clear that the *citizens* want illegals not to have driver's licenses. To bottle this up in committee and not give it an up or down vote is politicking at its finest.

Come on, Dems! Take to a vote and show yourselves! We want to know who the citizen-hating, illegal-coddling charlatans are, so we can deal with you on election day!
Rick O Shea

Las Cruces, NM

#20 Mar 9, 2011
walterfm wrote:
If you think that preventing someone from getting a drivers license is going to make them leave the country, you're dreaming. California and Texas and Arizona don't issue licenses to illegals.... should the border patrol in those states just go home and watch TV?
The idea that illegals drain the economy is a myth. They work with fake social security numbers and all those deductions go into the trust fund where people with real numbers do (and will) get the money. They spend money just like you and I do, supporting our economy, and their sales taxes go to buy the police and fire protection your sales taxes do.
Your blame is misplaced. The real reason the economy sucks in not because of poor people looking for a better life, but because the wealthy are paying a far, far smaller percentage of their income in taxes.... about 1/4 what they were during the Eisenhower Administration. America is not broke... it's been starved by decades of rich people getting a windfall while the rest of us work harder. 400 of America's wealthiest have the same net worth as 155 million other Americans. We were told that trickle-down economics would restore prosperity to the middle class as the rich spent their money on jobs, but the only thing trickling down on us sure does smell like urine.
Anyone who thinks poor people are the problem has had the wool pulled over his or her yes. The working class has always blamed immigrants (Irish, Chinese, Italian, etc.) while the wealthy bought their 4th and 5th houses or yachts.
Read history, get smart, grow up. The poor aren't eating your lunch, the rich are.
It won't make them leave but it will help make it possible for them to be identified and deported. From reading your posts I get the impression that you are in favor of scraping all immigration law and border security. If that truely is your position, why don't you just come out and say it. Do you not believe that deportation is the correct response to illegal entry into the US?

Since: Dec 10

Albuquerque

#21 Mar 9, 2011
Rick O Shea wrote:
<quoted text>
It won't make them leave but it will help make it possible for them to be identified and deported. From reading your posts I get the impression that you are in favor of scraping all immigration law and border security. If that truely is your position, why don't you just come out and say it. Do you not believe that deportation is the correct response to illegal entry into the US?
Deportation of criminals is a great idea. Deportation of otherwise law-abiding mothers and fathers is not. It's inhumane, expensive, and ultimately futile, because they just come back. Other than keeping border guards employed, making companies that sell drones and other high-tech equipment rich, and making some blissfully ignorant citizens sleep a little better at night because they think we're getting things under control, the whole thing is pointless.

I don't know about you, but in a time of very limited public safety resources, I'd rather have my cops chasing rapists, murderers, burglars, pedophiles.......real criminals, whether they're here legally or not. And then locking them up for a long time so they don't have to be chased again. But like most laws that are hopelessly unrealistic (Prohibition, the drug wars) our current immigration laws are a joke. The problem is our elected officials can't agree on a replacement, because we voters can't agree on a solution, either. And as you may have noticed, the people who support our current immigration laws aren't getting the results they expected. it's just like the drug laws.... all we do is increase violent crime, spend a fortune on ineffective enforcement, make some enterprising crooks rich, and waste time that could otherwise be spent finding a real solution.

If someone wants to come to the USA to work or be with family, there is nothing we can do to prevent that. We're making criminals out of the 98% who are only trying to feed their kids or have something other than cardboard as a roof over their heads. I'd rather see us concentrate on the 2% that are committing the kind of crimes that we can all agree need to be stopped: violence, theft, molestations, etc. It makes no difference to me whether the drunk driver who runs over my kid is here legally or not.

If we're going to get a handle on this - meaning documenting these people so they have identification, immunizations, etc.,- we need to make the process of legal entry a lot easier (no four-year wait, no $2500 fee, etc.)..... like it was 100 years ago.

But....some conservatives are afraid to let too many Mexicans in because they are afraid they'll vote for Democrats (after becoming citizens and registering to vote, or prior to that in some massive voter fraud effort). Some don't like brown people period, some think they're taking away jobs from Bubba and Betty, some think their daughter might end up marrying one, some don't want to see signs on the street in Spanish... there are all kinds of motives. Of course a lot of these same conservatives will never be happy until things are the way they were in 1950, when life was great... as long as you were a white male.

Since: Dec 10

Albuquerque

#22 Mar 9, 2011
Free is free wrote:
So, from the article, it appears the following:
Eric Griego
Tim Jennings
Michael Sanchez
and several other Dems need to lose their jobs the next time they're up for election. It's pretty clear that the *citizens* want illegals not to have driver's licenses. To bottle this up in committee and not give it an up or down vote is politicking at its finest.
Come on, Dems! Take to a vote and show yourselves! We want to know who the citizen-hating, illegal-coddling charlatans are, so we can deal with you on election day!
The citizens don't want any one thing. Some want one thing and some want another. Your position sounds like last fall when after picking up some seats in the congress, the GOP said "The American public wants no part of Obamacare". Well, Obamacare wasn't up for election, and very close to half of the people who voted didn't vote for the GOP. These elections are won by relatively small margins.... 56-44 is considered a landslide - and yet the winner seems to want to forget that nearly half thought he was full of crap on election day and voted for the other guy.

And then of course next cycle, there's a good chance the other side will prevail, and they'll be saying "The American public wants us to implement Obamacare", conveniently forgetting that a lot of them got elected by the skin of their teeth.

So could we please stop acting like a small majority is the same thing as unanimous? The people who didn't vote for you didn't stop becoming Americans the day you took office. Hundreds of thousands of New Mexicans want no part of what the Governor wants to do with drivers licenses. We have no obligation to shut up or go away or give up. As a matter of fact, we may just see what you're up to and turn out in greater numbers next time.

Besides, as states like Wisconsin are proving, having a guy elected doesn't mean the public wants him to do whatever he wants. You just have to wait four years (unless your state has recall provisions) to fix that.
there

Santa Fe, NM

#23 Mar 9, 2011
Free is free wrote:
!
no one dumber or more dangerous in a democratic/republic than a one issue emotional voter.
ok then

Albuquerque, NM

#24 Mar 9, 2011
there wrote:
<quoted text>
no one dumber or more dangerous in a democratic/republic than a one issue emotional voter.
you should not be voting
Rick O Shea

Las Cruces, NM

#25 Mar 9, 2011
walterfm wrote:
<quoted text>
Deportation of criminals is a great idea. Deportation of otherwise law-abiding mothers and fathers is not. It's inhumane, expensive, and ultimately futile, because they just come back. Other than keeping border guards employed, making companies that sell drones and other high-tech equipment rich, and making some blissfully ignorant citizens sleep a little better at night because they think we're getting things under control, the whole thing is pointless.
I don't know about you, but in a time of very limited public safety resources, I'd rather have my cops chasing rapists, murderers, burglars, pedophiles.......real criminals, whether they're here legally or not. And then locking them up for a long time so they don't have to be chased again. But like most laws that are hopelessly unrealistic (Prohibition, the drug wars) our current immigration laws are a joke. The problem is our elected officials can't agree on a replacement, because we voters can't agree on a solution, either. And as you may have noticed, the people who support our current immigration laws aren't getting the results they expected. it's just like the drug laws.... all we do is increase violent crime, spend a fortune on ineffective enforcement, make some enterprising crooks rich, and waste time that could otherwise be spent finding a real solution.
If someone wants to come to the USA to work or be with family, there is nothing we can do to prevent that. We're making criminals out of the 98% who are only trying to feed their kids or have something other than cardboard as a roof over their heads. I'd rather see us concentrate on the 2% that are committing the kind of crimes that we can all agree need to be stopped: violence, theft, molestations, etc. It makes no difference to me whether the drunk driver who runs over my kid is here legally or not.
If we're going to get a handle on this - meaning documenting these people so they have identification, immunizations, etc.,- we need to make the process of legal entry a lot easier (no four-year wait, no $2500 fee, etc.)..... like it was 100 years ago.
But....some conservatives are afraid to let too many Mexicans in because they are afraid they'll vote for Democrats (after becoming citizens and registering to vote, or prior to that in some massive voter fraud effort). Some don't like brown people period, some think they're taking away jobs from Bubba and Betty, some think their daughter might end up marrying one, some don't want to see signs on the street in Spanish... there are all kinds of motives. Of course a lot of these same conservatives will never be happy until things are the way they were in 1950, when life was great... as long as you were a white male.
Ok, so Bubba n Betty are racist and don't want any non whites immigrating here. Are you trying to imply that everyone against illegal immigration is a white racist. Conservatives in NM wern't afraid to elect a hispanic govenor. Making the process easier is very different than allowing anyone who makes it across the border to legally live and work in the US. Most everyone in Mexico, and the US. as well, would like a better life. Should we just allow everyone in Mexico and all the other countries throughout central and south america wanting a better life to come as well? Where do you draw the line? Even if the immigration process becomes less burdensome and more cost effective for people to immigrate legally, why would anyone choose to follow a legal path if they can still recieve the same benefits and resources (such as a drivers license) without the consequence of deportation if they are caught in the US illegally?
Rick O Shea

Las Cruces, NM

#26 Mar 9, 2011
walterfm wrote:
<quoted text>
The citizens don't want any one thing. Some want one thing and some want another. Your position sounds like last fall when after picking up some seats in the congress, the GOP said "The American public wants no part of Obamacare". Well, Obamacare wasn't up for election, and very close to half of the people who voted didn't vote for the GOP. These elections are won by relatively small margins.... 56-44 is considered a landslide - and yet the winner seems to want to forget that nearly half thought he was full of crap on election day and voted for the other guy.
And then of course next cycle, there's a good chance the other side will prevail, and they'll be saying "The American public wants us to implement Obamacare", conveniently forgetting that a lot of them got elected by the skin of their teeth.
So could we please stop acting like a small majority is the same thing as unanimous? The people who didn't vote for you didn't stop becoming Americans the day you took office. Hundreds of thousands of New Mexicans want no part of what the Governor wants to do with drivers licenses. We have no obligation to shut up or go away or give up. As a matter of fact, we may just see what you're up to and turn out in greater numbers next time.
Besides, as states like Wisconsin are proving, having a guy elected doesn't mean the public wants him to do whatever he wants. You just have to wait four years (unless your state has recall provisions) to fix that.
You can hardly say that the election results of last fall were determined by a "small majority"

"Besides, as states like Wisconsin are proving, having a guy elected doesn't mean the public wants him to do whatever he wants."

Thats a bold statement considering the Senate Dems action with 75% of New Mexicans want to repeal the DLs for illegals.
Where

Santa Fe, NM

#27 Mar 9, 2011
Rick O Shea wrote:
<quoted text>
.
does this "bold statement" come from: "75% of New Mexicans want to repeal the DLs for illegals."
and when has there been a real look at this and an honest public debate. All I see is bluster and the typical anti-immigrant stuff.

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