Martinez vetoes minimum wage increase

Martinez vetoes minimum wage increase

There are 107 comments on the Alamogordo Daily News story from Mar 30, 2013, titled Martinez vetoes minimum wage increase. In it, Alamogordo Daily News reports that:

Gov. Susana Martinez on Friday vetoed a bill to increase the state's minimum wage by $1 an hour, to $8.50. Martinez, a Republican, blamed majority Democrats in the state Legislature for seeking too large an increase.

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xando

United States

#41 Mar 31, 2013
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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Regardless, in a republic, where our leaders are elected to do what is right, not necessary what feels good at the moment, sometimes the answer is just "no".
Really?????

YOU, the libertarian who wants government out of your life, are willing to let government decide what is best for you???

Or is that only when it agrees with your thinking?

Hypocrite.

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#42 Mar 31, 2013
xando wrote:
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Really?????
YOU, the libertarian who wants government out of your life, are willing to let government decide what is best for you???
Or is that only when it agrees with your thinking?
Hypocrite.
Sorry, but your nose is growing again. I've never stated I was a devout libertarian. My views are classified as a mixture of libertarian and conservative.

Willing to let government decide what is best for me? Exactly how? I'm self employed, and have been for a decade, thus, the minimum wage is irrelevant to me. Furthermore, I don't have any employees, and don't plan on hiring any..thus, the minimum wage STILL is irrelevant to me.

Please explain exactly how NOT raising the minimum wage, which is a conservative position (along with no minimum wage at all), and my support for same, makes me a hypocrite.

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#43 Mar 31, 2013
xando wrote:
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"REAL" Americans elected Pres Obama TWICE.
LOL
No. Real Americans voted for pretty much anybody EXCEPT Barack Obama.

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#44 Mar 31, 2013
xando wrote:
It is really difficult for you to fathom that you and "your ilk" (as you are so fond of saying) do not speak for some silent majority in America.
Common sense should tell you that a minimum wage increase initiative would be firmly supported by New Mexicans. This is an extremely poor state where the majority if employed adults work for minimum wage. Of course they will support an increase.
In fact, the overwhelming majority of Americans support minimum wage increases.
Americans elected Pres Obama, not once but twice. Apparently they approve of the job he is doing.
Face it, you and "your ilk" are a dying breed. You do not speak for many Americans.
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There is no doubt in my mind that you believe what you say. Liberals are a deluded lot.

And there is no doubt in my mind that when the government is willing to give the voter a handout, the average low-information voter will take the handout. However, when voters are educated on the actual effects of those handouts, now and in the future, most voters will reject the handouts.

Of course, there is always a percentage of voters who only live for the "now", and simply do not care what happens to their kids or grandkids, and they will vote for people like Barack Obama always.

There is also no doubt in my mind that the end is near for liberalism as an effective mode of governance. It is already failing in Europe, and the United States is not far behind. Thanks to modern liberalism, our nation is on an unsustainable course. Eventually, we will have to pay the piper.
factologist

Huntsville, AL

#45 Mar 31, 2013
Cary L Nickel wrote:
<quoted text>Eventually, we will have to pay the piper.
You mean the piper that the neo-cons hired and put on the "tab" for the libs to pay off with a busted economy that the cons also left? That piper? A trill here, a trill there, 1 mill laid off here, 2 mill laid off there, a bailout here, a loan there and all put on the deficient by a conservative admin. and legislature.That piper?

I remember him, he's called Con Man.
IDGAF

Bedford, MA

#46 Mar 31, 2013
Have to agree here. A minimum wage increase will only raise the cost of living, effectively gaining minimum wage earners nothing and impacting the upper level much more.m

“Each Thought Creates A Reality”

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#47 Mar 31, 2013
How can you say that a living minimum wage will impact the cost of living negatively. We live on the backs of the poor. Like paying your fair share. Just like giving at the church of your choice. Charity starts with such laws like minimum wage and Universal Health Care.
IDGAF

Bedford, MA

#48 Mar 31, 2013
Willothewisp wrote:
How can you say that a living minimum wage will impact the cost of living negatively. We live on the backs of the poor. Like paying your fair share. Just like giving at the church of your choice. Charity starts with such laws like minimum wage and Universal Health Care.
The business owners that employ the minimum wage earners cost of operation increases, resulting in an increased price of product to the customer and ultimately back to the minimum wage earners. This is not rocket science. You see, the higher the wages for the bottom end, the higher the cost of living. Let me know if I need to speak slowly. Other impacts include a higher cost of living for the middle and upper class who do not get that dollar raise. These are not abstract concepts. Impact of a raised minimum wage is increased cost of goods and decreased purchasing, ultimately impacting the conomy negatively. No one rides the backs of the minimum wage earners. Everyone has the ability to go beyond minimum wage here. It requires work. Bottom line is that raising the minimum wage looks good on paper, but is not in real life.m. Minimum wage is what, 7.50/hr or 300/week or 15600 a year. A raise to 8.50 brings this number to 340/wk or 17680 a year. The 2000 difference will not make up for the prices they will have to pay as a result of their increase. They will also have to pay a little more in taxes and may not qaulify for certain govt aide. No, I think I'm right, if I wanted to be an a-hole, I'd say, yeah give them a raise and let them suffer the consequences.

“Each Thought Creates A Reality”

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#49 Mar 31, 2013
thanks for speaking slowly. it proves my point. more tax monies in the form of gross receipts and income tax. this in turn is given back to those who are most in need. like a government offering plate that everyone gets to fill and/or use. charity starts at home.
thank gawd

Albuquerque, NM

#50 Mar 31, 2013
Ok, While I lean to liberal, I can't support this raising the minimum wage.

If people want to make a "living wage", then get the skills necessary to do that. I spent years in school and had to pay off loans for that.

Too bad some had kids when they were 15 and could not get the same opportunities.

Well, that's the long reach of bad decisions.

Same goes for good decisions.....

Maybe going back to school with littel ones around will show them the right way to a better life.
xando

United States

#51 Mar 31, 2013
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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Sorry, but your nose is growing again. I've never stated I was a devout libertarian. My views are classified as a mixture of libertarian and conservative.
I didn't say anything about devout, did I? You have said many times you are a libertarian who believes gov should stay out of people's lives. I'm merely going by what YOU have said.
Willing to let government decide what is best for me? Exactly how?
You said sometimes gov doesn't need to do the will of the people; they need to do what is right. That is surprising coming from a libertarian....OR a conservative.
I'm self employed, and have been for a decade, thus, the minimum wage is irrelevant to me. Furthermore, I don't have any employees, and don't plan on hiring any..thus, the minimum wage STILL is irrelevant to me.
If I'm not mistaken, YOU are the one who began this thread. Now you are trying to wiggle out of things.
Please explain exactly how NOT raising the minimum wage, which is a conservative position (along with no minimum wage at all), and my support for same, makes me a hypocrite.
You have made a point to expound many times in these threads how gov has no business in private lives and business, and yet, you're fine with gov being involved in this instance.

You are a hypocrite.

“Each Thought Creates A Reality”

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#52 Mar 31, 2013
And who will take care of the bottom tier jobs if everyone gets the education and skills you talk about? Come on, get real.
IDGAF

Bedford, MA

#53 Mar 31, 2013
Willothewisp wrote:
thanks for speaking slowly. it proves my point. more tax monies in the form of gross receipts and income tax. this in turn is given back to those who are most in need. like a government offering plate that everyone gets to fill and/or use. charity starts at home.
I think you are shifting your position. You were talking about a living wage. You never once mentioned what I laid out for you. If you look at more taxes on the low earners and a decrease in gross receipts you end up with a much more broken economy. I don't think you understand what you are arguing. Bottom line is that increasing the minimum wage is a bad idea. And no, the only thing we've proven is that you do not know what you are arguing.

“Each Thought Creates A Reality”

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#54 Mar 31, 2013
Never mentioned living wage. That would not be minimum. You really need to read more slowly. And also, don't check your humor at the door.
idgaf

Bedford, MA

#55 Mar 31, 2013
Are you not the one arguing for a min wage increase? You will not get an increase in gross receipts if the cost of things go up. Even talking slowly to you, common sense evades you. Go learn something, then come back and argue.

“Each Thought Creates A Reality”

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#56 Mar 31, 2013
idgaf wrote:
You will not get an increase in gross receipts if the cost of things go up.
You obviously are misinformed and mistaken. Or your sentence needs tweaking. Or you have never filled out a CRS-1 form. It is in our city of Albuquerque 7%. The state will collect more gross receipts on the increased cost of living, goods and services. Unless you think that cost of living is static and goods and services won't increase. With increase in wages, more taxes and add-ons will bring more money into the government's coffers.

Slowly: You pay one dollar and seven cents in gross receipts for your gazoobo. The cost of doing business goes up and you are now paying two dollars for the same item and now fourteen cents of that same transaction goes to the state in the form of gross receipts. And the cost of goods sold and made and...it goes on and on. Really like a multiplier effect. Own your own business and maybe you will come to understand.

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#57 Mar 31, 2013
xando wrote:
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I didn't say anything about devout, did I? You have said many times you are a libertarian who believes gov should stay out of people's lives. I'm merely going by what YOU have said.
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You said sometimes gov doesn't need to do the will of the people; they need to do what is right. That is surprising coming from a libertarian....OR a conservative.
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If I'm not mistaken, YOU are the one who began this thread. Now you are trying to wiggle out of things.
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You have made a point to expound many times in these threads how gov has no business in private lives and business, and yet, you're fine with gov being involved in this instance.
You are a hypocrite.
Again your nose grows. I'm a conservative who leans libertarian, and I've stated that on many occasions.

Hypocrite? No, not at all. I will always vote for limited government. No candidate is perfect, but some are more perfect than others.

Susana Martinez is a fine governor. She is a limited government Republican governing a Democrat state, and she's managed to hold it together and keep her popularity high. I know that chaps your hide no end.

I consider that a fine start!

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#58 Apr 1, 2013
factologist wrote:
<quoted text>You mean the piper that the neo-cons hired and put on the "tab" for the libs to pay off with a busted economy that the cons also left? That piper? A trill here, a trill there, 1 mill laid off here, 2 mill laid off there, a bailout here, a loan there and all put on the deficient by a conservative admin. and legislature.That piper?
I remember him, he's called Con Man.
Of course, your warped thinking process blames conservatives for big government that eats up tax revenue far beyond what is collected, and blames conservatives for the over-regulation that costs the economy trillions of dollars in lost productivity.

In reality, both can be laid at the doorstep of big-government liberals, in both political parties.

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#59 Apr 1, 2013
Willothewisp wrote:
How can you say that a living minimum wage will impact the cost of living negatively. We live on the backs of the poor. Like paying your fair share. Just like giving at the church of your choice. Charity starts with such laws like minimum wage and Universal Health Care.
Spoken like a true Marxist/Leninist.

Government has no business being involved in charity. President Lyndon Johnson announced the "War on Poverty" in 1964, and here we are, nearly half a century later, with trillions spent, and tens of thousands of government jobs created, all to fight poverty..and the poverty rate sits at nearly exactly the same rate as it did in 1964.

Guess the "War on Poverty" worked out for all those folks holding government jobs addressing poverty, though.

Charity rightly belongs in the churches and private sector, where programs are far more effective..and COST effective.

Government's only rightful place when it comes to the standard of living is to provide the level playing field where every citizen can succeed.
Raygun

Charlottesville, VA

#60 Apr 1, 2013
Silk_the_Absent1 wrote:
This puts things in perspective, as to what so-called "conservatives" are actually trying to conserve.
http://tinyurl.com/d4k92jk
Well, it's called "trickle-down" for a reason...

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