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Voluntarist

United States

#61233 Oct 25, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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I agree you are moderate, relative to the loonies, and that you dont buy into everything. But I do disagree on the "gorging at the trough" characterization. People have differing opinions regarding what should be essential. The trough is there, the question is how to divide it. I dont see how the system is evil in itself. It seems to me that the TP is afraid of engaging in public discourse in making the hard choices.
Its very simple, you want to take from the haves and give to the have nots.

And you use the excuse that we have to pay for government services that we take.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#61234 Oct 25, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
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You could say that about any business. Some people need whips, chains and candle wax, while others are served just as well by a quick hand job.
How's that for a pre-Shabbat analogy?
Rick---Some people need whips, chains and candle wax, while others are served just as well by a quick HAND JOB.

HughBe-- Do your hands work regularly?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#61235 Oct 25, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Have a good shabbat, and dont forget that whips, chains, and candle wax are probably considered within the melachot. I'd opt for the handjob.
Frijoles---I'd opt for the handjob.

HughBe--- As nothing else will work for the ....
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#61236 Oct 25, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Hi Hugh,
I was busy helping out in a Math camp for undergrads
held at a local college.
The ex-Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC) scientist, who, some months ago, was helping me with certain topics in advanced Math (in my intensive preparation for the BARC national entrance exam leading to doctoral research) invited me to help him and a few other Math buffs with the Math camp for undergrads. It was fun teaching a few topics like combinatorics, vector analysis and solid geometry to the undergrads - a pretty interested lot with a poor foundation in the subject.
This aside, I used the time off to develop a new line of thinking that attempts to take a closer look at the origin of species using models comprising numerical and alphabetical information and relating that to mind-matter field and its calibrated manifestations - my logic has led me to conclude that both the yogic view as well as Darwinian evolution are plausible mechanisms and I have attempted a novel synthesis of both. More on this later....
I also corresponded with a leading Mind-Matter mainstream scientist, Dr Dean Radin, who happens to be an ex-Jew and a practicing Vedantist, and pointed out certain flaws in his arguments/certain illogic in his conclusions drawn from experimental analysis. He may reply, let me wait and watch.
Rest holds fine, here.
Chillin' with music.
How're you?
Hugh---Joel dear, where are you?

Joel---Hi Hugh,

Hugh--- Greetings, Joel.

Joel---I was busy helping out in a Math camp for undergrads
held at a local college.

Hugh--- You should invite Frijoles to attend your classes in Maths.

Joel---The ex-Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC) scientist, who, some months ago, was helping me with certain topics in advanced Math (in my intensive preparation for the BARC national entrance exam leading to doctoral research) invited me to help him and a few other Math buffs with the Math camp for undergrads. It was fun teaching a few topics like combinatorics, vector analysis and solid geometry to the undergrads -

Hugh--- Sounds interesting

Joel---This aside, I used the time off to develop a new line of thinking that attempts to take a closer look at the origin of species using models comprising numerical and alphabetical information and relating that to mind-matter field and its calibrated manifestations - my logic has led me to conclude that both the yogic view as well as Darwinian evolution are plausible mechanisms and I have attempted a novel synthesis of both. More on this later....

Hugh--- I look forward to it.

Joel---I also corresponded with a leading Mind-Matter mainstream scientist, Dr Dean Radin, who happens to be an ex-Jew and a practicing Vedantist, and pointed out certain flaws in his arguments/certain illogic in his conclusions drawn from experimental analysis. He may reply, let me wait and watch.

Hugh--- Does he call himself an ex-Jew? If so ask him to explain the means by which he became an ex-Jew if he is a BIOLOGICAL Jew.

Ask him who are Israelites? Ask him if the word Jews is currently used in place of Israelites?

Joel---Rest holds fine, here. Chillin' with music.

Hugh-- Sounds good, to me.

Joel--How're you?

Hugh--- I am fine thank you. I am still battling with the forces of darkness but all is well on this front.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#61237 Oct 25, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Like the ordinary human need to sleep that I have overcome, I have also overcome the sex urge.
The total transformation of the sex instinct into its non-sexual counterpart is underway till the present on account of the spontaneous descents of the Yoga Force into me but what has been yogically achieved till now in my vital-mind and body are sufficient to draw me away from the sex urge and from nocturnal emissions and the like.
This yogic movement that I am experiencing to a certain minimal degree is a novel evolutionary movement that seeks to manifest higher faculties of the supramental kind in the fit individual and happens to rare individuals in history, while the other spiritual types that we read about in scriptures were content with visions, voices, sorcery, mass murdering opponents, egoism, megalomania, fanaticism, tribalism, cannibalism, human sacrifices, animal sacrifices, wars, dying for the sins of others, eating flesh/drinking blood as acts of transubstantiation, "resurrection" from the "dead" which is actually the cessation of an OBE, calls to convert, curses, abuses, acts of iconoclasm and teaching childish and savage mumbo jumbo to their brain-dead followers.
Transformation via supramentalization of the individual being leading to the manifestation of the supramental principle in mind, vital and body and the consequent emergence of the next species - the supramental being - beyond the mental being (man) is completely removed from the inferior scriptural spirituality and their attendant mindless rituals that is common to the religions of the world.
Anyway, relax.
What I had in mind was one way for you to achieve relaxation. I practice to relax regularly.

Since: May 13

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#61238 Oct 26, 2013
Eric wrote:
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I am pleased that you have devoted time to help your community.
I'd be more pleased if people closely follow the psycho-vital-physical laws of nature to produce superior human types that possess deep insight, compassion, lofty thinking and the capacity to tune in directly to the forces in and around them. This breed of superior human types would hardly face any problems in dealing with the difficulties of nature and being and would not be conned by fake cult beliefs, surface scientific teachings and religious mumbo jumbo.

Since: May 13

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#61239 Oct 26, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Hugh - You should invite Frijoles to attend your classes in Maths.
Frijoles is a fu-cking dunce with zero aptitude for Math, Science and Logic.

Pssssst, Frijoles can conduct classes on anal sex with handsome young boys and maybe you could attend his classes and gain some valuable tips.

ha ha ha

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#61240 Oct 26, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Hugh--- Does he call himself an ex-Jew? If so ask him to explain the means by which he became an ex-Jew if he is a BIOLOGICAL Jew.
Ask him who are Israelites? Ask him if the word Jews is currently used in place of Israelites?
Get rid of this flawed notion of fixed genotypes or of original eugenic Jews/Israelites.

There's nothing like that.

Gene codes and gene expression keep changing with inter-racial marriages and changing beliefs.

What happened to the previous gene pools of the Hebrew patriarchs when their forefathers and/or they themselves worshipped gods other than the Babylonian deity El?

The previous gene patterns of these people, who, after switching allegiance from their previous ancestral gods to El, got overlaid with new gene patterns due to inbreeding and common beliefs centered on El. European converts to Judaism also got absorbed into this mixed gene pool and passed them down to their progeny due to inbreeding.

Jews are drawn from every race and culture and where the Biblical Jews are concerned this much can be said - people from different ME races (gene pools) began worshipping El after discarding their ancestral gods and naturally after becoming El worshippers they also began marrying incestuously or among themselves down the generations and as a result have created a communal gene pool of mostly mixed genotypes and besides the excessive incest and abnormal beliefs and adverse blood ritualistic practices seen in this community of mixed racial genotypes have mutated their genes to a great extent giving rise to the very high incidence of mental illnesses and nerve disorders and homosexuality that we see among Jews.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#61243 Oct 26, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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So drone striking isn't a war move?.
What would happen if the Chinese did their drone striking in the US?
off topic. You were saying Obama was more of a war mongeror than other presidents. He didnt pioneer the program. SO your example doesnt support your assertion.

Veering off the topic, although I am generally supportive of the drone strikes, its also clear to me that the program is excessive. They should be used more judiciously. But I would much rather have a drone strike than having to pay and ship out troops.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#61244 Oct 26, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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I'd be more pleased if people closely follow the psycho-vital-physical laws of nature to produce superior human types that possess deep insight, compassion, lofty thinking and the capacity to tune in directly to the forces in and around them. This breed of superior human types would hardly face any problems in dealing with the difficulties of nature and being and would not be conned by fake cult beliefs, surface scientific teachings and religious mumbo jumbo.
It takes a rare tortured soul to turn from a compliment into gibberish such as that.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#61245 Oct 26, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Hugh--- Does he call himself an ex-Jew? If so ask him to explain the means by which he became an ex-Jew if he is a BIOLOGICAL Jew.
Ask him who are Israelites? Ask him if the word Jews is currently used in place of Israelites?
You carry around way too much hate in your head

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#61246 Oct 26, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
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I'm not sure why. Ratio of population to the number of people it takes to serve said population is a pretty good indicator of how efficient government is.
Not entirely. The world is a much more complicated place than ever before, and that increase in complication in turn requires more people to handle all of the new tasks that did not exist in the days of the Founding Fathers.

For example, how many computer programers were part of the Washington administration? How many air conditioning repairmen? And yet those are both functions that need to be filled within the government.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#61247 Oct 26, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Because not all govt services are needed by all people equally.
And some (EPA, for example) are needed by everyone equally, even those who do not appreciate the work they do.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#61248 Oct 26, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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So drone striking isn't a war move?.
What would happen if the Chinese did their drone striking in the US?
Depends on the reason. When some American Fenians raided across the border into Canada, the US gov't accepted responsibiblity for "allowing" them to commit an act of terrorism.

If an anti Chinese terrorist group was using the U.S. as a base for training and operations, and the P.R.C. launched a drone strike against that base, the U.S. would not have a lot of room to complain, especially if the P.R.C. had already tried to go through proper channels.

“Act Interdimensional ly”

Since: Jan 08

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#61249 Oct 26, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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...People have differing opinions regarding what should be essential...
That is the crux of the issue. The standard for what is considered "essential" is in dire need of reevaluation (in my opinion). The current standard is to look at any perceived problem and immediately exhort "The government needs to do something about _______!" If you accept the idea that the function of government is to provide an environment where the citizenry can prosper, not to ensure everyone does prosper then establishing courts, public safety, foreign relations are all proper functions of government. Engaging in the business of selling products and services is not.

I would suggest a new standard. Start with the baseline assumption that the government, any government, should not be providing services that can be /are being delivered efficiently by the private sector.

If there are inefficiencies in the distribution of services by the private sector THEN address that inefficiency. Either by providing incentive for more private service providers or by stepping in an providing that service by subcontract -- but only dealing with the inefficiency. In my opinion, government should not be in the business of commercial competition with the private sector.

“Act Interdimensional ly”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#61250 Oct 26, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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Not entirely. The world is a much more complicated place than ever before, and that increase in complication in turn requires more people to handle all of the new tasks that did not exist in the days of the Founding Fathers.
For example, how many computer programers were part of the Washington administration? How many air conditioning repairmen? And yet those are both functions that need to be filled within the government.
I don't disagree that the world is, in fact, more complicated. I also don't doubt there were many more buggy whip repairmen and butter churners in the Washington administration.

My question, and I don't believe there is an obvious answer. "Should there be computer programmers and air conditioning repairmen on the government payroll?" Or, could these services be better provided by contracting them from the private sector?

“Act Interdimensional ly”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#61251 Oct 26, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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And some (EPA, for example) are needed by everyone equally, even those who do not appreciate the work they do.
The EPA has done some very good work. Setting standards for air and water quality is a fine example.

Engaging in the creation of an artificial biofuels market that cost Billions and inadvertently sparked basic food shortages across the globe to provide a product that no one was looking for, probably not so much.

A department like the EPA is a good example of a function of government -- make sure people aren't throwing their garbage in the sea, land, or air. But, that needs to be the limit of their function. Set the standard, enforce that standard, rinse, repeat.
Eric

Glen Ellyn, IL

#61252 Oct 26, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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I'd be more pleased if people closely follow the psycho-vital-physical laws of nature to produce superior human types that possess deep insight, compassion, lofty thinking and the capacity to tune in directly to the forces in and around them. This breed of superior human types would hardly face any problems in dealing with the difficulties of nature and being and would not be conned by fake cult beliefs, surface scientific teachings and religious mumbo jumbo.
Reply: See what Frijoles says in http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/judaism/T...

Then remember how you were sequestered in your apartment with thoughts of suicide and that there were the few on this thread who suggested that you get out of your apartment, pull yourself up by your bootstraps (sandal straps?), and find a way to channel your knowledge for the betterment of your community. It seems like you did just that. I wished only to express my good wishes on your doing so.

“Act Interdimensional ly”

Since: Jan 08

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#61254 Oct 26, 2013
Eric wrote:
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Reply: See what Frijoles says in http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/judaism/T...
Then remember how you were sequestered in your apartment with thoughts of suicide and that there were the few on this thread who suggested that you get out of your apartment, pull yourself up by your bootstraps (sandal straps?), and find a way to channel your knowledge for the betterment of your community. It seems like you did just that. I wished only to express my good wishes on your doing so.
In my opinion, my more time he spends here -- sequestered from the community -- the better for the community.

By tempting Joel to spend his time online, Topix might have very well saved the lives of children and house pets in his community.

Since: May 13

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#61255 Oct 26, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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It takes a rare tortured soul to turn from a compliment into gibberish such as that.
You lack the minimal intelligence to appreciate the depth of that aim - which is a hope that by indulging in the right procreational practices humankind could rise to a superior eugenic gradation free from perversions and weaknesses.

Genetically stable and superior humans would hardly face any problems in facing the challenges of nature and being and would breeze through life making the right choices and through an opening of consciousness would come into direct contact with the play of the gross and subtle forces and know things in the omnijective way and in this way serve to create an evolutionary push in the human species.

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