Differences in driver's license bills...

Differences in driver's license bills could mean no change

There are 11 comments on the Carlsbad Current-Argus story from Mar 10, 2011, titled Differences in driver's license bills could mean no change. In it, Carlsbad Current-Argus reports that:

After a week of vitriolic debates, state legislators have approved two vastly different bills on driver's licenses for undocumented immigrants.

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Facts

Valley Stream, NY

#1 Mar 11, 2011
Read this whos to blame for our economy, its NOT the POOR MIGRANTS.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/market-crash...
I AM NOT SAYING DONT CLOSE THE BORDERS. I AM SAYING STOP THE HATE.

THE UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS ARE PAYING MORE TAXES THAN YOU THINK!
IMMIGRANTS AND TAXES:
Q:“Is it true that illegal immigrants don’t pay taxes and drain our economy?”
A: As Ben Franklin said,“Nothing is certain but death and taxes.” Like the rest of us, unauthorized immigrants pay taxes on their property and anything they buy. More than half of them have taxes taken out of their paychecks, but because our immigration system is dysfunctional, these taxes are paid under false Social Security numbers. We need a new regimen in which we know who is paying taxes and can ensure that no one is getting a free ride. The only way to do that is to pull unauthorized immigrants out of the shadows and get them on the right side of the law.
Three state-level studies have found that unauthorized immigrants pay more in taxes than they use in benefits. In Iowa, unauthorized immigrants pay an estimated $40 to $62 million in state taxes, while they and their employers contribute an additional $50 million to $77.8 million in federal, Social Security, and Medicare taxes from which they will never benefit. In Oregon, unauthorized immigrants—who are not eligible for any state benefits—pay between $134 million and $187 million in taxes each year. Finally, in Texas, the State Comptroller found that, without unauthorized residents, the gross state product in 2005 would have been $17.7 billion less.
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The economics of immigration, Stephen C. Goss, the chief actuary of the Social Security Administration and someone who enjoys bipartisan support for his straightforwardness, said that by 2007, the Social Security trust fund had received a net benefit of somewhere between $120 billion and $240 billion from unauthorized immigrants.
That represented an astounding 5.4 percent to 10.7 percent of the trust fund's total assets of $2.24 trillion that year. The cumulative contribution is surely higher now. Unauthorized immigrants paid a net contribution of $12 billion in 2007 alone, Goss said.
Previous estimates circulating publicly and in Congress had placed the annual contributions at roughly half of Goss's 2007 figure and listed the cumulative benefit on the order of $50 billion.
The Social Security trust fund faces a solvency crisis that would be even more pressing were it not for these payments.
Adding to the Social Security irony is that the restrictionists are mostly OLDER AND RETIRED WHITES from longtime American families. The very people, in other words, who benefit most from the Social Security payments by unauthorized immigrants.
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Comprehensive Immigration Reform Would Boost the Economy & Help ALL American Workers: As opposed to the mass deportation, enforcement-only approach, addressing and fixing the immigration system in a wholesale manner will be a boon to the U.S. economy and all U.S. workers. That is why both the AFL-CIO and Change to Win created The Labor Movement’s Joint Framework for Comprehensive Immigration Reform. Dr. Raúl Hinojosa-Ojeda conducted a 2010 report for the Center for American Progress and the Immigration Policy Center that found that “Unlike the current enforcement-only strategy, comprehensive reform would raise the ‘wage floor’ for the entire U.S. economy—to the benefit of both immigrant and native-born workers.” According to the study, granting legal status to undocumented immigrants and creating flexible legal limits on future immigration flows would generate enough consumer-spending to support 750,000-900,000 jobs. The report also found that the mass deportation approach would reduce GDP by 1.46 percent annually, amounting to a loss of $2.6 trillion over 10 years.
Zig_Zag

Las Cruces, NM

#4 Mar 11, 2011
Facts wrote:
THE UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS ARE PAYING MORE TAXES THAN YOU THINK!
Blah Blah Blah

The only Federal/State taxes they pay are when they buy beer & cigarettes.
Zig_Zag

Las Cruces, NM

#5 Mar 11, 2011
I forgot gasoline, so they can drive around in their 'fully insured' vehicles with their totally legal N.M. DLs.
Bedrock Bob

Santa Fe, NM

#6 Mar 11, 2011
Zig_Zag wrote:
I forgot gasoline, so they can drive around in their 'fully insured' vehicles with their totally legal N.M. DLs.
You forgot a lot of taxes. The only taxes that SOME of them avoid are wage witholdings. Americans are taxed in many creative ways and illegals simply cant avoid most of the taxes. And they do not enjoy many of the benefits that we do either despite the misinformation that they qualify for benefits that an American would not.


Zig_Zag

Las Cruces, NM

#7 Mar 11, 2011
Bedrock Bob wrote:
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You forgot a lot of taxes. The only taxes that SOME of them avoid are wage witholdings. Americans are taxed in many creative ways and illegals simply cant avoid most of the taxes. And they do not enjoy many of the benefits that we do either despite the misinformation that they qualify for benefits that an American would not.
One of the benefits they enjoy that Americans cannot is a BLATANT DISREGARD for the LAW.
XXXXX

Hobbs, NM

#8 Mar 11, 2011
Zig_Zag wrote:
I forgot gasoline, so they can drive around in their 'fully insured' vehicles with their totally legal N.M. DLs.
why are you so mad? is it because they have newer and better houses p.u.s and cars than you.? or beacuse they are 100% better workers than you?.
Zig_Zag

Las Cruces, NM

#9 Mar 11, 2011
XXXXX wrote:
<quoted text>why are you so mad? is it because they have newer and better houses p.u.s and cars than you.? or beacuse they are 100% better workers than you?.
Wow, pinche Johnny C.,you almost spelled all the words correctly, now work on your punctuation and capitalization.
Zig_Zag

Las Cruces, NM

#12 Mar 11, 2011
Bedrock Bob wrote:
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We can all blatantly disregard the law equally. Let's face it, our law enforcement is pretty lame. The illegals are getting by with a lot less than most Americans are.
I dont know where you are from but here in New Mexico the illegals are a very small problem compared to the natives. Especiall ythe elected officials. Bill Richardson's driver killed more New Mexicans than all the illegals combined in his tenure. And more police officers were arrested for violent crimes than illegals were in the last 2 years.
So while they are a problem lets get it all in persective here. We had a lot more illegals in 2006 and they were never even mentioned in the forums. Now we have much less and they are suddenly a major concern. It is just a diversion to keep us busy while the wheels of politics grind.
we have become very adept at dancing when our politicians play us a tune. You are doing a waltz, Rick Oshea is doing a jitterbug and Carey Nickle is doing a Fandango. I think Rush is the drummer and Hannity is playing base.
I live in Las Cruses NM where migrant criminals are a MAJOR problem, a few miles south of here is EL Paso Tx where the migrant criminals now outnumber the US citizens.

What fantasy world do YOU live in where---"more police officers were arrested for violent crimes than illegals were in the last 2 years"---"We had a lot more illegals in 2006"

One of the big problems is people like you with their heads buried in the sand, or choosing to 'look the other way' while our country is being inundated with an invading army of migrant criminals.
danny

Hobbs, NM

#13 Mar 11, 2011
Zig_Zag wrote:
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Wow, pinche Johnny C.,you almost spelled all the words correctly, now work on your punctuation and capitalization.
maybe johnny c. is listing to your;e B.S. and will answer you. you might have to get in line and wait. be shure to wear your;e short shorts. and he just might here you! hehehehaha.
I Believe

Goodyear, AZ

#14 Mar 11, 2011
XXXXX wrote:
<quoted text>why are you so mad? is it because they have newer and better houses p.u.s and cars than you.? or because they are 100% better workers than you?.
Try, because they are here illegally!!!! Come through the front door and sign the guest book!
cjj0442

AOL

#15 Mar 11, 2011
HOW ABSURED!
To give someone here, ILLEGALLY a drivers license!!! NO WAY, JOSE!!!
IF a person has a VISA, YES, Sure!! but, to give a license to an ILLEGAL, ya gotta be out of your Rabbit BUTT MINDS!!
The only thing you should give an ILLEGAL is a ONE WAY TICKET back to where he came from!

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