Nomads among us: the suburban homeless

Nomads among us: the suburban homeless

There are 119 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Mar 28, 2011, titled Nomads among us: the suburban homeless. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

The last time Nickolas Conrad had a home was 11 years ago. Since then, the 40-year-old has lived in halfway houses, in treatment centers, in prison and on people's couches.

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Publius

Minneapolis, MN

#108 Mar 30, 2011
independant wrote:
<quoted text>it is slowed way down from coming in but there are just too many avenues for it to come in to stop it completely. i could tell you a lot of different stories but this not the place to do that.

It would be a lot more interesting than most of the comments.
GLOCK

Buffalo, MN

#109 Mar 30, 2011
Just Saying wrote:
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Just because prisons and halfway houses don't have good treatment methods, doesn't mean this man's mother therefore must be the best qualified entity to take care of him. It only means that neither she, prisons or halfway houses are the best care options.
You don't seem to get it. Although I have limited "visual aides" available to explain this I will type slow because it seems you don't comprehend fast. It is about him and other parasites sucking this state dry. 11 yrs. in public funded residents when he has a mother that loves him so much??? These facilities are not cheap. He probaly has not missed a meal been without a roof over his head or not had good health care in all this time. Now we will give him social security so he can probaly buy a house while working people are lossing theres. It is about setting up these PARASITES to live beter then working people and attracting them from all the other ghettos in the country. Read this slow and hopefully with my other posts this may become clear as mud to you.
Just Saying

Saint Paul, MN

#110 Mar 31, 2011
GLOCK wrote:
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You don't seem to get it. Although I have limited "visual aides" available to explain this I will type slow because it seems you don't comprehend fast. It is about him and other parasites sucking this state dry. 11 yrs. in public funded residents when he has a mother that loves him so much??? These facilities are not cheap. He probaly has not missed a meal been without a roof over his head or not had good health care in all this time. Now we will give him social security so he can probaly buy a house while working people are lossing theres. It is about setting up these PARASITES to live beter then working people and attracting them from all the other ghettos in the country. Read this slow and hopefully with my other posts this may become clear as mud to you.
If you actually looked into where the state's (city's, county's, federal government's) tax money goes, you will find incontrovertible evidence that the money paid for this man's care and the care of others like him is squat. Human services is not where the big spending is. It gets singled out for attack in the minds of the average taxpayer simply because it's one of the few areas the average person can relate to and comprehend.
Just Saying

Saint Paul, MN

#111 Mar 31, 2011
GLOCK wrote:
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You don't seem to get it. Although I have limited "visual aides" available to explain this I will type slow because it seems you don't comprehend fast. It is about him and other parasites sucking this state dry. 11 yrs. in public funded residents when he has a mother that loves him so much???
Your statements suggest that you must believe that "love conquers all" and is the only thing anyone ever requires to manage any situation. Makes me curious why you've therefore chosen to put forth so much anger to the world...
On the Fence

Saint Cloud, MN

#112 Mar 31, 2011
Our system can work and is in this man. I don't believe he asked to be bi-polar and probably after many years with no diagnosis or a wrong diagnosis he has finally been diagnosed and given the proper meds he can go on to lead a normal life. It is too bad that it has taken so much of his life. He has been clean and sober for over a year without being incarcerated speaks volumes. Having a place to lay your head and get things figured out is huge, I would imagine for him. I agree, that we should be helping those in need instead of flying off to other countries. There are many, many that are abusing the system as I witnessed someone on disability for her back, shovel snow and push a car???? I'm not sure judging this man and others like him with disabilities/hardships is where we should be going with this. I, too, pay my taxes and give to charities but am happy to see someone change their life for the better because our system was able to help. I hope this man will not have to take the brunt of this article for many that are abusing the system. I wish there were an easy way to say who gets what and how do they qualify? The world is full of trickery and lazy but how do we know?
fed up

Minneapolis, MN

#113 Mar 31, 2011
dollars to doughnuts his sobriety is not voluntary
Sarah D

Saint Paul, MN

#114 Mar 31, 2011
Snoaway wrote:
I don't understand why this man should be allowed social security. He is forty years old, an addict for 11 years, his choice by the way, with only one year being sober. Of course he is going to be homeless. He is bi- polar so give him social security? What is his disability? He can still walk, use his arms, has his sight. If you can't afford medication you can get on a program to get your medication for free. Social security should be for 2 things, retired or disabled people. Not for someone who made bad choices in life. That is not fair. I'm sorry but I don't feel sorry for him. I feel sorry for the person who has to struggle every day with a REAL disability that goes to work every day because they can't get on social security disability. It's time to stop babying these addicts. If this guy worked he might not be homeless.
Read up on bi-polar mental illness and you'll have an answer to your question. Sufferers must be stabilized with medication before they can lead productive lives. Homelessness does not contribute to stabilization of the condition.

“Obamacs at it's finest!”

Since: Mar 09

Anytown, Minnesota........

#115 Apr 1, 2011
fed up wrote:
dollars to doughnuts his sobriety is not voluntary
it doesn't need to be , at first anyway. Hopefully once he gets a REAL dose of sobriety and all it's advantages it will become a way of life for him. Let's hope so , for everyone's sake, most of all, his own.
TheGolfGuy

Ocoee, FL

#116 Apr 1, 2011
GLOCK wrote:
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You don't seem to get it. Although I have limited "visual aides" available to explain this I will type slow because it seems you don't comprehend fast. It is about him and other parasites sucking this state dry. 11 yrs. in public funded residents when he has a mother that loves him so much??? These facilities are not cheap. He probaly has not missed a meal been without a roof over his head or not had good health care in all this time. Now we will give him social security so he can probaly buy a house while working people are lossing theres. It is about setting up these PARASITES to live beter then working people and attracting them from all the other ghettos in the country. Read this slow and hopefully with my other posts this may become clear as mud to you.
The person here who "doesn't get it" is you. You are trying to lump all homeless and alcoholic people together. He has been diagnosed as bi-polar, you apparently know nothing about this disease.

Bi-polar people have to take their meds every day, but the problem is when they are feeling good taking the right meds, some think that the meds are unnecessary, and quit taking them. It takes a strong person to continue on the drugs, usually after they have hit bottom, and lost everything.

For you to slam the mother, accusing her of shifting the responsibility to a halfway house is unconscionable. Read up on the subject, you are showing your ignorance more every post.
TheGolfGuy

Ocoee, FL

#118 Apr 1, 2011
Randy wrote:
bi-polar or not, why is it the tax payers burden?
"It is this foulest of creatures the double-parasite who lives on the sores of the poor and the blood of the rich"
yes, another disciple!
If the country doesn't care for their citizens, who will?
On the Fence

Saint Cloud, MN

#119 Apr 1, 2011
You can type as slow as you want, it still shows your ignorance. We need to take care of our people and our country. You sir, seem to be the one that does not comprehend and where is your compassion? Unless you have walked in his shoes or anyones elses for that matter you have no right to judge this person or his mother. You apparently have never suffered hardships or wondered where your next meal might be. And being sober is a choice he has to make everyday and maybe every minute of every day. There are a lot of places money should not be spent but programs like this and education should not be tossed aside as you would have it.
GLOCK wrote:
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You don't seem to get it. Although I have limited "visual aides" available to explain this I will type slow because it seems you don't comprehend fast. It is about him and other parasites sucking this state dry. 11 yrs. in public funded residents when he has a mother that loves him so much??? These facilities are not cheap. He probaly has not missed a meal been without a roof over his head or not had good health care in all this time. Now we will give him social security so he can probaly buy a house while working people are lossing theres. It is about setting up these PARASITES to live beter then working people and attracting them from all the other ghettos in the country. Read this slow and hopefully with my other posts this may become clear as mud to you.
Just Saying

Saint Paul, MN

#120 Apr 1, 2011
Randy wrote:
bi-polar or not, why is it the tax payers burden?
"It is this foulest of creatures the double-parasite who lives on the sores of the poor and the blood of the rich"
yes, another disciple!
Disciple of what? Of Cthulhu? What are you talking about???
fed up

Minneapolis, MN

#121 Apr 1, 2011
who is john galt?

if you want to spue garbage and insinuate someone is a disciple, you should know the premise.

let me guess, your lib prof used that line.
Randy

Minneapolis, MN

#122 Apr 1, 2011
Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it. Do not count on them. Leave them alone.
TheGolfGuy

Ocoee, FL

#123 Apr 1, 2011
Randy wrote:
Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it. Do not count on them. Leave them alone.
?
Sarah D

Saint Paul, MN

#124 Apr 3, 2011
Randy wrote:
bi-polar or not, why is it the tax payers burden?
"It is this foulest of creatures the double-parasite who lives on the sores of the poor and the blood of the rich"
yes, another disciple!
It is in society's interest to allow at least the basic needs (food, shelter, medicine) to be given to the mentally ill in order to at the least keep them from becoming a greater drain on society (ie by possibly becoming destructive to property and/or life), or at the most possibly becoming a PRODUCTIVE member of society.

I am giving you a money-related reason as that seems to be what you are most interested in.

I, myself would add that COMPASSION is another factor particularly if one belongs to a religion that considers compassion important.
monet

Conesa, Spain

#125 Apr 3, 2011
Census: MSP grows, but only on the edge; experts see trouble ahead

At first glance, the 2010 Census results seem satisfying and unremarkable. Only upon further review do they reveal unbalanced patterns of growth and wealth that spell trouble for Minneapolis-St. Paul as the metro economy tries to regain momentum.

The official count placed MSP's 13-county metro population at 3,278,833, up 10.4 percent from a decade ago. That was enough for the Twin Cities to retain its rank as the nation's 16th largest metro market. While the region grew 40 percent slower than during the go-go '90s, it still outpaced the 9.7 percent national rate, and it grew faster than all other Midwestern and Northeastern metros in the top 20.

That's the good news; now the bad. How the region grew should deeply trouble Minnesota's political, business and civic leaders. Virtually all growth was on the suburban edge, while the central cities and most inner suburbs lost both population and relative wealth. Not only did the cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul fail to gain population, they are now fully 30 percent poorer than the metro region as a whole.






That's not a healthy trend. Unless a more balanced growth pattern emerges, one that also includes the metro area's inner districts, and unless prosperity is shared more broadly, the MSP region will lag behind in competing for the young talent and high-quality jobs needed to keep pace as the economy recovers.

Imbalance hurts MSP's prospects
Here's how Bruce Katz, director of the Metropolitan Policy Program at the Brookings Institution in Washington, D.C., responded in an email:

"This is an unfortunate trend for a host of economic, fiscal, environmental and social reasons. Economic, because strong central cores enhance the ability of metros to attract and retain talented workers and innovative firms, yield real benefits associated with density and allow metros the reap the full returns on prior investments.

"Fiscal, because population (and job) dispersion across fragmented metro areas raise the cost of building and maintaining infrastructure and delivering basic services and lead to immense fiscal disparities (mitigated to some extent in MSP by tax sharing).

"Environmental, because population and job dispersion lengthen commutes, increase greenhouse gas emissions, and degrade land. In some metros, there are enormous issues associated with water scarcity.

"As for social, the dominant trend is the increasing suburbanization of poverty which presents enormous challenges for the delivery of social programs and resources given low capacity and high demand in changing communities."

In other words, MSP, despite its stellar reputation for metropolitan planning, is growing in ways that are inefficient, unsustainable and noncompetitive.

No 'doughnut effect' in Denver, Seattle or Portland
Urban geographers sometimes refer to what may be happening to MSP as the doughnut effect, meaning the strengthening of the periphery at the expense of a core that's hollowing out. It's a sequence associated with economic decline, seen most dramatically over the last several decades in older Rust Belt cities like Detroit, Pittsburgh and Cleveland.
Oh Dear

Circle Pines, MN

#126 Apr 3, 2011
Wow! To those of you posting such negative comments and name calling (i.e., parasites), shame on you! Have you walked in their shoes? Do you know anything about these people? It is easy for those who have been fortunate in life (i.e., not having to deal with bipolar disease) to stand in judgment of those who have not.
monet

Ireland

#127 Apr 3, 2011
Republicans have shown that they HAVE no hearts - it's all about the almighty dollar with the right wingers.

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