Accused calf killer seeks probation

There are 24 comments on the Connecticut Post story from Aug 12, 2008, titled Accused calf killer seeks probation. In it, Connecticut Post reports that:

A Harwinton man is seeking special probation for a modern form of cattle rustling.

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Big Eddy

Peekskill, NY

#1 Aug 12, 2008
Along with a special form of probation, Mr. Mariani should be fined $5,000 to make it the most expensive meal he ever ate. It isn't nice to steal and butcher someone else's living animal.
bad MOOOOO_VE

Succasunna, NJ

#2 Aug 12, 2008
What a slime bag.Too cheap to buy a steak at Shaw's? If they give this filth probation,they are nuts.This was a cruel brutal act.He deserves to be locked up,like the animal he is
MA in CT

Port Chester, NY

#3 Aug 12, 2008
Animal cruelty and theft. Maximum jail time, lifetime probation and that $5000.00 fine sounds good too.
Justice for the animals

Shelton, CT

#4 Aug 12, 2008
bad MOOOOO_VE wrote:
What a slime bag.Too cheap to buy a steak at Shaw's? If they give this filth probation,they are nuts.This was a cruel brutal act.He deserves to be locked up,like the animal he is
Calves DON'T kill and eat people so don't compare animals with people. These crimes are committed by the human species, not animals.

This creep needs maximum punishment not probation, what a freak. He will go on to hurt people if he is capable of hurting animals without any conscience. A DANGER TO SOCIETY.
Justice for the animals

Shelton, CT

#5 Aug 12, 2008
...and NO, I DON'T EAT ANIMALS.
Jack Meahoff

Succasunna, NJ

#7 Aug 12, 2008
Justice for the animals wrote:
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Calves DON'T kill and eat people so don't compare animals with people. These crimes are committed by the human species, not animals.
This creep needs maximum punishment not probation, what a freak. He will go on to hurt people if he is capable of hurting animals without any conscience. A DANGER TO SOCIETY.
Don't get your panties in a twist.You seem more upset that the writer referred to this creep as an "animal",than the horrific act that was done.This vermin should be locked away for his sick depraved behavior,for sure.Probation should not even be considered.Don't eat meat? Fine,that is your choice.Own any leather products?
seriously

Fairfield, CT

#8 Aug 12, 2008
ok, seriously folks? this guy cut up a cow. There are people who beat innocent little kids up on the streets, there are drug dealers on the streets, there are people who do a LOT WORSE THINGS, and they are on the streets. maybe, just maybe, some of our negative engery projected at some guy who killed a cow, could maybe be re-directed to something, oh, MUCH MORE IMPORTANT?
seriously_ an idiot

Succasunna, NJ

#9 Aug 12, 2008
Just a cow? I like beef as much as anyone,but I wouldn't have the stomach to do such a thing.He might not be the worst criminal out there,but don't downplay his sick act.Cruelty to animals often leads to cruelty directed at humans.Better he goes to jail-where he will RECEIVE some of his own medicine....
Jessie

Providence, RI

#11 Aug 13, 2008
Justice for the animals wrote:
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Calves DON'T kill and eat people so don't compare animals with people. These crimes are committed by the human species, not animals.
This creep needs maximum punishment not probation, what a freak. He will go on to hurt people if he is capable of hurting animals without any conscience. A DANGER TO SOCIETY.
Mr. Mariani is a man of conscience and an ethical hunter. Hunting was legal the last time I checked you bleeding heart wussies. Ultimately, his name will be cleared in this terrible accident. His attorney's defense will help settle this situation in the Harwinton community. Mariani is actually a warm hearted person who also loves animals and has his own charitable foundation. So, let's not judge too harshly. This seems like a very complicated case.
Pleasure Beach Lover

Chesterfield, MO

#12 Aug 13, 2008
http://www.topix.com/forum/source/connecticut...

Where are all you animal lovers when I need you???

Check out the bickering on the topic above.
Jessie

Providence, RI

#13 Aug 13, 2008
MA in CT wrote:
Animal cruelty and theft. Maximum jail time, lifetime probation and that }$5000.00 fine sounds good too.
WE should withhold judgment on Mr. Mariani's case until the court date. In what appears to be a complicated grisly accident, let's remember that Mr. Mariani is an upstanding resident of the Harwinton community , and a responsible family man. He has the right to hunt, but perhaps this was some kind of accident??Even accelerated rehab sounds a bit harsh.
There's a lot of nasty slander and rumors circulating that are patently ludicrous. Also, some of these news articles are inaccurate, and misleading.
Jessie

Providence, RI

#14 Aug 13, 2008
Justice for the animals wrote:
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Calves DON'T kill and eat people so don't compare animals with people. These crimes are committed by the human species, not animals.
This creep needs maximum punishment not probation, what a freak. He will go on to hurt people if he is capable of hurting animals without any conscience. A DANGER TO SOCIETY.
a DANGER TO SOCIETY? ARE YOU IDIOTIC; MARIANI STARTED HIS OWN CHARITY FOR MENTALLY CHALLENGED PEOPLE. THE MAN IS A MENSCH.
Pleasure Beach Lover

Chesterfield, MO

#15 Aug 14, 2008
Jessie wrote:
<quoted text> a DANGER TO SOCIETY? ARE YOU IDIOTIC; MARIANI STARTED HIS OWN CHARITY FOR MENTALLY CHALLENGED PEOPLE. THE MAN IS A MENSCH.
He may be all the things you say he is. My brother is a great guy too, and he likes to hunt. The thing I don't understand about hunting is this: what kind of pleasure can you get from killing a beautiful creature?
Concerned citizen

Princeton, NJ

#16 Aug 14, 2008
Although I acknowledge that this case has not yet been tried, and there may be circumstances that were not reported in this article [also see more details in the Bristol Press, http://www.zwire.com/site/index.cfm... ], I make the following comments based on what has been reported as fact: Mr. Mariani is an individual who has demonstrated a history of disregard for animal life and welfare - evidenced by his killing geese and trapping coyotes by fish hook - as well as for other people's property and the law. He made a deliberate, premeditated decision to slaughter Mr. Audet's calf, trespassing on Mr. Camps' property to do so, and then tried to cover up his crime by disposing of evidence and lying. I would hope that accelerated rehabilitation is intended for those first offenders who have committed a crime due to an error in judgment which they sincerely regret, and who have a reasonable likelihood of not committing similar crimes in the future. It is not apparent to me that Mr. Mariani fits these criteria, regardless of whether this was his first criminal offence, and I hope Judge Marano will take the same view. Mr. Mariani deserves jail time for what he did, and having the current crime expunged from his record would be doing a great disservice to the citizens of this state should he commit animal cruelty or kill another animal in the future.
In response to others' comments above:
To seriously: Sure, there are "worse" crimes committed every day than "just" cutting up a cow, but that doesn't mean we should ignore this violation of the law. If I walked into your house, busted up your TV and stole your stereo, I think you'd be upset too - regardless of the issue of an animal's life being taken
To Jessie: I am not familiar with hunting laws in CT, but if trapping coyotes by baiting large fish hooks with goose heads, hunting on other people's property, or shooting other people's livestock is legal and ethical, I think the legislature should be taking another look at those laws. And while Mr. Mariani may well be an upstanding resident, a family man, and have a charitable foundation, if he has indeed committed this crime he should be expected to pay the consequences. As I stated at the start of my comment, I realize I may not have all the facts, but based on what has been reported I don't have much sympathy for Mr. Mariani.
Pleasure Beach Lover

Chesterfield, MO

#17 Aug 14, 2008
Perhaps the charitable foundation is
a tax loophole.
Concern for mob concern

Providence, RI

#18 Aug 15, 2008
Concerned citizen wrote:
Although I acknowledge that this case has not yet been tried, and there may be circumstances that were not reported in this article [also see more details in the Bristol Press, http://www.zwire.com/site/index.cfm... ], I make the following comments based on what has been reported as fact: Mr. Mariani is an individual who has demonstrated a history of disregard for animal life and welfare - evidenced by his killing geese and trapping coyotes by fish hook - as well as for other people's property and the law. He made a deliberate, premeditated decision to slaughter Mr. Audet's calf, trespassing on Mr. Camps' property to do so, and then tried to cover up his crime by disposing of evidence and lying. I would hope that accelerated rehabilitation is intended for those first offenders who have committed a crime due to an error in judgment which they sincerely regret, and who have a reasonable likelihood of not committing similar crimes in the future. It is not apparent to me that Mr. Mariani fits these criteria, regardless of whether this was his first criminal offence, and I hope Judge Marano will take the same view. Mr. Mariani deserves jail time for what he did, and having the current crime expunged from his record would be doing a great disservice to the citizens of this state should he commit animal cruelty or kill another animal in the future.
In response to others' comments above:
To seriously: Sure, there are "worse" crimes committed every day than "just" cutting up a cow, but that doesn't mean we should ignore this violation of the law. If I walked into your house, busted up your TV and stole your stereo, I think you'd be upset too - regardless of the issue of an animal's life being taken
To Jessie: I am not familiar with hunting laws in CT, but if trapping coyotes by baiting large fish hooks with goose heads, hunting on other people's property, or shooting other people's livestock is legal and ethical, I think the legislature should be taking another look at those laws. And while Mr. Mariani may well be an upstanding resident, a family man, and have a charitable foundation, if he has indeed committed this crime he should be expected to pay the consequences. As I stated at the start of my comment, I realize I may not have all the facts, but based on what has been reported I don't have much sympathy for Mr. Mariani.
Whether it be a police officer, a lawyer, a farmer, a car salesman or a so-called concerned citizen, in all cases public opinion and allegations are meaningless within the legal strictures and processes of a court of law. In the courtroom, the case of Mr. Mariani will be objectively examined and evidence will be of primary impact.
Various articles have distorted, and abused already hazy allegations. I know Mr. Mariani. He doesn't hunt cows PERIOD.If anything, it's an accident; although a rather unfortunate one.One stupid cow is not worth destroying this man's good name and the peace of mind of his friends and family.Apparently the state is failing to find sufficient evidence.
Also, let's be clear and not too sentimental about this case. Mob opinions are largely based on emotion, which can lead to dim-witted judgements in the public sphere. Mariani is unique individual who perhaps might be a tad unorthodox as a hunter, but he definitely hunts within th bounds of gaming rules. He was granted permission to hunt on the other man's property, and whether or not he intentionally hunted down a calf will be decided in the courtroom.Let's at least give this family man a chance to defend himself. Yes,sympathy would be fair and a very Christian thing to do(Harwinton and Litchfield County being a very religious community).Haven't we all been in situations where we have been unjustly accused or not given the benefit of the doubt???
Hunter

Madison, CT

#19 Aug 15, 2008
Jessie wrote:
<quoted text>Mr. Mariani is a man of conscience and an ethical hunter. Hunting was legal the last time I checked you bleeding heart wussies.
I wouldn't consider him an ethical hunter. He allegedly killed an animal on someone else's property. If this was a wild, and not domestic, animal, it would be considered poaching!

If any of you can be fair and open-minded, you will understand that hunting is not a sport. It's a tradition, and a means of survival.

Some of you may prefer to get your chicken and steak all wrapped up nice at the grocery store. But let me tell you those animals suffered violently. They had 0 quality of a life, confined to pens and cages their whole lives. In the end they were electrocuted, hung, and/or beat in the head several times until their death. This is inhumane, and no create should suffer like this.

Hunting is different. Through hunting, man has evolved over time. It's called the food chain and survival of the fittest. Animals kill each other for food every day. Humans have always been part of this system.

Hunting puts an animal to its rest almost immediately. They tend to suffer less than they would during a brutal attack by another animal. And they always suffer less than if they were killed in a "slaughter" house.

So you can defame those who choose to hunt for their food all you want. But it's hypocritical to think you're superior to us when you buy your meat and other animal products. Hunting is a human tradition, but you're supporting corporate cruelty to animals. Think about that next time you're at Stop & Shop or eating at McDonalds.
Pleasure Beach Lover

Chesterfield, MO

#20 Aug 19, 2008
Hunter wrote:
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I wouldn't consider him an ethical hunter. He allegedly killed an animal on someone else's property. If this was a wild, and not domestic, animal, it would be considered poaching!
If any of you can be fair and open-minded, you will understand that hunting is not a sport. It's a tradition, and a means of survival.
Some of you may prefer to get your chicken and steak all wrapped up nice at the grocery store. But let me tell you those animals suffered violently. They had 0 quality of a life, confined to pens and cages their whole lives. In the end they were electrocuted, hung, and/or beat in the head several times until their death. This is inhumane, and no create should suffer like this.
Hunting is different. Through hunting, man has evolved over time. It's called the food chain and survival of the fittest. Animals kill each other for food every day. Humans have always been part of this system.
Hunting puts an animal to its rest almost immediately. They tend to suffer less than they would during a brutal attack by another animal. And they always suffer less than if they were killed in a "slaughter" house.
So you can defame those who choose to hunt for their food all you want. But it's hypocritical to think you're superior to us when you buy your meat and other animal products. Hunting is a human tradition, but you're supporting corporate cruelty to animals. Think about that next time you're at Stop & Shop or eating at McDonalds.
My sister is friends a close family relative of his. According to her, he's NUTS!
Concern for mob concern

Providence, RI

#21 Aug 19, 2008
Pleasure Beach Lover wrote:
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He may be all the things you say he is. My brother is a great guy too, and he likes to hunt. The thing I don't understand about hunting is this: what kind of pleasure can you get from killing a beautiful creature?
To be a alive is to be a killer. From the ants you unintentionally squashed while walking to tour car to our complicity in the meat trade, everyone of kills. Life requires killing; survival demands it. Don't sentimentalize the tough conditions of organic life, but take it for what it is.
Pleasure Beach Lover

Chesterfield, MO

#22 Aug 20, 2008
Concern for mob concern wrote:
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To be a alive is to be a killer. From the ants you unintentionally squashed while walking to tour car to our complicity in the meat trade, everyone of kills. Life requires killing; survival demands it. Don't sentimentalize the tough conditions of organic life, but take it for what it is.
Maybe you missed my point. My point is that I don't understand the excitement or rush that one would feel in hunting down and killing an innocent animal.
I definitely COULD understand that kind of rush if we were talking about a rapist or murderer though.

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