Taking issue with 'Lord'

[Tricia]

I really think this 80 year old man who is so offended by any mention of the lord should really "chill out". Aren't there more important things he could be doing to help humanity than this nonsense. I may call him lord, you may call him something else...who cares...it's all the same in the end.

[Matthew1033]

"But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven." Matthew 10:33

[PDupont]

Sarah C wrote:

If God is removed from American society then no one has to follow ten simple rules. All of man's laws grew out of God's Laws. Remove God, remove all laws.

No Sarah, there were always laws against things like murder and theft. Additionaly outside of theft and murder none of the prohibitions in the Ten Commandments are violations of law.

[PDupont]

I'm going to quote Jeb Bartlett the best President we never had when questioned about the "Red Mass" celebrated at the start of every Supreme Court Session. "Yeah, but who really cares". My sentiment exactly.

[anon]

PDupont wrote:

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No Sarah, there were always laws against things like murder and theft. Additionaly outside of theft and murder none of the prohibitions in the Ten Commandments are violations of law.

I don't know.... I kinda like the provisions for stoning children who sass back at their parents. Well... at least for those who believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible. It would clear up the over-population problems in some fundamentalist families real quick!

[Jim]

The dollar bill isn't managed by the state. The Federal Reserve is a consortium of private banks and can put whatever they want on money.

[missy]

Here's an interesting read: http://www.answers.com/topic/anno-domini
Anno Domini is sometimes referred to as the Common Era, Christian Era or Current Era (abbreviated as C.E. or CE). CE is often preferred by those who desire a term ostensibly unrelated to Christian conceptions of time. For example, Cunningham and Starr (1998) write that "B.C.E./C.E.... do not presuppose faith in Christ and hence are more appropriate for interfaith dialog than the conventional B.C./A.D."

[cbb]

missy wrote:

Here's an interesting read: http://www.answers.com/topic/anno-domini
Anno Domini is sometimes referred to as the Common Era, Christian Era or Current Era (abbreviated as C.E. or CE). CE is often preferred by those who desire a term ostensibly unrelated to Christian conceptions of time. For example, Cunningham and Starr (1998) write that "B.C.E./C.E.... do not presuppose faith in Christ and hence are more appropriate for interfaith dialog than the conventional B.C./A.D."

Good Lord, where will it end?

[Chet]

Jim wrote:

The dollar bill isn't managed by the state. The Federal Reserve is a consortium of private banks and can put whatever they want on money.

Wrong. The Fed neither designs nor prints our money.

The Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP), a government agency within the United States Department of the Treasury, designs and prints the United States' paper currency.

[Another Reader 1]

Matthew1033 wrote:

"But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven." Matthew 10:33

If we don't 'believe' in him, we're not going to face 'him' after death you moron. Just because you believe doesn't mean your 'final' picture is the only one. There are a multitude of faiths and they should all be respected. Quoting non-believers a passage in your bible means nothing as we don't follow your religion.

[Katie]

Derp wrote:

It gives the simple minded the impression that the world didn't exist until 2000 years ago. Current scientific evidence suggest that the earth and the solar system are about 4.6 billion years old.

I can honestly say that no Christian/Jewish/Buddist/Musli m person that I know thinks the world didn't exist until 2000 years ago. Sweetie get your facts straight we (Christians) believe that Jesus DIED 2000 years ago. HUGE difference.

[agreed]

IRA -Pittsfield wrote:

If you look in the Yellow pages its filled with either real estate agents or lawyers. This is just another hammer trying to chip away at the fabric of our country.I,d give this jew a one way ticket to live in germany and see how he likes it. There is an old saying "don,t let the door hit you in the A__ on the way out".The very fact that theres a break-down in our religious beliefs in this country is the reason for our loacl,state and national disrespect for oue another, crime and drugs.

amen

[who cares]

I used to be a catholic all my life first 20yrs as i got older and learned more about all the different books that were put in the bible were chosen were picked and alot thrown away or hidden dead sea scrolls etc. most of it is lies buy man you don't pick and choose what goes in a book because u agree with it im glad for all the knowledge that is out there now nobody has the right to pick in choose because they like it better well I like that there was someone before eve should of put her in there.

[sgreen]

Sarah C wrote:

If God is removed from American society then no one has to follow ten simple rules. All of man's laws grew out of God's Laws. Remove God, remove all laws.

God IS in American society and most people DON'T follow the ten simple rules.

THE ARTICLE AND COMMENTS ARE ABOUT REMOVING RELIGION FROM GOVERNMENT (AS INTENDED BY THE FRAMERS AND UNDERSTOOD BY MOST AMERICANS), NOT ABOUT REMOVING GOD FROM SOCIETY.

[sgreen]

IRA -Pittsfield wrote:

If you look in the Yellow pages its filled with either real estate agents or lawyers. This is just another hammer trying to chip away at the fabric of our country.I,d give this jew a one way ticket to live in germany and see how he likes it. There is an old saying "don,t let the door hit you in the A__ on the way out".The very fact that theres a break-down in our religious beliefs in this country is the reason for our loacl,state and national disrespect for oue another, crime and drugs.

Anti-semite.

[Retired Guy]

One hardly knows where to start or if it's even worth the effort with some of ignorant comments made by others. IRA-Pittsfield offers some classic anti-Semitic language and then goes on to complain about "loacl [sic], state and national disrespect for oue [sic] another...".
This is not a Christian, Jewish, Muslim or whatever issue. It is a question of language in offical documents, which is exclusionary vs. inclusionary, and unnecessary. It is not the word "Lord" by itself but the entire phrase "in the year of our Lord", meaning the Common Era or as more commonly used, A.D. that's the issue. In that phrase the term "Lord" means Jesus Christ. For those who are Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, broad-minded liberal, moderate and conservative Christians, or whatever, this term is clearly exclusionary. The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court recognized this many years ago by dropping the use of the phrase in its official documents and decisions. Many, but not all, Massachusetts Superior and District Courts followed the SJC's lead and merely use the date. The federal government uses just the date. Last I looked, Berkshire Superior Court still used "in the year of our Lord" in many of its official forms. IRA-Pittsfield's reference to "real estate agents or lawyers" in the Yellow Pages is bewildering, and I will leave it to his therapist to figure out. His implication that those of us who want all Americans to feel welcome in an inclusive society, are somehow Un-American shows his ignorance. His anonymous attack on a Jewish person-especially a Holocaust Survivor-saying that he should go live in Germany, or anywhere else for that matter, because of a difference of opinion is, ironically, Un-American. Would he cite the person's religion or make such an offensive remark about about moving to a country which is responsible for the Shoah, if the person who started this legislative process were a Christian, agnostic or atheist, or if his religion were never mentioned? I think not. Looks and smells to me like classic Anti-Semitism by IRA-Pittsfield.
As to the legislators who seemingly don't get it and who shot from the "lip" on this issue, they need to do their homework and do the right and mature thing. This is NOT an attack on religion or any particular religion, nor an attack by any particular religion on another.

[Another Reader 1]

sgreen wrote:

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God IS in American society and most people DON'T follow the ten simple rules.
THE ARTICLE AND COMMENTS ARE ABOUT REMOVING RELIGION FROM GOVERNMENT (AS INTENDED BY THE FRAMERS AND UNDERSTOOD BY MOST AMERICANS), NOT ABOUT REMOVING GOD FROM SOCIETY.

The hell 'he' is! There are plenty of American's who do not believe that creed and they are just a lawful as the best of us. Doing the right thing is not exclusive of Christian's!

[Another Reader 1]

Retired Guy wrote:

One hardly knows where to start or if it's even worth the effort with some of ignorant comments made by others. IRA-Pittsfield offers some classic anti-Semitic language and then goes on to complain about "loacl [sic], state and national disrespect for oue [sic] another...".
This is not a Christian, Jewish, Muslim or whatever issue. It is a question of language in offical documents, which is exclusionary vs. inclusionary, and unnecessary. It is not the word "Lord" by itself but the entire phrase "in the year of our Lord", meaning the Common Era or as more commonly used, A.D. that's the issue. In that phrase the term "Lord" means Jesus Christ. For those who are Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, broad-minded liberal, moderate and conservative Christians, or whatever, this term is clearly exclusionary. The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court recognized this many years ago by dropping the use of the phrase in its official documents and decisions. Many, but not all, Massachusetts Superior and District Courts followed the SJC's lead and merely use the date. The federal government uses just the date. Last I looked, Berkshire Superior Court still used "in the year of our Lord" in many of its official forms. IRA-Pittsfield's reference to "real estate agents or lawyers" in the Yellow Pages is bewildering, and I will leave it to his therapist to figure out. His implication that those of us who want all Americans to feel welcome in an inclusive society, are somehow Un-American shows his ignorance. His anonymous attack on a Jewish person-especially a Holocaust Survivor-saying that he should go live in Germany, or anywhere else for that matter, because of a difference of opinion is, ironically, Un-American. Would he cite the person's religion or make such an offensive remark about about moving to a country which is responsible for the Shoah, if the person who started this legislative process were a Christian, agnostic or atheist, or if his religion were never mentioned? I think not. Looks and smells to me like classic Anti-Semitism by IRA-Pittsfield.
As to the legislators who seemingly don't get it and who shot from the "lip" on this issue, they need to do their homework and do the right and mature thing. This is NOT an attack on religion or any particular religion, nor an attack by any particular religion on another.

Nicely put.

[God Bless]

Old Boy on Back Porch wrote:

I concur with Denis Guyer regarding dominating archaic phrases in our legal documents. It seems to agree with the ancient,( known as B.S,) Belief System,“ Thou Shalt Not Take The Name of the Lord in Vain (or vein, sp.?)
Have you listened to Contemporary Radio or watched Cable TV?
The Berk.Eagle (no relation to me) quoted
[ Denis thus: State Rep. Denis Guyer, D-Dalton, said he doubts his constituents would support such a change.
"I didn't even know there was such a bill. Why do we want to do that? Would we have to reprint all our documents?"
[ State Rep. Denis Guyer, D-Dalton, doubts his constituents would support such a change.
"I didn't even know there was such a bill. Why do we want to do that? Would we have to reprint all our documents?" Guyer asked. "It goes along the same line as having 'God' on our money. I think a majority of Americans support that and I think if you asked people in my district they would say it doesn't bother them. I don't think it's necessary."]
I agree. Example: West Point ( I was too dumb to enter on a scholastic or appointment, and too short and round for an athletic opening ( I played two starting years right guard, line breaker, for Ol’d Dalton High) with a Doormat “WELCOME” across the Blue and White chest-gear when I graduated with a black and blue traditional undergarb of line men.. Tradition is the foundation which great rules build on.
I don’t care for labeling men or women, boxing a fellow American in a corner. I suggest my long life exposes me to understanding Americans turn out to be the greatest of Human Beings, by sharing, not scaring our neighbors, that those today called “Homies” should be Neighbor Homeland Builders no matter what Church, Temple, or Muslim or body, where inside we carry worship and LOVE of and for neighbors.
The Higher the Power the taller stands the beacons of promise for a better life about us all.
If you must, I suggest I am a Gnostic. You may know this, by seeing, not by reading words on paper, while inside my poor old heart, I build a Bill Board ( Pardon Eagle, I meant Headline), of the story I carry.
Open Eyes and Ears, read, with open mind ‘the good that man doth do’. Speak and share, just don’t yap too much ( The curse of the Irish Heritage, being so proud and all, ya’ know
When the Ruling, the early British Colonist understood the Irish coming into Boston and New York could speak a second Language,‘ English’, Hibernians were given prominent jobs, as police, firemen, builders and racketeers).
Therefore, leave well enough alone, adjust to your world with a Godly Heart, flowing with your great LOVE and it will diminish the insane Hate smoldering in the fields about us.
Bob Bunt Burke, Leesburg, Fl
www.bobbuntburke.com .

AMEN!!!!

[Progressive]

As much as I would like to see this bill pass, I would bet it will die in a committee somwere,Should religous terms be removed from all legal and gov. things? You bet it should and the churches who play politics should pay taxes.