Suspect Shot By Police In West Haven

Suspect Shot By Police In West Haven

There are 100 comments on the Hartford Courant story from Nov 8, 2007, titled Suspect Shot By Police In West Haven. In it, Hartford Courant reports that:

A criminal suspect who was shot by police while struggling with an officer on Union Avenue Wednesday evening is in serious but stable condition, state police said.

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Mr Common Sense

United States

#1 Nov 8, 2007
No police officer wants to shoot anyone until all other options have been exhausted. Assuming this is a clean shoot (I hate to assume, but it appears to be) I am glad that police in Hartford, Wethersfield, and West Haven have all recently shot offdenders. Now before anyone gets offended,let me clarify- in a society of laws and morals people need to learn how to obey the law and act properly. If a cop says stop, you stop, end of discussion. If you do not, there will be consequences one way or another. The recent shootings are telling people that they are not above the law, we live in a society where there are rules,and if you break them there will be consequences to actions which you brought upon yourself. Now, notice how my post communicates clear information with having to resort to vulgarities, a tantrum, or improper grammar or use of the English language.
TCMots

United States

#2 Nov 8, 2007
Is this reporter on the same planet as the witnesses interviewed on TV last night? Each witness said that the unmarked car rammed the rear of Walker's SUV. When Walker got out to check the damage and shouted at them, a shot rang out from their car striking Walker. Both witnesses said there was no shouted identification as police from the unmarked car. From this article it appears that Walker was shot in the back as well.

Someone's got some 'splainin' to do, Lucy.....
Anthony

Newington, CT

#3 Nov 8, 2007
TCMots wrote:
Is this reporter on the same planet as the witnesses interviewed on TV last night? Each witness said that the unmarked car rammed the rear of Walker's SUV. When Walker got out to check the damage and shouted at them, a shot rang out from their car striking Walker. Both witnesses said there was no shouted identification as police from the unmarked car. From this article it appears that Walker was shot in the back as well.
Someone's got some 'splainin' to do, Lucy.....
Really??
If that's the case, then I hope we get more information soon...
John B

Greenfield, MA

#5 Nov 8, 2007
TCMots wrote:
Is this reporter on the same planet as the witnesses interviewed on TV last night? Each witness said that the unmarked car rammed the rear of Walker's SUV. When Walker got out to check the damage and shouted at them, a shot rang out from their car striking Walker. Both witnesses said there was no shouted identification as police from the unmarked car. From this article it appears that Walker was shot in the back as well.
Someone's got some 'splainin' to do, Lucy.....
There will be lots more to come, but in my experience ... and it is extensive, witnesses at or around the scene of a shooting, that may or may not be a "clean one", are not always credible.

Let CSP sort it out.
good job

South Windsor, CT

#6 Nov 8, 2007
Mr Common Sense wrote:
No police officer wants to shoot anyone until all other options have been exhausted. Assuming this is a clean shoot (I hate to assume, but it appears to be) I am glad that police in Hartford, Wethersfield, and West Haven have all recently shot offdenders. Now before anyone gets offended,let me clarify- in a society of laws and morals people need to learn how to obey the law and act properly. If a cop says stop, you stop, end of discussion. If you do not, there will be consequences one way or another. The recent shootings are telling people that they are not above the law, we live in a society where there are rules,and if you break them there will be consequences to actions which you brought upon yourself. Now, notice how my post communicates clear information with having to resort to vulgarities, a tantrum, or improper grammar or use of the English language.
I totally agree with this post, couldn't say it any better! Although we know this won't put a stop to crime, we do need tougher sentencing (like Singapore)!!!
Flounder

South Windsor, CT

#7 Nov 8, 2007
Mr Common Sense wrote:
No police officer wants to shoot anyone until all other options have been exhausted. Assuming this is a clean shoot (I hate to assume, but it appears to be) I am glad that police in Hartford, Wethersfield, and West Haven have all recently shot offdenders. Now before anyone gets offended,let me clarify- in a society of laws and morals people need to learn how to obey the law and act properly. If a cop says stop, you stop, end of discussion. If you do not, there will be consequences one way or another. The recent shootings are telling people that they are not above the law, we live in a society where there are rules,and if you break them there will be consequences to actions which you brought upon yourself. Now, notice how my post communicates clear information with having to resort to vulgarities, a tantrum, or improper grammar or use of the English language.
How about the cops who fire dozens of shots at suspects, are you sure it was the last thing they wanted to do? Seems they could avoid the overkill and assess the situation after a few shots, if they didn't prefer a dead witness to a disabled one anyway.

I'm not sure why this appears to be a 'clean shoot' to you. As another poster said, this story isn't in line with the TV reports last night, and this suspect was shot in the back. I think it'd be prudent to reserve judgement for now, though you can count on the cops making it look justified no matter what. If they're like most cops, they'd have no problem telling a few lies to cover their a**es.

It's funny you say shooting people is a good way to remind folks that they're not above the law, when this is exactly the view so many in 'law enforcement' have themselves. I'd wager you'd find far more with that attitude in this vocation than in any other. If the same laws aren't applied to them, to me that's a mild form of tyranny.

I hope this shooting was justified, but it sounds a bit sketchy so far. In the end, it will be the west haven taxpayers who take the hit for this if/when the suspect files suit.
Mr Common Sense

United States

#8 Nov 8, 2007
Flounder wrote:
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I'm not sure why this appears to be a 'clean shoot' to you. As another poster said, this story isn't in line with the TV reports last night, and this suspect was shot in the back. I think it'd be prudent to reserve judgement for now, though you can count on the cops making it look justified no matter what. If they're like most cops, they'd have no problem telling a few lies to cover their a**es.
It's funny you say shooting people is a good way to remind folks that they're not above the law, when this is exactly the view so many in 'law enforcement' have themselves. I'd wager you'd find far more with that attitude in this vocation than in any other. If the same laws aren't applied to them, to me that's a mild form of tyranny.
I hope this shooting was justified, but it sounds a bit sketchy so far. In the end, it will be the west haven taxpayers who take the hit for this if/when the suspect files suit.
When I said it appears to be a clean shoot (not that it is, but appears to be), that was based solely upon reading the article. That is why it appeared to be clean. Yes, another poster provided other information. However, open your mind and think for a second; did I or anyone who wrote anyting before that poster see their comments? Of course not. So, how could I give an opinion based upon something I have not read?
Ironically, you are the one who say to reserve judgment, then basically accuse all police of being killers. That is prejudicial, hypocritical, and ignorant. Do not get into a battle of reason and logic with me. You may be able to rant or rave, but based upon merit you will lose. He who screams loudest is not right, just loud.
rickbee

Hartford, CT

#9 Nov 8, 2007
Shot in the back does not sound good-where's the "rest of the story"?
Paul

Fall River, MA

#10 Nov 8, 2007
Why dont we let the investigation take place before pointing the finger of blame. None of us were there. We all know how bad the courant writes.
Just Me II

South Yarmouth, MA

#11 Nov 8, 2007
Paul wrote:
Why dont we let the investigation take place before pointing the finger of blame. None of us were there. We all know how bad the courant writes.
We all know how bad the posters are on the Topix Forum. That's because all of the intelligent comments are automatically removed by the politically-correct censors, once the smart-alecks are identified.

I went thru Waste Haven once,... never again. New Haven is worse. Congratulations on the re-election of your Green Monster Mayor. How bad can things get? Pretty bad. Mr. C.S.: Thanks for checking in, copper. Counting your pension benefits, are ye? We got your number.

Oh, I almost forgot:'Staven is a "Sundown Town." Don't tell anybody! Can U say Sargeant Floodquist? If you're from New Haven, you know who I'm talin''bout. The deep south got nothin' on 21st C. N.E.
Tired of the Fat Cats

Beverly, MA

#14 Nov 8, 2007
rickbee wrote:
Shot in the back does not sound good-where's the "rest of the story"?
A Criminal who was running .... shot in the back sure sounds claen to me ... maybe next time he'll stop
Dee

Greenwich, CT

#15 Nov 8, 2007
Being shoot in the back is another thing. But why can't officers in law practice shooting in legs to stop the accused (Why kill or hurt when u don't have to).. I believe that some officers just need not to be officers.
Dee

Greenwich, CT

#16 Nov 8, 2007
A Criminal who was running .... shot in the back sure sounds claen to me ... maybe next time he'll stop.

Well it don't sound clean to me. Shooting at someone in the back isn't the correct way to stop a person,( i am sorry to say) like i said what about the legs? That will sure stop anyone why take a life away when u don't have to.
Rose

AOL

#17 Nov 10, 2007
I read the story and seen the news. Officer Brian Bogert, whose weapon discharged during the struggle, has been assigned to administrative duties pending the conclusion of the investigation, state police said. Bogert is a 5-year veteran of the West Haven Police Department.

Officers encountered Walker and tried taking him into custody, state police said.

Walker, who was seated in a car parked in the drive way of the residence, struggled with a police officer, state police said. The officer's service weapon discharged a single round during the struggle, state police said.

Ok tell me how did this officers weapon discharge. Was it not in the holster? Where it should have been. If so the cop would have shot his foot. The weapon was out. And for what reason? So this means everytime a WEST HAVEN Cop encounters a struggle it means time to shot someone in the back? I find this so unbelievable. These cops make RENO 911 look like a serious show. I am so ashamed to be from West Haven after hearing this. And its not the first time they shot someone in the back. I was brought up that on a coward shoots someone in the back. Did they ever thing Het maybe a Tazer gun to stun someone if they are that bad. NO right away the guns are drawn. There are other ways to handle someone. They always resort to excessive force. It must be a qualification to be a West Haven Cop you must be able to shoot someone in the back on a whim!

Now the officer is on desk duty. I hope the victum sues West Haven. Such as another victim is after being shot in the back. Thank God this man did not have a child in the car.

As I said there are other ways to handle someone that maybe struggling. Shakes my head in amazement.

Pretty soon all West Haven residents will be wearing bullet proof vests as they will fear the police.
Rose

AOL

#18 Nov 10, 2007
Please excuse all the typo's I am so aggravated over all this.
John B

Greenfield, MA

#19 Nov 13, 2007
Rose wrote:
Please excuse all the typo's I am so aggravated over all this.
The typos are the least of your problems Rose.

Nothing .... nothing, goes down the way it is reported by the newspapers, especially the Courant, and is reported by eye-witnesses, most of whom are friendly, or in business with, the 'victim'.

On a narcotics raid officers always approach the house or takedown site with weapons drawn. The reson for this is that over the years too many policemen and women have lost their lives not being ready for a return fire from drug factory operators and their friends.

If Mr. Victim had nothing to do with the operation, or anything else like an outstanding warrant or a weapon in his car or just a bad temper,, why did he "struggle" causing his being shot?

When a police officer with a gun in his hand says "stop!" - get on the ground" -- you stop and get on the ground. If you've done nothing, nothing will happen.

Rose, you need to do a ride-along.
eric

Arpin, WI

#20 Nov 13, 2007
Typical liberal,,oh the poor victum,,fire the man doing his job.
eric

Arpin, WI

#21 Nov 13, 2007
John B wrote:
<quoted text>
The typos are the least of your problems Rose.
Nothing .... nothing, goes down the way it is reported by the newspapers, especially the Courant, and is reported by eye-witnesses, most of whom are friendly, or in business with, the 'victim'.
On a narcotics raid officers always approach the house or takedown site with weapons drawn. The reson for this is that over the years too many policemen and women have lost their lives not being ready for a return fire from drug factory operators and their friends.
If Mr. Victim had nothing to do with the operation, or anything else like an outstanding warrant or a weapon in his car or just a bad temper,, why did he "struggle" causing his being shot?
When a police officer with a gun in his hand says "stop!" - get on the ground" -- you stop and get on the ground. If you've done nothing, nothing will happen.
Rose, you need to do a ride-along.
Thank You, my point exactly! no one but the two of them knew what happened,but who has more credibility, a criminal with a record ( if he has one) and of course hes running,so what is the cop supposed to think,,,,,,or the policeman doing his job.
Mother of Reason

Bloomfield, CT

#22 Nov 13, 2007
Rose wrote:
I read the story and seen the news. Officer Brian Bogert, whose weapon discharged during the struggle, has been assigned to administrative duties pending the conclusion of the investigation, state police said. Bogert is a 5-year veteran of the West Haven Police Department.
Officers encountered Walker and tried taking him into custody, state police said.
Walker, who was seated in a car parked in the drive way of the residence, struggled with a police officer, state police said. The officer's service weapon discharged a single round during the struggle, state police said.
Ok tell me how did this officers weapon discharge. Was it not in the holster? Where it should have been. If so the cop would have shot his foot. The weapon was out. And for what reason? So this means everytime a WEST HAVEN Cop encounters a struggle it means time to shot someone in the back? I find this so unbelievable. These cops make RENO 911 look like a serious show. I am so ashamed to be from West Haven after hearing this. And its not the first time they shot someone in the back. I was brought up that on a coward shoots someone in the back. Did they ever thing Het maybe a Tazer gun to stun someone if they are that bad. NO right away the guns are drawn. There are other ways to handle someone. They always resort to excessive force. It must be a qualification to be a West Haven Cop you must be able to shoot someone in the back on a whim!
Now the officer is on desk duty. I hope the victum sues West Haven. Such as another victim is after being shot in the back. Thank God this man did not have a child in the car.
As I said there are other ways to handle someone that maybe struggling. Shakes my head in amazement.
Pretty soon all West Haven residents will be wearing bullet proof vests as they will fear the police.
Ok so Rose... did you ever think that maybe it was the perpetrator who could have possibly grabbed the cops gun in the stuggle?(I don't know if this happened but couldn't it???)
and perhaps the cops had to try to get his hands off this gun by getting his hands behind his back and then the gun went off? No you probably didn't think it could happen that way. I love the people who say...why not shoot him in the legs, well because the criminal could have a GUN in HIS hands...what good would shooting him in the legs do for him. Perhaps OFC.Brian Aselton (may he rest in peace) would be around today if he had the chance to shoot the criminal who shot HIM in the face instead!
It is ALWAYS amazing to me how people, who have never been put in harms way of being a victim, can second guess these guys at every turn.
And as far a being ashamed of being from West Haven...perhaps West haven Police should be ashamed of having to defend people like you who jump to judgement so quickly. I say they should all just quit the force and let all you people defend yourselves when something happens to you.
Rose

AOL

#23 Nov 18, 2007
Did I ever think it was the perpetrator that grabbed the gun? No I didn't as this seems to be a pattern with the West Haven Police dept. thats why its under investigation. You say you love people like me. There should be more people like me that are not afraid to speak what they feel. Its a free world and you are entitled to your opinion such as I am entitled. If this upsets you so much then don't post. I agree to a certain extent with you. Why do these officers not try using there hands and strength like they are trained. Then if that doesn't work Tazer. If they are going to shoot someone what about shooting in the lower leg.

You show your itelligence when you say when something happens to me they should all quit the force and basically let me handle it. What a nice person you are. I am the Mother of 4 and a survivor of Cancer. I believe there are other ways to handle things rather than pulling a gun out as the first resort.

I know Joseph Palermo. You are not getting the full story. You get what the police tell the reporters and then its printed. Many of the charges you seen in the paper were dropped. But they never print that. Also it was proven he never had anything on him. He has been harrassed continuously for years by the West Haven police. They were looking to find a way I believe to just shoot him and possibly end his life.

As his lawyer stated in the paper No one should ever shoot an unarmed man! He was scared and he ran. He had no weapons. Had the officer ran after him and tackled him this could have ended without Joey being shot. There were other police officers there. There was no need for him to be shoot. Had he had something as I said he would have been shot in the chest. But no he was shot dead straight in the back. He is a human being. He is someone's son.

How would you feel if this was your son? I don't ask you to agree with me. I think shooting him was something that should have never happened. There were other ways to handle this. Also while he laid on the ground bleeding and paralyized he was kicked and beat up. Does this sound like a decent officer? This is why West Haven and this officeer is being sued. And as I said I hope that he ends up getting everything and more that he is asking for.

This has been absoluetly horrible. Justice needs to be served. This cop needs to be accountable. This is not the first time he has been in trouble for excessive force.

When I say I am shamed to be from West Haven I am with these loose cannons shooting like they are!!

Rosalie Esposito
Mother of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok so Rose... did you ever think that maybe it was the perpetrator who could have possibly grabbed the cops gun in the stuggle?(I don't know if this happened but couldn't it???)
and perhaps the cops had to try to get his hands off this gun by getting his hands behind his back and then the gun went off? No you probably didn't think it could happen that way. I love the people who say...why not shoot him in the legs, well because the criminal could have a GUN in HIS hands...what good would shooting him in the legs do for him. Perhaps OFC.Brian Aselton (may he rest in peace) would be around today if he had the chance to shoot the criminal who shot HIM in the face instead!
It is ALWAYS amazing to me how people, who have never been put in harms way of being a victim, can second guess these guys at every turn.
And as far a being ashamed of being from West Haven...perhaps West haven Police should be ashamed of having to defend people like you who jump to judgement so quickly. I say they should all just quit the force and let all you people defend yourselves when something happens to you.

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