Southerners looking to share their Co...

Southerners looking to share their Confederate holiday

There are 669 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Mar 21, 2009, titled Southerners looking to share their Confederate holiday. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

In a cultural war that has pitted Old South against new, defenders of the Confederate legacy have opened a fresh front in their campaign to polish an image tarnished, they said, by people who do not respect Southern values.

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Palmetto Partisan

United States

#1 Mar 21, 2009
With such a lack of knowledge about American history, I'm surprised Representative Brooks is even a legislator. The Confederate States of America never wanted to "overthrow the US government". These Southern states simply seceded from the Union (legally, and by articles set forth in the Constitution by it's authors) and formed their own new nation. Our new nation was instead attacked by Abraham Lincoln's military in an attempt to FORCE the Southern states to disband the CSA and return to the Union AGAINST THEIR WILLS. You see, the CSA never wanted to "take-over" the Yankee nation, we just wanted to be left alone to govern our own new nation.
Unfortunately, the BIG problem with that was that the tariffs taht the US government levied on the agricultural Southern states was where the LARGEST part of the $money$ came from to fund the US treasury the industrial development in the northern states . Without the money the US collected from tariffs on the Southern states' agricultural exports, there would have been hardly any money for the treasury. So US President Lincoln acted to "preserve the Union", as he called it. You see, even back then, it was all about money.
Believe me, if the north had never waged war on the South to "preserve the Union", there would still be two great American Nations today, the United States of America and the Confederate States of America, as it was from 1860 through 1864. The Southern states never wanted to take over Lincoln's government, they only wanted their independence to govern themselves. The same way their Grandfathers wanted and won their independence from England.
Calvin Johnson

Marietta, GA

#2 Mar 21, 2009
Thank you for your fair and balanced article.

The victors write the history and the South lost a war but the Heritage of Dixie has won the hearts of many worldwide.

Check out: http:confederateheritagemonth. com and http:confederatehistorymonth.c om to find information about Confederate History Month that takes place in April.

I am Chairman of the National and Georgia Division Confederate History Month Committee for the Sons of Confederate Veterans
www.scv.org
spicegal

Chester, VA

#3 Mar 21, 2009
First of all, the Confederates were traitors responsible for trying to rip this country apart. Secondly, they lost. They need to just get over it in a big way. Now, they're trying to screw up the country again with their "plantation mentality", represented by the Republican Party, where the only place they have a stronghold is in the Godforsaken south. Yes, those Republican strongholds, where most Americans would prefer NOT to live. They have the highest divorce rates, highest teenage pregnancy rates, highest high school drop out rates, highest poverty, etc.
Scy

Camarillo, CA

#5 Mar 21, 2009
Ah yes. Only the South would celebrate slavery. Can we just go ahead and let the South secede?
KansasGirl

Lees Summit, MO

#6 Mar 21, 2009
State Rep Tyrone Brooks says the South is holding onto the past? What is he saying? We are the only country on the face of this earth that has decried slavery. I've been called a honky, peckerwood, whitey and cracker. But of course I'm suppose to blindly take it. This man needs to embrace America, not constantly look for it's faults. Of course, it's not going to happen.
34th ga

Flowery Branch, GA

#7 Mar 21, 2009
after reading some of these comments we need to start teaching history again in goverment schools.
my ancesters were anglo-saxon enslaved by the romsns--maybe i should boycott a pizza hut--
Ohio Rebel

Hudson, OH

#8 Mar 21, 2009
I see nothing wrong with premoting the Southern History it is part of are Countrys Heratige just like the Rebellion of 1776 aginst the British Crown. We have a very Rich Heritage & History and many Brave men & woman who fought and died for what we all belive in the good old USA the time your start to TEAR IT DOWN you DESTROY are Countrys grate Heritage & History just becuse you wish to change it to suit others you have lost all we have FOUGHT & DIED FOR TO KEEP US FREE.
EXCEPT ARE HISTORY FOR WHAT IT IS AND MOVE ON NOT CHANGING A THING. BE PROUD TO BE AMERICANS NO MATTER WHAT YOUR RACE OR RELIGION.KEEP AMERICA GRATE.
Jessica James

Orrtanna, PA

#9 Mar 21, 2009
I wanted to write and commend the reporter for a balanced article that, unfortunately, shows the prevailing lack of knowledge of the majority of Americans concerning their own history. The pitiful ignorance exhibited by State Rep. Tyrone Brooks is especially revealing – and troubling – but certainly not surprising.

One must wonder if it is merely short-sightedness or an appalling act of discrimination that would lead an elected official to spew such misleading and disingenuous rhetoric as in the quote:“The majority of the American people will not accept these ideas about a renegade group of folks who decided they would overthrow the U.S. government.” Truly, that statement is so historically inaccurate, so disgraceful and utterly shameful as to boggle the mind of any educated, patriotic American.

Could it be that Rep. Brooks and others like him are afraid of educating the masses about true Confederate history, resulting in dispelling the old notions that they themselves have come to accept as fact? Principles such as courage, honor, and duty to God and country are certainly foreign and unfamiliar to those who pay lip service to diversity and non-discriminatory practices on one hand, then seek to outlaw, ban and prohibit any sign of another’s heritage on the other.

It is indeed ironic, that those who disparage the culture and traditions of the South, like Rep. Brooks, are truly those most in need of its lessons. One need not look far into the annals of Confederate history to find a man known throughout the world as one of the noblest and purest men in history – General Robert E. Lee – an officer whose traits of integrity, honor, moral character, humility and courage, are surely worth emulating – not vilifying.

I urge you, therefore, Rep. Brooks to not only vote in favor of Confederate History Month, but to take an active role in learning the true history of your country. At the very least, it would prevent you from making embarrassing and disappointing statements in the future, and might stop those of us who are wondering why you think educating your constituents about their history is a bad thing.

Take away a nation's heritage and they are more easily persuaded." --- Karl Marx
Justin

Chicago, IL

#10 Mar 21, 2009
Original title: White Power and Slavery Celebration Day.

But, then they decided to use code words about 'Confederate heritage'
Jimmy L Shirley Jr

Boynton Beach, FL

#13 Mar 21, 2009
First of all, spicegirl, traitors they were not. Treason means they would have tried to take over the government in D.C. and this was not their aim at all. And as far as ripping apart this country, well did you ever consider this is exactly what our Founding Fathers did? They ripped apart the British Empire with their rebellion, and they WERE traitors, because they HAD sworn allegiance to the Crown, whereas no one prior to the mid to late 1860's had sworn allegiance to the United States excepting those in military service. Everyone else? Their allegiance was, in fact, to their respective States, whether it be Maine, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Florida, Tennesse, etc. The greatest general this nation has produced, General Robert E. Lee, resigned his commission in the U.S. Army so that he would be free to follow his conscience after being offered the command of all U.S. forces with which to invade his homeland, Virginia. Therefore, no treason was committed, which would have been had he taken part in Virginia's invasion.

Also, they were hardly solely responsible for "trying to rip this country apart" as you so indelicately put it. From the very beginnings, some attempts had been made to secede from this "Union of Sovereign States". New England twice made noises involving secession. Once after the acqusition of the Louisiana Territory from France. And again DURING the War of 1812. And this time they went so far as to convene in Harford, Connecticut for the purpose of seceding and asking Great Britain for terms of peaceand of asking Britain to take them back. This WAS TREASON. Tis was well known after he war. Yet, were the ringleaders rounded up and hung as traitors? NO! Why? Because they were viewed as benevolently misguided because we had won that war. The ringleaders sank into irrelevance, a harsh enough punishment. They made more noises again when Texas and Florida became States of this Union of States. Yet, a mere 15 years later, when the Southern States actually did secede, those self-righteous, hypocritical, amnesiac yankees fell all over themselves bewailing and bemoaning the break-up of the very Union they themselves had threatened secession from.
CHICAGO

United States

#14 Mar 21, 2009
The only problem with groups like this that pursue "water under the bridge" history is what they could morph into. I don't want someday having another group asking for me to reimburse them for something or another regading their ancestors.

Since: Mar 09

United States

#15 Mar 21, 2009
KansasGirl wrote:
State Rep Tyrone Brooks says the South is holding onto the past? What is he saying? We are the only country on the face of this earth that has decried slavery..
"We are the only country on the face of this earth that has decried slavery"??? Are oyu out of your mind? Virtually every country in the world had given up slavery, and the US was one of the last to do it, and Lincoln had to smash a slaveholder's rebellion in order to achieve that.

The war was about slavery. That's what the south stood for, and that's why they were whipped.
Jimmy The Greek

New Britain, CT

#16 Mar 21, 2009
vlakitti wrote:
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"We are the only country on the face of this earth that has decried slavery"??? Are oyu out of your mind? Virtually every country in the world had given up slavery, and the US was one of the last to do it, and Lincoln had to smash a slaveholder's rebellion in order to achieve that.
The war was about slavery. That's what the south stood for, and that's why they were whipped.
(1) The biggest slavers in the Western Hemisphere were The Spanish and Portuguese. Hence, Cuba didn't end slavery until 1886; Brazil until 1888. Slavery was invented in Africa (by blacks) and still goes on there today.

http://www.slaveryinamerica.org/geography/sla...

(2) Lincoln's only motive was to preserve the Union. He cared nothing about blacks and proposed shipping them back to Africa after the war.
J in KC

United States

#17 Mar 21, 2009
spicegal wrote:
First of all, the Confederates were traitors responsible for trying to rip this country apart. Secondly, they lost. They need to just get over it in a big way. Now, they're trying to screw up the country again with their "plantation mentality", represented by the Republican Party, where the only place they have a stronghold is in the Godforsaken south. Yes, those Republican strongholds, where most Americans would prefer NOT to live. They have the highest divorce rates, highest teenage pregnancy rates, highest high school drop out rates, highest poverty, etc.
Of course, the Yankee north is free of poverty, ignorance, failed school systems, dysfunctional families. Chicago, or course, was the home of Al Capone and remains a stronghold of American street gang activity today. Minorities live on plantations of welfare they will never escape. Much of this is thanks to the policies of pointy-headed do-gooder liberals who, in Illinois, have entrenched themselves in the nation's most corrupt political system.

I'm a Chicago native who got the hell out and who will never come back...and there needs to be another conflict to separate free America from its c*mm*e-liberal nanny state enslavers. Let's boogie.
J in KC

United States

#18 Mar 21, 2009
spicegal wrote:
First of all, the Confederates were traitors responsible for trying to rip this country apart. Secondly, they lost. They need to just get over it in a big way. Now, they're trying to screw up the country again with their "plantation mentality", represented by the Republican Party, where the only place they have a stronghold is in the Godforsaken south. Yes, those Republican strongholds, where most Americans would prefer NOT to live. They have the highest divorce rates, highest teenage pregnancy rates, highest high school drop out rates, highest poverty, etc.
Of course, the Yankee north is free of poverty, ignorance, failed school systems, dysfunctional families and mouth-breathing human trash. Chicago, or course, was the home of Al Capone and remains a stronghold of American street gang activity today. Minorities live on plantations of welfare they will never escape. Much of this is thanks to the policies of pointy-headed do-gooder liberals who, in Illinois, have entrenched themselves in the nation's most corrupt political system.

I'm a Chicago native who got the hell out and who will never come back...and there needs to be another conflict to separate free America from its c*mm*e-liberal nanny state enslavers. Let's boogie.
kathy

Oswego, IL

#19 Mar 21, 2009
Bravo to the posters here who actually exhibited a knowledge of history & not indoctrinated viewpoints. I wish I could have learned these earlier; instead, I had to wait to college to learn anything different. Also, I lived in FL for 8 years. Not once did either of my kids learn about Confederate history (instead, they were taught they were all bad plantation managers who whipped blacks). But, oh, we got plenty, and I mean plenty, of Black history and Jewish this, Jewish that, Latino whatever.
Jimmy L Shirley Jr

Boynton Beach, FL

#21 Mar 21, 2009
vlakitti wrote:
<quoted text>
"We are the only country on the face of this earth that has decried slavery"??? Are oyu out of your mind? Virtually every country in the world had given up slavery, and the US was one of the last to do it, and Lincoln had to smash a slaveholder's rebellion in order to achieve that.
The war was about slavery. That's what the south stood for, and that's why they were whipped.
So, was WWII about the Jews? Then what about WWI, Korea, Vietnam, Gulf War I & II? Were these all about just one word? Simple people must always have simple answers.
Lysander Spooner (1808-1887) was one of the leading abolitionists of his day. He wrote and excellent book called NO TREASON in 1867. In the introduction, he makes this statement: "The question of treason is distinct from that of slavery; and is the same that it would have been, if free States, instead of slave States, had seceded.
On the part of the North, the war was carried on, not to liberate slaves, but by a government that had always perverted and violated the Constitution, to keep the slaves in bondage; and was still willing to do so, if the slaveholders could be thereby induced to stay in the Union.
The principle, on which the war was waged by the North, was simply this: That men may rightfully be compelled to submit to, and support, a government that they do not want; and that resistance, on their part, makes them traitors and criminals.
No principle, that is possible to be named, can be more self-evidently false than this; or more self-evidently fatal to all political freedom. Yet it triumphed in the field, and is now assumed to be established. If it really be established, the number of slaves, instead of having been diminished by the war, has been greatly increased; for a man, thus subjected to a government that he does not want, is a slave. And there is no difference, in principle --- but only in degree --- between political and chattel slavery. The former, no less than the latter, denies a man's ownership of himself and the products of his labor; and [*iv] asserts that other men may own him, and dispose of him and his property, for their uses, and at their pleasure.
Previous to the war, there were some grounds for saying that --- in theory, at least, if not in practice --- our government was a free one; that it rested on consent. But nothing of that kind can be said now, if the principle on which the war was carried on by the North, is irrevocably established.
If that principle be not the principle of the Constitution, the fact should be known. If it be the principle of the Constitution, the Constitution itself should be at once overthrown.
So, vlakitti and anyone else so disposed, try and argue with a leading abolitionist who was there and fully understood what was at stake. The full book can be found at http://www.lysanderspooner.org/notreason.htm
Ozark Ex-Pat

Park Ridge, IL

#22 Mar 21, 2009
"Southern Values"? What would those be? Extreme tolerance, and even promotion, of all brands of racism and sexism and homophobia? Or maybe the less lethal ones like polished, hypocritical "manners" which actually veil put-downs, code words and condescension? Or is it the underfunding of schools all across the south? And comparing Black History Month to Confederate History Month? Well, one celebrates one of God's beautiful races and the other celebrates a society that wanted to maintain their immoral society which could only be maintained by enslaving other human beings.
stan

United States

#23 Mar 21, 2009
I often wish the south had won. Could you imagine how much more advanced our society would be without them?
Chris

United States

#24 Mar 21, 2009
war between the states?

Oh, they must mean the CIVIL WAR.

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