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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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JOEL

Mumbai, India

#48411 Feb 3, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Yes it was quoted directly - I was mocking Hughbe. Google it.
Oh yeah, Papa.

1 Corinthians 13:11:

"When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me."

I guess it's Paul speaking.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#48412 Feb 3, 2013
That should be....

My personal TRAINER is working on developing my abs so that the lean look is accentuated.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#48413 Feb 3, 2013
JOEL wrote:
That should be....
My personal TRAINER is working on developing my abs so that the lean look is accentuated.
How do you keep yourself from imbibing the vibes of all the people who use the machines before you?
Frijoles

United States

#48414 Feb 3, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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My personal is working on developing my abs so that the lean look is accentuated.
Some callisthenics, too.
Work on your legs too. There is nothing less appealing than a gym rat with a well muscled upper body and skinny legs.

Such an animal (and there are many in the gyms I go to) wouldn't last 10 minutes in the outdoors.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#48415 Feb 3, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>

Yes it was quoted directly - I was mocking Hughbe. Google it.
I wonder how Paul would respond to something like this:

1) "Child is father of man."

Or,

2) "A child gives birth to a mother."

(smiles)

I want to stay far away from these Master-disciple relationships that usually end up in disaster even if the Master happens to be a true Prophet or Saint.

These Master-disciple and/or Archetypal Being-sage relationships look great on paper and are exaggerated by the authors of books but when it comes to brass tacks - the actual relationship in all its nitty gritty - it's more about limitation, delusion, subservience, suffering and life-threatening moments than constituting a stream of great inner experiences gradually leading to self-realization and perfection.

The Master or the Archetypal Being are limited in consciousness-energy which they seek to impose on those who genuflect before them. They connect with you in consciousness and energy - a tie that's so solid that in most ways it cannot be severed. I know from personal experience....

I am still recovering from the serious damage to mind and body from entering too deep into such a relationship that opened me up to the subtler ranges of cosmic consciousness and energy to quite an extent but the sufferings/dangers to life were real, constant and unbearable and during these emergencies the Master and/or the Being remains aloof on most occasions.

The yoga experiences are continuing in me in a spontaneous way though I have cut all ties with my Master.

I need to recover from the damage fully...
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#48416 Feb 3, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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How do you keep yourself from imbibing the vibes of all the people who use the machines before you?
Hardly anyone uses the gym. Most are too lazy to work up a sweat and prefer a brisk walk or a slow jog on the adjacent jogging track surrounding the garden in my residential block.

I wipe clean all the equipment and erase any residual forces of other users by directing at the equipment a strong yogic force that usually works in minutes and I can see and feel the process involving the dissolving of the forces of others left behind on the machine.

The lucky part is that among the few regulars who make use of the gym in our apartment block none radiates a perverse force field and most are very pleasant to talk/interact with and in this way I am safe to a large extent.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#48417 Feb 3, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Work on your legs too.

There is nothing less appealing than a gym rat with a well muscled upper body and skinny legs.

Such an animal (and there are many in the gyms I go to) wouldn't last 10 minutes in the outdoors.
I am working on my legs as well using light weights, sit ups and cycling.

Thank you.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#48418 Feb 3, 2013
I'm going to the poolside of the Taj to relax and catch up with small talk with friends who're at present in the Sea Lounge since an hour or so. Bye.
Clear

United States

#48419 Feb 3, 2013
JOEL wrote:
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I am working on my legs as well using light weights, sit ups and cycling.
Thank you.
Bodily exercise profits little.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#48421 Feb 3, 2013
Clear wrote:
<quoted text>
Bodily exercise profits little.
Who called that exercise?
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#48422 Feb 3, 2013
JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>
"When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways..."
- Book of Homer
Is this adapted from the NT? Is it really so?
rabbee: that won't change the fact, that i have always been TheG-D Child, here on earth as it is in HEAVEN. and as always TheChild of G-D, my responsibilities and burdens are forever much heavier than any of yours. and it is far more difficult for any grandchild of G-D, to enter into TheKingdom as an adult. which they have never truly been, seen as grown ups. where all have given up their wisdom for errant knowledge.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#48423 Feb 3, 2013
JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>
"When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways..."
- Book of Homer
Is this adapted from the NT? Is it really so?
rabbee: there is no point, in being an adult. when it is merely an excuse, to commit adultry against G-D. as all sins are, adultry against G-D. for even one sin, violates all the commands of G-D.
former res

Broomall, PA

#48424 Feb 3, 2013
Is the whole Family Frijoles going to a sports bar to watch the big game?!

:))

The wife is making wings and Mexican layer dip.

But in fairess to me, that counts as dinner too!

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#48425 Feb 3, 2013
former res wrote:
Is the whole Family Frijoles going to a sports bar to watch the big game?!
:))
The wife is making wings and Mexican layer dip.
But in fairess to me, that counts as dinner too!
Nah. I dont even know who the second team is. I did get a whiff that the 49ers were involved.

I bought an acoustic guitar yesterday on impulse and I think I will spend the afternoon figuring out how to play it.

Wings- mmm. Tomorrow I have a business lunch date at a burger bar and I cant wait. Havent had real red meat in weeks.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#48426 Feb 3, 2013
former res wrote:
Is the whole Family Frijoles going to a sports bar to watch the big game?!
:))
The wife is making wings and Mexican layer dip.
But in fairess to me, that counts as dinner too!
We made hamentashens this morning.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamantash
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#48427 Feb 3, 2013
Clear wrote:
<quoted text>

Bodily exercise profits little.
Oh, so you believe in cultivating the emotions and mind, while neglecting the body.

That's escapism and non-holism - a lopsided development.

The origin of mind, emotions and matter is a unified field and so all these states of existence - the mental, emotional and physical - are inter-connected and as such affect each other.

On the gross material plane, the body forms the basis of the finer states of conciousness - emotions, mind, supramental processes and so on.

A sound body is a great receptacle for sound emotions and a sound mind.

By a sound body, I mean a body that's free of genetic perversions like incest/inbreeding, hypogamy, weakness, deformities and diseases.

Perfect the totality.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#48429 Feb 3, 2013
JESUS & BUDDHA - PLAGIARISTS:

Jesus borrowed all the higher ideas that he preached from the Buddha and the Buddha stole all his ideas, which he understood imperfectly, from the Upanishads.

LOL.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#48430 Feb 3, 2013
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
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The Child of G-D
What do you mean by G-d?

What kind of G-d do you worship?- a scriptural G-d? an archetypal being of a plane of the cosmic hierarchy? or what?

What have been, if any, your direct experiences of the gross and subtle states of consciousness? How did you experience these? What have been the results?

What is your take on the 13th, 14th, 15th and 16th planes of cosmic consciousness-energy which is the plane of the supermind?

What exceeds the supramental realm?

How many currents does the vital/life force/breath of life have? How does it penetrate and function in matter and body?
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#48432 Feb 3, 2013
QUESTION:

How true is this assertion - change is the only thing we can be certain of?
nbingo

Bedford, MA

#48433 Feb 3, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Here is the official US response to your question
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pd...
In November 2011, Assistant Secretary of State for Political-Military Affairs Andrew J. Shapiro publicly reaffirmed the Obama Administration’s commitment to preserving Israel’s aid and QME.
In his remarks, he stated:
But today, in these budget constrained times—some are now asking the question why should we keep providing aid to Israel? Yes, Israel is a long time democratic ally and we share a
special bond—but some skeptics are questioning whether that’s enough of a reason to continue to spend hard earned American tax payer dollars on Israel’s security.
I can answer that skepticism directly—we don’t just support Israel because of a long standing bond, we support Israel because it is in our national interests to do so.
This aspect of our relationship with Israel is often overlooked.
America’s commitment to Israel’s security and prosperity
has extended over many decades because our leaders on both sides of the aisle have long understood that a robust United States-Israel security relationship is in our interests. Our
support for Israel’s security helps preserve peace and stability in the region. If Israel were weaker, its enemies would be bolder. This would make broader conflict more likely, which would be catastrophic to American interests in the region.
It is the very strength of Israel’s military which deters potential aggressors and helps foster peace and stability.
Ensuring Israel’s military strength and its superiority in the region is therefore critical to regional stability and as a result is fundamentally a core interest of the United States.
Beans,

To clarify. I have no gripe. You know better than to take questions personally. You gain nothing by doing so. I'll assume that the answers were first reactions to loaded questions. I see that based on your finding the official reason your first answers were reactionary and nothing more.

I ask the questions that many taxpayers ask themselves. Why are we spending money abroad when we have deep problems at home? You just reiterated this with the official US response. It's not just Israel, it's everywhere. You name it and we are spending cash. There always has to be a reason for giving money to other countries, whether it is a lot or a little.

You mentioned Iraq as the primary recipient of US aide and also stated that Israel is no longer top dog. In reality, it could be that we are simply spending more elsewhere, but the aide to israel has remained flat. I don't know the numbers, but I'm sure someone can google 'em. Maybe I'll google them later on just for good measure.

In your posting of Shapiro's response, you also answered the question believe it or not. I was looking for the last part of Shapiro's answer. "...Ensuring Israel’s ... fundamentally a core interest of the United States ...". The rest of his answer was blah blah friends, allies, blah stability, blah democracy ... When in reality, it appears to come back to that one precious thing that we can't live without. Oil. Oil is the primary interest in the area for the US and Israel happens to be a place where we can defend those interest from. I don't think we care abut the people per say. It's that black gold.

Thanks for answering the question. This really is what I have been looking for.

Muq,

I won't waste a lot of words with you other than to say that you really need to use links. If anyone wants to read about the prophet and his sword, they will click the link. Re-evalute your words. I have no desire to get into name calling or insults with you. Honestly, I'm not sure you can handle it if I play the game, but I won't.

Peace out.

I.D.G.A.F.

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