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MUQ

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Jan 13, 2013
 
Frijoles wrote:
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You have a very interesting view of how the world works. Lets put it to a test.
What happens when an Islamic writer says something bad about the prophet?
What happens when a Christian writer says something bad about Jesus?
We Condemn "Everyone" who says anything "bad" about any prophet of God. Period!
MUQ

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Jan 13, 2013
 
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You're a very smart person, and full of knowledge. Just not very wise.
Ever learning, but not able to come to the "TRUTH "
Unfortunately that is the fate of every so called "Super intelligent person"!!

Their knowledge and sharpness becomes a block which prevents from seeing the truth.
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Every religion has it's own version of the "Truth". I assume you know this and is why you employed the use of the parenthetical.
Tell me. How do you judge something such as a specific religion to be "True". Is it a subjective feeling you have or do you have an objective yard stick? If the latter, what is that yard stick? If the former, then I reject your reality and substitute my own.
There must be a absolute truth, if not then we will do what is right in our own eyes.
If given a book of abdolute truth, but told one word was changed somewhere within it, either a word added or taken away, it would render the book useless.
With sooo many books claiming the truth, which one is true?
With sooo many lies,then where is truth.
I believe with all that is in me, if a man truly wants to know the One True God, the that man can call out within hinself, the way a human would call out to a God, and the One True God will come forth, and show that man truth, becouse all false gods are dead in their graves and their souls cast out. Chose this day, whom you will serve, or serve yourself, as many if not most do. As I did for far too many years. I can tell you the night I met the One true God, as I was sick of who I was, and as humble as a small afraid child.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

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Jan 13, 2013
 
MUQ wrote:
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We Condemn "Everyone" who says anything "bad" about any prophet of God. Period!
rabbee: well G-D already knew, you would condemn HIM. about the really bad things, THEY said to me about muhammed and your religion too.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

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Jan 13, 2013
 
one thin has become perfectly clear, none of you really know G-D. you don't know any thing about G-D, and neither did muhammed.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

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Jan 13, 2013
 
all the religions on earth, are just fantacy thinking. i have learned more, in my three audiences with G-D. that the whole world has learned, in about 5800 years. i mean you are all, so horribly pitifully pathetic negative learning.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

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Jan 13, 2013
 
assuming G-D ever stopped, giving this story of creation. is the worst mistake, you all could possibly make.
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Jan 14, 2013
 
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Ever learning, but not able to come to the "TRUTH "
What exactly do you mean by truth?

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There must be a absolute truth, if not then we will do what is right in our own eyes.
If given a book of abdolute truth, but told one word was changed somewhere within it, either a word added or taken away, it would render the book useless.
With sooo many books claiming the truth, which one is true?
With sooo many lies,then where is truth.
I believe with all that is in me, if a man truly wants to know the One True God, the that man can call out within hinself, the way a human would call out to a God, and the One True God will come forth, and show that man truth, becouse all false gods are dead in their graves and their souls cast out. Chose this day, whom you will serve, or serve yourself, as many if not most do. As I did for far too many years. I can tell you the night I met the One true God, as I was sick of who I was, and as humble as a small afraid child.
you are assuming that everyone buys into an association of truth with One True God. Some of the posters here hold atheist or agnostic or even polytheistic viewpoints and do not think along these lines. Others question the dualistic, anthromorphic and/or anthropopathic paradigm in favor of monism.
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You presume too much.
At least they give critique after thoroughly scrutinizing a text.
But you proof to be a stubborn non reader and avoid any modernism hence the typification 'fits'.

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Point established since if you read it you would see exactly what Islamic sources are used. Only the earliest. And we would see Mecca before it exploded in the town it is now.
So you are finding fault with those now inconvenient truths.

02. Months ago i showed you the redacting of the talk Mohammad had with the 'Ethiopians' and ' Christian Yemenites' and how that narrative differed in several versions to make the prophet seem ever more glorious, with every retelling.
And that older versions were discarded in favour of the new flattering fabulation.

04. There also comes a point where your sun-stained objections simply become an anti-western attitude.

Shooting the messenger as a matter of fact, since the sources are Islamic.
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01. No I do not presume too much. Any one who has knowledge of Islamic books and their classifications and the "authoritative ways" in which these 'Western pygmy giants" rate them, makes one wonder, are they even honest?

They have only rudimentary knowledge of Arabic language and its intricacies, yet pose as if they are Masters and Authorities on Arabic language and their analysis and their findings are the last.

02. Earliest Islamic writings do not mean that "every one is absolute truth". In Islam there is a verification process, in which the value of every narration is first checked. If the chain link of narration is weak or doubtful, it is discarded. The Western people, just jump to conclusions, without first analyzing the chain.

It is because in their system, there is no such thing as "verifying the narrators". They simply think "Old is Gold". They work in "good faith" forgetting that people could lie and invent lies in every age.

03. No doubt when one incident is recoded by different people, there would be some variations in there rendering, that is why weightage is given to every narration and a "compound view" is taken.

That does not mean "all these stories are fabrication and no such incident took place"

04. If you think my comments border on Anti Western you could be right, because the so called Western Pygmy giants have similar opinion about Most Respected Islamic writers.
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Non-vegetarianism is one step below cannibalism.
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Jan 14, 2013
 
Going with Rachel and Nisha to a party that is sure to rock hard till the wee hours given the high profile venue and the glam guys and gals hosting it. Bye. Later.

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Jan 14, 2013
 
glam guys and gals?
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Do what? What action for "us" are you speaking?
Atonement for our sins.
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MUQ wrote:
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We Condemn "Everyone" who says anything "bad" about any prophet of G-d. Period!
Please give your opinion of Bahuallah.
Eric

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Atonement for our sins.
And, considering that the tense of the passage is "past tense", and Isaiah wrote the passage prior to 1 CE, how does this passage relate to someone born after the passage was written?

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Gtown71 wrote:
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There must be a absolute truth, if not then we will do what is right in our own eyes.
If given a book of abdolute truth, but told one word was changed somewhere within it, either a word added or taken away, it would render the book useless.
With sooo many books claiming the truth, which one is true?
With sooo many lies,then where is truth.
I believe with all that is in me, if a man truly wants to know the One True God, the that man can call out within hinself, the way a human would call out to a God, and the One True God will come forth, and show that man truth, becouse all false gods are dead in their graves and their souls cast out. Chose this day, whom you will serve, or serve yourself, as many if not most do. As I did for far too many years. I can tell you the night I met the One true God, as I was sick of who I was, and as humble as a small afraid child.
Logic Fail #1: You talk about the existence of "absolute truth" (also known as Universality in philosophical circles) but show no correlation between that statement and the existence of a god. I too believe that absolute truth can exist, but in the form of logic and mathematics, not in the existence of an imaginary being.

Logic Fail #2: You talk about absolute truth, yet fail to describe an objective yard stick for ascertaining such truth, instead relying on subjective experience ("...if a man truly wants to know the One True God, the that man can call out within himself").

Your arguments are strictly emotion-based and filled with anecdotes of your "coming to Jesus" experience. That is fine if it helped get you through a rough spot, but your personal experience has no relevance to the topic of "absolute truth".
rabbee yehoshooah adam

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And, considering that the tense of the passage is "past tense", and Isaiah wrote the passage prior to 1 CE, how does this passage relate to someone born after the passage was written?
rabbee: well if the origional passage, was written without vowels. then it has no tense, since tense is mainly dependant on vowels in eevreet. so without vowels, it would effectivly be - past tense, present tends, and future tense all in one. and it is obvious, that none of you have, quit sinning yet. and you cannot atone for sins, if you have never actually stopped.
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rabbee: well if the origional passage, was written without vowels. then it has no tense, since tense is mainly dependant on vowels in eevreet.
absolutely incorrect

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01. No I do not presume too much. Any one who has knowledge of Islamic books and their classifications and the "authoritative ways" in which these 'Western pygmy giants" rate them, makes one wonder, are they even honest?
They have only rudimentary knowledge of Arabic language and its intricacies, yet pose as if they are Masters and Authorities on Arabic language and their analysis and their findings are the last.
02. Earliest Islamic writings do not mean that "every one is absolute truth". In Islam there is a verification process, in which the value of every narration is first checked. If the chain link of narration is weak or doubtful, it is discarded. The Western people, just jump to conclusions, without first analyzing the chain.
It is because in their system, there is no such thing as "verifying the narrators". They simply think "Old is Gold". They work in "good faith" forgetting that people could lie and invent lies in every age.
03. No doubt when one incident is recoded by different people, there would be some variations in there rendering, that is why weightage is given to every narration and a "compound view" is taken.
That does not mean "all these stories are fabrication and no such incident took place"
04. If you think my comments border on Anti Western you could be right, because the so called Western Pygmy giants have similar opinion about Most Respected Islamic writers.
Just a general observation on the book of Margoliouth.
This professor combines all sources and translations available at that time. With new found texts of f.i. the gospel translated in khfic-syriac as a nabatean precursor of Arabic, we can even fill in some blanks, where the professor states he does not know.
Which latter statements shows his intellectual honesty when appraising chirsitianity and the notion of ordinary people being aware of books. His approach is to find rationales for the islamic empire by the empire builder Moahmed.
So his interest is in the fisrt place on the pre-islamic days and mores followed by the earliest sources on Islam, history of the region, regal libraries and what is seen as authorative, still today.

So i notice that you manage to combine opposites. The mere fact that a much later authoritave committee discarded texts does not mean that they not were original and depict truth as was.
I think you should take this approach while reading the book.

They as in the giants did the first thorough studies on the language and went to great ends to get it right.
Where for the believers and proponents of furthering islam these were matters that were not to be probed.
Historic research has always been about finding the exact events by stripping away legends, opportunism and wishfull embellishments.

I suggest you just read the book.

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