Clergy gather in DC to lobby for gay rights

May 5, 2009 Full story: www.boston.com 1,624

Months after giving an invocation at a kickoff event for President Barack Obama's inauguration, the U.S. Episcopal Church's first openly gay bishop returned to Washington on Monday to persuade Congress to pass an expanded hate crimes bill ...

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#1 May 5, 2009
"'... Religion in general still presents the greatest obstacles we face in full equality,' he (Robinson) said Monday during a speech at the Calvary Baptist Church in downtown D.C.'Ninety-five percent of the oppression that we know in our lives comes from the religious community.'"

Apparently the Bishop is at odds w/the Bible and its believers.

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#2 May 5, 2009
Joe DeCaro wrote:
"'... Religion in general still presents the greatest obstacles we face in full equality,' he (Robinson) said Monday during a speech at the Calvary Baptist Church in downtown D.C.'Ninety-five percent of the oppression that we know in our lives comes from the religious community.'"
Apparently the Bishop is at odds w/the Bible and its believers.
No, as a matter of fact he isn't. He's trying to uphold the Bible and lift up his fellow believers.

Now Fred Phelps OTOH......

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#3 May 5, 2009
DebJ wrote:
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No, as a matter of fact he isn't. He's trying to uphold the Bible and lift up his fellow believers ...
Robinson uphold the Bible?

Bishop Robinson refused to quote from the Bible during one of Obama's many inaurgral ceremonies, and later stated that gay rights activists shouldn't use scripture to defend their politically correct positions.

And by his own admission, Robinson is not in fellowship w/95% of his "fellow believers".

What does that really tell you re Robinson, the Bible and the rest of the "religious community"?

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#4 May 5, 2009
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Robinson uphold the Bible?
Bishop Robinson refused to quote from the Bible during one of Obama's many inaurgral ceremonies, and later stated that gay rights activists shouldn't use scripture to defend their politically correct positions.
And by his own admission, Robinson is not in fellowship w/95% of his "fellow believers".
What does that really tell you re Robinson, the Bible and the rest of the "religious community"?
Don't know anything about the innaugural business. That's a side issue. He apparantly is comfortable with his interpretation of the bible.

Marthin Luther King was at odds with the mainstream religions of his day too. Not necessarily a bad thing you know, free thinkers usually are at odds with society.

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#5 May 5, 2009
DebJ wrote:
Don't know anything about the innaugural business. That's a side issue ...
It most certainly is not a side issue: Bishop Robinson is estranged from his own Bible, so how can he possible "uphold" it?
DebJ wrote:
Marthin Luther King was at odds with the mainstream religions of his day too. Not necessarily a bad thing you know, free thinkers usually are at odds with society.
There is no comparison between these men: Luther consistently used scripture to justify his positions; Robinson only uses political correctness.

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#7 May 5, 2009
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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It most certainly is not a side issue: Bishop Robinson is estranged from his own Bible, so how can he possible "uphold" it?
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There is no comparison between these men: Luther consistently used scripture to justify his positions; Robinson only uses political correctness.
Hey! I can't help it if you keep adding these little tidbits, spill your guts all at once and you'll feel better.

I don't know what his reasons for not reading scripture, I'm pretty sure he didn't come to be Bishop without reading the Bible, or at least a quick skim.

I myself am fed to the teeth with these circular religious debates, haven't seen anyone have an epiphany yet.

The fact is, Gay Rights come under secular law. The Bible shouldn't enter into it.

Methinks you've got it in for the guy from the get go.
Whoever

Mexico

#8 May 6, 2009
DebJ wrote:
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Hey! I can't help it if you keep adding these little tidbits, spill your guts all at once and you'll feel better.
I don't know what his reasons for not reading scripture, I'm pretty sure he didn't come to be Bishop without reading the Bible, or at least a quick skim.
I myself am fed to the teeth with these circular religious debates, haven't seen anyone have an epiphany yet.
The fact is, Gay Rights come under secular law. The Bible shouldn't enter into it.
Methinks you've got it in for the guy from the get go.
lol!

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#9 May 6, 2009
DebJ wrote:
I don't know what his reasons for not reading scripture ...
So you've finally agreed that he is no longer upholding the Bible after claiming otherwise?
DebJ wrote:
The fact is, Gay Rights come under secular law. The Bible shouldn't enter into it ...
Perhaps Robinson has come to the same conclusion, but it's still unusual, even for an Episcopal bishop, to be so estranged from his own Bible.
totally wrong

Northbrook, IL

#10 May 6, 2009
Gay Rights wants us to approve their life style, even though it is a sin against God. It is not hate when we condemn the practice, just like any other sin, such as stealing, lying, adultery, fornication, greed, etc. etc. If someone stole from a Gay Person & that person would be upset he was stolen from, would he call that a hate crime?? We are all lost sinners & gay people need the same saviour as we all do, but God will never say, no problem, you have your rights and can do whatever you want, yes he gives you that freedom but you will loose out on a loving relationship with God & if these clergy say that homesexuality is not a sin but right or not wrong they are hating that person by not confronting their sin....Love does not condone sin....

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#11 May 6, 2009
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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So you've finally agreed that he is no longer upholding the Bible after claiming otherwise?
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Perhaps Robinson has come to the same conclusion, but it's still unusual, even for an Episcopal bishop, to be so estranged from his own Bible.
I don't know doesn't equal I agree. Perhaps having walked the walk (both gay and religious) he has some insight.

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#12 May 6, 2009
totally wrong wrote:
Gay Rights wants us to approve their life style, even though it is a sin against God. It is not hate when we condemn the practice, just like any other sin, such as stealing, lying, adultery, fornication, greed, etc. etc. If someone stole from a Gay Person & that person would be upset he was stolen from, would he call that a hate crime?? We are all lost sinners & gay people need the same saviour as we all do, but God will never say, no problem, you have your rights and can do whatever you want, yes he gives you that freedom but you will loose out on a loving relationship with God & if these clergy say that homesexuality is not a sin but right or not wrong they are hating that person by not confronting their sin....Love does not condone sin....
So you speak for God? I thought your were told specifically not to judge as that was solely his arena.

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#14 May 6, 2009
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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So you've finally agreed that he is no longer upholding the Bible after claiming otherwise?
<quoted text>
Perhaps Robinson has come to the same conclusion, but it's still unusual, even for an Episcopal bishop, to be so estranged from his own Bible.
maybe it's just that bishop robinson, like most people don't believe that homosexuality is a biblical issue... it's a civil issue only. keep your religious beliefs out of it and see what you come up with.

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#15 May 6, 2009
totally wrong wrote:
Gay Rights wants us to approve their life style, even though it is a sin against God. It is not hate when we condemn the practice, just like any other sin, such as stealing, lying, adultery, fornication, greed, etc. etc. If someone stole from a Gay Person & that person would be upset he was stolen from, would he call that a hate crime?? We are all lost sinners & gay people need the same saviour as we all do, but God will never say, no problem, you have your rights and can do whatever you want, yes he gives you that freedom but you will loose out on a loving relationship with God & if these clergy say that homesexuality is not a sin but right or not wrong they are hating that person by not confronting their sin....Love does not condone sin....
did god tell you that being gay is a sin? if not, then who did?

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#16 May 7, 2009
dances with weebles wrote:
maybe it's just that bishop robinson, like most people don't believe that homosexuality is a biblical issue... it's a civil issue only. keep your religious beliefs out of it and see what you come up with.
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I posted this story on the Topix Episcopal Church forum, which is where religious beliefs belong.

As for Bishop Robinson, if he wants to advocate for gay marriage as a "civil issue only," then he needs to take off his collar before he speaks, otherwise he's a hypocrite.

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United States

#17 May 7, 2009
Joe DeCaro wrote:
"'... Religion in general still presents the greatest obstacles we face in full equality,' he (Robinson) said Monday during a speech at the Calvary Baptist Church in downtown D.C.'Ninety-five percent of the oppression that we know in our lives comes from the religious community.'"
Apparently the Bishop is at odds w/the Bible and its believers.
He did not say that Christianity, or walking with Christ were problems. He said that religion is.

Religious sects are of man, not of God.

Your religious beliefs may be at odds with God's plan, even if you believe otherwise.

Since: Mar 07

United States

#18 May 7, 2009
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Related Topix
People - Barack Obama
Politics - US Politics, US News
Places - Washington, DC
News - 2008 Presidential Election, Gay/Lesbian
Life - Religion, Episcopal Church
I posted this story on the Topix Episcopal Church forum, which is where religious beliefs belong.
As for Bishop Robinson, if he wants to advocate for gay marriage as a "civil issue only," then he needs to take off his collar before he speaks, otherwise he's a hypocrite.
Civil marriage recognition is indeed a civil rights issue only. Religious marriage is already open to gay Americans.

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Stratford, Connecticut.

#19 May 7, 2009
Quest wrote:
Civil marriage recognition is indeed a civil rights issue only ...
Again, if Bishop Robinson wants to advocate for gay marriage as a "civil issue only," then he needs to take off his collar before he speaks, otherwise he's a hypocrite.

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Stratford, Connecticut.

#20 May 7, 2009
Quest wrote:
He did not say that Christianity, or walking with Christ were problems. He said that religion is ...
And while he says this, he always makes sure to wear the collar of a Christian denomination, TEC; this is an unspoken, but obvious message for anyone w/eyes to see.

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#21 May 7, 2009
DebJ wrote:
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So you speak for God? I thought your were told specifically not to judge as that was solely his arena.
Right, if someone sins then that is their sin. You donít have to say it is right or ok but they should be free as well. They must be allowed to sin if that is what they want. Keeping someone from doing what they want does not help them, it just holds the sin inside.

Allow them to be free and choose for themselves and God will judge them when it is time. Though it is ok to tell them they are wrong and when it comes time to vote for such things just vote according to your morals just like everyone else. It is a right to vote how you want. Telling people they have to vote for gay rights it taking their freedom to vote.

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Long Island, NY

#22 May 7, 2009
DebJ wrote:
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Don't know anything about the innaugural business. That's a side issue. He apparantly is comfortable with his interpretation of the bible.
Marthin Luther King was at odds with the mainstream religions of his day too. Not necessarily a bad thing you know, free thinkers usually are at odds with society.
I was born and raised a Lutheran for moire than 40 years. Martin Luther, the founder of the Lutheran Church and he too "was at odds with the mainstream religion of his day too. Not necessarily a bad thing you know, free thinkers usually are at odds with society."

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