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There are 16148 comments on the The Morning Call story from Feb 22, 2009, titled Gay couples hope legislation makes Hawaii first Western state w.... In it, The Morning Call reports that:

Hawaii , the state that adopted the nation's first "defense of marriage" constitutional amendment a decade ago, has now become the latest battleground in the fight for same-sex civil unions.

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“Live and let live”

Since: Apr 08

New Orleans

#16858 Nov 20, 2013
Wow, I guess Kilmare must have finally dropped the argument.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#16859 Nov 20, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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"It is heartbreaking when a child loses a parent, but how dare someone deliberately birth a child with the intention of depriving them of a mother or father! It is simply diabolical, and certainly should be criminal."

Kimare keeps talking of children being deprived of a mother or father. DNF says. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE give us an example of a child born who didn't have a biological mother and father!

Also I guess in Kimare's world any woman who gives birth to a child fathered by a husband who died after the conception is a criminal as well.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#16860 Nov 21, 2013
Josh in New Orleans wrote:
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Simply put, it is not a tax break...
I have plenty of self-esteem, and I don't need your permission or blessing to exercise my rights, which are thankfully now being recognized. In 10 years, marriage equality will be the law of the land in all 50 states.
No abandonment honey, lost the site. Thanks for the heads up.

1. I have addressed your argument before. You conveniently leave out the issue of kin. One parent who maintained the home front while the other parent worked, along with biological children that society and history deemed appropriate to support in a measured way. Other relationships that are outside marriage are relegated to a contract (something gays like to describe marriage as) that is subject to normal taxes and capital gains.

2. The fact of the matter is, the government has NO basis to show favor to any relationship without prevailing interest. Your claim of 'humanitarian grounds' is laughable in the case you use, but would then be the basis for favor of ANY type of relationship.

When you remove the prevailing interest of supporting the very best basis of birthing societies new members, you open a Pandora's Box of issues.

3. I in no way twisted your words. You deliberately play ignorant to the fundamental basis of marriage to constrain mating behavior. The only reason laws didn't require children was there is no moral way to determine fertility before marriage until recently.

If anything, because of that change, we should now restrict the protections and benefits of marriage to those who are intending to procreate rather than opening marriage for any reason to everyone. In other words, have at your contract, it just is not marriage.

The government already provides benefits to default families that EXCEED those to biological parents. This does not address the moral question of depriving a child of one parental gender by placing them with ss couples.

Moreover, I don't need personal opinions about default parents. Those comparisons have already been professionally made.

"Studies of family structure and children’s outcomes nearly universally find at least a modest advantage for children raised by their married biological parents."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3...

4. It is your 'biological right' to have children??? You are arguing with the wrong entity, you need to take that up with evolution. Evolution left ss couples with conflicted sex organs and mutually barren 100% of the time!

As to your claim of ss couples equaling biological parents;

~Think about it. A duplicate HALF of genders MATCHES biological parents?

~Every study (as noted above) shows a deficit in child well being outcomes with default families. EXCEPT, by new claims, for ss couples?

Laughably stupid.

Josh, a mutually sterile, pointlessly duplicate gendered half of marriage will always confront your self-esteem when idiotically equated with marriage. That is just simple reality.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#16861 Nov 21, 2013
Jonah1 wrote:
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Equal representation.
... Do have a good day.
You actually think homosexuality is defendable.

It is one of the few behaviors that violates BOTH mainstream religion and nature's function of our genitals for the purpose of human reproduction.

Homosexuality IS found in nature. But this doesn't challenge the behavior as justifiable as animals have been found to do many abnormal & destructive behaviors. Just as many animals have inherited genetic defects, so too has the reflex of these defects been observable within their behaviors. Homosexuality is certainly one such behavior.

From an evolutionary perspective, as Richard Dawkins puts it, genes are 'selfish'. Genes in a sense are desperate to survive, and so healthy animal psychology will be permeated with thoughts of heterosexuality in order to promote continuance of the species.

In fact, males and females have inherited (in general) antipodal characteristics to MINIMIZE homosexual attraction. In addition to enhancing the proverbial hunting and gathering, everything from the added bass in male voice, masculine body chemistry producing male scents, larger more powerful body, to substantially thicker body and facial hair, all serve as 'ornamentation' to create gender differentiation and consequentially it's reciprocal attractions.

Thus in example, many women will be irrationally turned on by facial hair on a guy, but men will generally be disgusted by facial hair on a woman.

Homosexuality is a disgrace to the will of natural selection. It's a 'bottle cap' preventing otherwise potentially intelligent productive people from passing the legacy of their genes to the next generation.

Smile.

“What Goes Around, Comes Around”

Since: Mar 07

Kansas City, MO.

#16862 Nov 21, 2013
This thread made history. Now for off topic use...Carry on! LOL

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

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#16863 Nov 21, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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The usual stuff.
KiMare, I think that horse you have been whipping for so long is as dead as it is going to get. Congratulations to Hawaii and Illinois. Welcome to the party.

“Crusading Fundies r hilarious!”

Since: Feb 11

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#16864 Nov 21, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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You actually think homosexuality is defendable.
Why would something that doesn't cause harm or damage need defending moron?
KiMare wrote:
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It is one of the few behaviors that violates BOTH mainstream religion and nature's function of our genitals for the purpose of human reproduction.
Homosexuality isn't a behavior idiot, its a characteristic. No one cares what violates your Sky Santa, and homosexuality doesn't prevent reproduction.

Since the rest of your rant is falsely based on the misconception that homosexuality is a behavior, and falsely based on the premise that procreation is a requirement, it warrants no response.

In picking up a thread that has been dead for 13 days only to present the same old tired cut and paste previously debunked nonsense, you convey nothing about the topic at hand. The only thing you convey is that you are an old man desperate for attention. A pathetic cur.

“Crusading Fundies r hilarious!”

Since: Feb 11

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#16865 Nov 21, 2013
RalphB wrote:
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KiMare, I think that horse you have been whipping for so long is as dead as it is going to get. Congratulations to Hawaii and Illinois. Welcome to the party.
Amen.
Sweet 16 and counting

Waterbury, CT

#16866 Nov 21, 2013
Hundreds of couples streamed into the University of Illinois-Chicago Forum to witness Gov. Pat Quinn sign a same-sex marriage bill into law...

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#16867 Nov 21, 2013
Sweet 16 and counting wrote:
Hundreds of couples streamed into the University of Illinois-Chicago Forum to witness Gov. Pat Quinn sign a same-sex marriage bill into law...
ss marriage is an oxymoron.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#16868 Nov 21, 2013
I don't generally make posits without exhaustive research from all sides of the subject in question.

That said, it's not unreasonable to assert that animal sexuality (including the human animal) can be influenced both by genetics and circumstance.

In genetically healthy cases, our psychology predisposes us to be attracted to the sexual cues and ornamentation of members of the opposite sex.

This is VERY important as it's the (only) behavior that promotes procreation. In a biological sense heterosexuality is very 'good' because it helps keep 'the torch lit.'

Consequently, in that same sense evolutionary biology would deem homosexuality terrible (literally that strong of a word is needed) because in every case it guarantees the legacy of one's genes (and all it's potential) to be permanently blocked from entering into the next generation. We hear anecdotal examples of this when we hear one say something like "He's the perfect man. He's so intelligent and handsome. Too bad he's gay. To think such a great catch like that will never have kids...)

That said, it is easy to see that nature is not without flaw. We see cases of lifelong homosexuality in the animal kingdom and thus the belief that homosexuality can be genetic, is fairly sound.

HOWEVER we ALSO see cases of circumstantial homosexuality. This form of homosexuality can occur, and is easily seen (although certainly not limited to) forms of extreme heterosexual repression.

Otherwise 'straight' individuals can override natural heterosexual urges and engage in homosexuality in cases where they endure exaggerated deprivation from members of the opposite sex. In this case, the urge for virtually any type of sex becomes so overwhelming it outweighs any genetically predisposed attractions. Examples include the sex psychology of prison inmates, priests who take lifelong vows of celibacy, etc..,

If sexuality can be influenced by both nature and nurture, what helps predict how readily a person may engage in homosexuality? All indications seem to point at a "sexual continuum."

Those who are genetically healthy with respect to heterosexual instinct, are on one extreme of the continuum. It is very hard to sway such people into homosexuality, as their receptivity to opposite genders cues is very acute. Such people would arguably never engage in homosexuality even in cases of extreme heterosexual deprivation.

As we move along the continuum we start seeing people who are partially oblivious to gender cues and ornamentation, and thus attracted to more androgynous qualities.

At the opposite end of the continuum are the genetic defects with respect to sexuality, and whose natural attractions are polar opposite to what's needed to continue the species; the homosexuals. These persons may be as difficult to reform into heterosexuality as staunch are to homosexuality.

All-in-all, this is a fair summary of the conditions and influences of sexuality.

Since most humans have sexuality functioning within the heterosexual range (survival minded behavior), it seems pretty easy to understand the subconscious resistance to liberal acceptance of homosexuality (anti-survival/destructive behavior). It's perhaps for this reason that there's an innate almost ineffable moral objection to homosexuality.
Jonah1 wrote:
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Amen.
Smile.

“Crusading Fundies r hilarious!”

Since: Feb 11

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#16869 Nov 22, 2013
KiMare wrote:
[Mindless Bullshit deleted for brevity]
Smile.
I am smiling princess. I smile everytime you trot your synthetic bullshyt out!!!!! You posted this exact same cut and paste nonsense on another forum back in April of 2012. http://www.topix.com/forum/city/hurst-il/TLJ1...

Since that time 10 U.S. states (and 4 countries) have legally ensured that their gay citizens can marry with all the privileges and benefits thae institution provides straight bigots like yourself!!!

New Mexico and Oregon are right around the corner!

Your feckless "crusade", and the "crusades" of other mutts like yourself, help us gays immensely! Your turn to smile bitch!

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

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#16870 Nov 22, 2013
Jonah1 wrote:
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I am smiling princess. I smile everytime you trot your synthetic bullshyt out!!!!! You posted this exact same cut and paste nonsense on another forum back in April of 2012. http://www.topix.com/forum/city/hurst-il/TLJ1...
Since that time 10 U.S. states (and 4 countries) have legally ensured that their gay citizens can marry with all the privileges and benefits thae institution provides straight bigots like yourself!!!
New Mexico and Oregon are right around the corner!
Your feckless "crusade", and the "crusades" of other mutts like yourself, help us gays immensely! Your turn to smile bitch!
The more people hear from folks like KiMare, the more allies we get. I hope he/she just keeps pumpin' out the trash. Maybe we will get country-wide Marriage Equality that much sooner. They are their own worst enemy.

“Crusading Fundies r hilarious!”

Since: Feb 11

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#16871 Nov 22, 2013
RalphB wrote:
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The more people hear from folks like KiMare, the more allies we get. I hope he/she just keeps pumpin' out the trash. Maybe we will get country-wide Marriage Equality that much sooner. They are their own worst enemy.
completely agree!

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#16872 Nov 22, 2013
Jonah1 wrote:
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I am smiling princess. I smile everytime you trot your synthetic bullshyt out!!!!! You posted this exact same cut and paste nonsense on another forum back in April of 2012. http://www.topix.com/forum/city/hurst-il/TLJ1...
Since that time 10 U.S. states (and 4 countries) have legally ensured that their gay citizens can marry with all the privileges and benefits thae institution provides straight bigots like yourself!!!
New Mexico and Oregon are right around the corner!
Your feckless "crusade", and the "crusades" of other mutts like yourself, help us gays immensely! Your turn to smile bitch!
Amazing how much a feckless post pisses you off.

Smile.

“Crusading Fundies r hilarious!”

Since: Feb 11

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#16873 Nov 22, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Amazing how much a feckless post pisses you off.
Smile.
You're incapable of pissing me off cur. You're insignificant and you got nothing, and we both know it!!
smile.
CDC

Saint Louis, MO

#16874 Dec 3, 2013
Ya little beaich!
Jonah1 wrote:
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You're incapable of pissing me off cur. You're insignificant and you got nothing, and we both know it!!
smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#16875 Dec 3, 2013
Until now, the differences between same-sex and heterosexual relationships have received little public attention. These differences, however, challenge the assumption that "marriage equality" simply means expanding marriage as we now know it to same-sex couples. Specifically, available research reveals that same-sex relationships, on average, depart from the marital norms of prevalence, monogamy and permanence.

Prevalence: Although marriage rates in general are declining, marriage is still the most prevalent heterosexual relationship. Even in those jurisdictions that allow same-sex marriage, however, gays and lesbians are much less likely to marry. For example, in Scandinavia and Canada, where gay marriage is already legal, rates of marriage are much lower than among heterosexuals — 20 percent of lesbians and 5 percent of gay men compared to 50 percent of heterosexuals.

Monogamy: The Gay Couples Study out of San Francisco State University, which followed more than 500 gay couples for a period of years, recently found that half of gay male couples reported having an "open" agreement to engage in infidelities with their partner's knowledge. Similar findings were reported for civil unions in Vermont and in a widely respected study in 2004. A new word is even being used to describe these arrangements — "monogamish."

Permanence: Though decades of high divorce rates have taken their toll on marriage's permanence, same-sex couples, especially lesbian couples, are still significantly more likely to break up than traditional heterosexual ones. Studies of registered partnerships in Scandinavia show male couples breaking up at twice the rate of heterosexual marriages, and lesbian couples breaking up at a rate that is even 77 percent higher than that of gay male couples. That finding is repeated in multiple studies, including in Great Britain where after four years, 88 percent of married opposite sex couples remained together, 67 percent of opposite-sex cohabiting couples and only 37 percent of same-sex cohabiters.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765635635/...
DATA

Waterbury, CT

#16876 Dec 3, 2013
As of December 2013, fifteen states (California, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington), the District of Columbia, eight counties in New Mexico and eight Native American tribal jurisdictions – covering 34% of the US population – issue marriage licenses for same-sex couples. Merry Christmas and a Gay New Year!!

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#16877 Dec 3, 2013
DATA wrote:
As of December 2013, fifteen states (California, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington), the District of Columbia, eight counties in New Mexico and eight Native American tribal jurisdictions – covering 34% of the US population – issue marriage licenses for same-sex couples. Merry Christmas and a Gay New Year!!
Fifteen? Wow.

And still, ss couples are only ever mutually sterile, pointlessly duplicate gendered halves of marriage making ss marriage an oxymoron.

Maybe sixteen will change that???

Smirk.

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