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Southbury, CT

#294204 Apr 29, 2013
Susanm wrote:
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Is that why you keepgetting banned?
Some of the time, dummy. Other times its lying, scheming, anti choicers LIKE YOU, reporting every posts in an effort to get me banned like RC admitted. It sure is amusing when one on your side has a fit of conscience, comes clean and admits the deception from you reprehensible liars,, huh? Don't think I don't know your part in all of that.

Like with Lyin lily/lori/lynne/pervsevere and BS'er.

:-D

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#294205 Apr 29, 2013
The Prince wrote:
<quoted text>
God gave us free will, pagan. What we do with it is our choice. Some follow his path, others decide to be gay pedophiles, lesbians homosexuals and pagan killers. Free Choice is what you make of it, not God.
What is a pagan killer?

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#294206 Apr 29, 2013
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
I was not talking about skeletons. I'm talking about the broader concept of the scientific method, how it is applied, and the fact that nothing is taken on "faith". No matter how much people who IGNORE those facts want to pretend that their own religious beliefs are "scientific".
The boy is a true moron Bit. His idea of 'scientific method' is watching water boil.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#294207 Apr 29, 2013
AyakaNeo wrote:
<quoted text>What is a pagan killer?
A figment of his fevered imagination, just like everything else the troll spouts.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#294208 Apr 29, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
<quoted text>The boy is a true moron Bit. His idea of 'scientific method' is watching water boil.
LOL, yep.
rosesz

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#294209 Apr 29, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
As far as I'M concerned, contraception IS the equalizer, for women who DON'T want pregnancy or children. The problem is that NO contraceptive method is 100% guaranteed against unwanted pregnancy. ALL methods can and DO fail occasionally, even with proper and consistent use.
When a woman's BC fails and a pregnancy results, SHE is the only person who decides whether to continue the pregnancy or not. Whatever she decides, it is HER decision, and none of your business.

I do know that Ocean..as I have said..But a big word in your post is occasionally.
Had it happen to someone I know becsuse of the low dosage and nursing..etc.
BUT in my admittedly limited experience for the 40 plus years since the pill and iuds etc. In those I know to take it faithfully..she is tge only fsilure I know.
To me..there should not be so many and IF there was no Roe..I know human nature would see women AND men adapting. THERE would be less unwanted pregnancyIMHO.

CPTER wss saying how condoms have a fitting problem etc..But he also said that hetero sexuals do not use them as faithfully as gays..Something like that.
i believe this is because they got educated and became truly responsible be ause of safety.

WELL abortion has given straight men a huge pass on responsibilty ImHO.
HERS a little money ..go take care of it baby..If that much help. MEANWHILE exposing both sexes to STDs. BUT HEY if you get preggers we can just do away with it.

TRUST me..I know what SOME men are like..In my own situation..this guy Who told me we would get married..wanted me yo go have sex with someone else to claim it was theirs..He also said he would have his friends swear they slept with me. JUST know that men being cads is NOT generational..But today we hsve DNAAnd a court system doing a better job with child support.
MEN and boys would be less inclined to leave off the old condom if there were no abortions. Men can be callous ..boys dont have a clue. THEY SHOULD.

ONE MORE THING.show these kids in BIOLOGY class if the sexed is weak..Graphic pix or videos of childbirth..and gross STD pix. I know shoeing pix of abortions is controversial..so I didnt mention them..BUT THE STD PIX should get some condoms out of the wrappers.
If as I think I understood Cpter..the gay community Uses condoms more often. The straight guys can also. AS I said the abortion culture gives them a big old pass on responsibility to the detriment of society. THEY can spread AIds..clamidia etc as well as anyone else. THST ZIS EVERYONES BUDINESS.
SO THE PILL IS NOT the foolproof but people using All sorts of BC snd yes not hooking up indescriminately would reduce the pregnancies.. and the abortions. and the STDs.
One more thing schools could teach ..maybe in math class is the garnishment of wages. But then again tgat might make these little boys bully more girls into aborting.
A d it goes round and round.
Just one more reason I wish Roe had not become law BUT I KNOW IT IS..I wont picket any clinic etc. Just hope that maybe people will become more responsible..If AIDs doesnt scare them..I dont know what will.
SIGH

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#294210 Apr 29, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>but don't you see, Rose, if the woman WANTS the ultrasound, it's totally different from her being LEGALLY OBLIGATED to have one? I believe totally that if a doctor preparing to perform an abortion sees a medical need, and does an ultrasound, and the woman ASKS to see the results, she should get to. But the Doctor shouldn't be required to show it to her, if she doesn't WANT to see it.
<quoted text>
I don't even have a problem with doctors doing the ultrasound with the more sensitive vaginal probe, if it's being done for safety - but when there's legal mandate that it be done, and politicians are deciding, rather than the doctor in question, whether or not it is necessary, that is state mandated instrumental rape.
<quoted text> My point is, that a procedure requiring an object to be put inside a woman, who does not want that procedure in the first place, is inherently an act of aggression, and in this case, coercion. I disagree vehemently that it serves any purpose, other than to exemplify how little her personhood means to the State, which grants more dignity to a collection of cells in her uterus than to her.
<quoted text>For the same reason I CARE if her husband/boyfriend/hookup pressures her to HAVE an abortion. Both are wrong... both are coercion... and both should be illegal. If a woman asks to see an ultrasound image of a fetus she is thinking about aborting, and following that, changes her mind, THAT'S AWESOME, and I'm very happy for all concerned. If she doesn't ask, or is forced to have one, and DOESN'T change her mind, what did the invasive procedure accomplish???
Women in this day and age, who ask for an ultrasound to be done while they are pregnant, are (nearly) ALWAYS given one. The days of having no information about sex and our bodies are over. With the advent of the internet, women can learn all about our biology, including what causes, prevents, and ends, pregnancy. Most of us opt to give birth.
<quoted text>What about if she's not given the choice??
That's been my point all along.
<quoted text> Personally, I think child abuse is much more than 'sad'. I think it's unforgivable. And while I do, truly, understand that the thought of 3500 abortions a day is troubling to you, I don't think the daily terminations of pregnancy, are nearly as 'sad' as the daily mistreatment of hundreds of thousands of walking-around children. Our priorities, apparently, differ quite a bit here.
<quoted text>We don't force people to be 'informed' in this country - at least not by law. American citizens are rather exquisitely free to INFORM OURSELVES. Unless we are pregnant women, apparently...
Best post of the day, early as it is :)

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#294211 Apr 29, 2013
rosesz wrote:
<quoted text>
I do know that Ocean..as I have said..But a big word in your post is occasionally.
Had it happen to someone I know becsuse of the low dosage and nursing..etc.
BUT in my admittedly limited experience for the 40 plus years since the pill and iuds etc. In those I know to take it faithfully..she is tge only fsilure I know.
To me..there should not be so many and IF there was no Roe..I know human nature would see women AND men adapting. THERE would be less unwanted pregnancyIMHO.
CPTER wss saying how condoms have a fitting problem etc..But he also said that hetero sexuals do not use them as faithfully as gays..Something like that.
i believe this is because they got educated and became truly responsible be ause of safety.
WELL abortion has given straight men a huge pass on responsibilty ImHO.
HERS a little money ..go take care of it baby..If that much help. MEANWHILE exposing both sexes to STDs. BUT HEY if you get preggers we can just do away with it.
TRUST me..I know what SOME men are like..In my own situation..this guy Who told me we would get married..wanted me yo go have sex with someone else to claim it was theirs..He also said he would have his friends swear they slept with me. JUST know that men being cads is NOT generational..But today we hsve DNAAnd a court system doing a better job with child support.
MEN and boys would be less inclined to leave off the old condom if there were no abortions. Men can be callous ..boys dont have a clue. THEY SHOULD.
ONE MORE THING.show these kids in BIOLOGY class if the sexed is weak..Graphic pix or videos of childbirth..and gross STD pix. I know shoeing pix of abortions is controversial..so I didnt mention them..BUT THE STD PIX should get some condoms out of the wrappers.
If as I think I understood Cpter..the gay community Uses condoms more often. The straight guys can also. AS I said the abortion culture gives them a big old pass on responsibility to the detriment of society. THEY can spread AIds..clamidia etc as well as anyone else. THST ZIS EVERYONES BUDINESS.
SO THE PILL IS NOT the foolproof but people using All sorts of BC snd yes not hooking up indescriminately would reduce the pregnancies.. and the abortions. and the STDs.
One more thing schools could teach ..maybe in math class is the garnishment of wages. But then again tgat might make these little boys bully more girls into aborting.
A d it goes round and round.
Just one more reason I wish Roe had not become law BUT I KNOW IT IS..I wont picket any clinic etc. Just hope that maybe people will become more responsible..If AIDs doesnt scare them..I dont know what will.
SIGH
Again, the situation in countries where abortion is currently illegal prove your speculation wrong.

I don't know if you addressed my post from yesterday, or if you didn't see it, so I'll ask again. Are you aware that in Canada, a country that has NO legal restrictions to abortion, there were only slightly more than 64,000 abortions in the latest recorded year, and have had less than 4,000,000 performed since abortion was decriminalized?

RvW doesn't give anyone a "pass", it gives women a choice, and the best possibility of doing what many would do anyway safely.

Since: Dec 09

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#294212 Apr 29, 2013
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
A figment of his fevered imagination, just like everything else the troll spouts.
Psychedelics will do that.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#294213 Apr 29, 2013
AyakaNeo wrote:
<quoted text>Psychedelics will do that.
So I've heard.
rosesz

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#294214 Apr 29, 2013
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
Ultrasounds for medical purposes are for the DOCTOR'S need. It's only incidental that patients are given copies as keepsakes. If an ultrasound must be done for safety sake, it's for the DOCTOR only. Laws requiring the woman to look at it, or hear about it, or even for it to be done when not medically necessary are not "informing" anyone. They are attempts to manipulate the woman, period. That is wrong.
If she changes her mind due to that manipulation, HOW is that any different from the woman who has an abortion due to the manipulation of/pressure from her husband?
If it were a doctor shoving the ultrasound into her face and describing forcefully to the woman any abnormalities in order to manipulate her into HAVING an abortion, how would you feel about that? If it is wrong to attempt to persuade her to HAVE an abortion, it's just as wrong to attempt to persuade her to NOT have one.
IF THE WOMAN looks at the ultrasound..and sees what is inside her and changes her mind because she chooses to..maybe she had doubts in tbe first place. WHY would her changing her mjnd matter to anyone..maybe part of her thinks its her baby ..part of her buys into its just some cells..who knows..I said nothing about shoving anything into anyones face. If it helps the doc and she wants to close her eyes. WHY NOT help the doc. HE is doing the invasive procedure. ESP if she is more than a few weeks along.
And of course a woman should not be forced into an abortion BUT she most certai ly has the right to know if her baby has abnormalities..INFORMED..corre ctly I might add. As in the case I mentioned previously where an early test shows signs of possible Downs but then later tests show tge baby to be normal ..in this cass..the woman would nevef have an abotion BUT did a lot of researc on Downs....

IN any place other than an abortion clknic all info is required.. But its like saying all these women are so frail they cant make thd RIGHT decision if they decide its NOT just a clump of cells but her baby. BITNER we fought for equality..knowledge comes along with that. If an abortion does not happen..it takes nothing away from her choice..HOPEFULLY she is NOT achild and knows what she is doing.

“lightly burnt,but still smokin”

Since: Dec 06

in the corner of your mind,

#294215 Apr 29, 2013
a little something to read,pretty much on the money
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/04/21/pro-l...

Since: Dec 09

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#294216 Apr 29, 2013
rosesz wrote:
<quoted text>
IF THE WOMAN looks at the ultrasound..and sees what is inside her and changes her mind because she chooses to..maybe she had doubts in tbe first place. WHY would her changing her mjnd matter to anyone..maybe part of her thinks its her baby ..part of her buys into its just some cells..who knows..I said nothing about shoving anything into anyones face. If it helps the doc and she wants to close her eyes. WHY NOT help the doc. HE is doing the invasive procedure. ESP if she is more than a few weeks along.
And of course a woman should not be forced into an abortion BUT she most certai ly has the right to know if her baby has abnormalities..INFORMED..corre ctly I might add. As in the case I mentioned previously where an early test shows signs of possible Downs but then later tests show tge baby to be normal ..in this cass..the woman would nevef have an abotion BUT did a lot of researc on Downs....
IN any place other than an abortion clknic all info is required.. But its like saying all these women are so frail they cant make thd RIGHT decision if they decide its NOT just a clump of cells but her baby. BITNER we fought for equality..knowledge comes along with that. If an abortion does not happen..it takes nothing away from her choice..HOPEFULLY she is NOT achild and knows what she is doing.
These ultrasounds aren't free Rose. It drives up the cost for her and could delay an inevitable abortion by several weeks. If the state is going to enforce it, the state should pay for the ultrasound imo. This is a good example of how restrictions that are meant to decrease abortions actually make it more dangerous by delaying them.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#294217 Apr 29, 2013
rosesz wrote:
<quoted text>
IF THE WOMAN looks at the ultrasound..and sees what is inside her and changes her mind because she chooses to..maybe she had doubts in tbe first place. WHY would her changing her mjnd matter to anyone..maybe part of her thinks its her baby ..part of her buys into its just some cells..who knows..I said nothing about shoving anything into anyones face. If it helps the doc and she wants to close her eyes. WHY NOT help the doc. HE is doing the invasive procedure. ESP if she is more than a few weeks along.
And of course a woman should not be forced into an abortion BUT she most certai ly has the right to know if her baby has abnormalities..INFORMED..corre ctly I might add. As in the case I mentioned previously where an early test shows signs of possible Downs but then later tests show tge baby to be normal ..in this cass..the woman would nevef have an abotion BUT did a lot of researc on Downs....
IN any place other than an abortion clknic all info is required.. But its like saying all these women are so frail they cant make thd RIGHT decision if they decide its NOT just a clump of cells but her baby. BITNER we fought for equality..knowledge comes along with that. If an abortion does not happen..it takes nothing away from her choice..HOPEFULLY she is NOT achild and knows what she is doing.
You are wrong. No woman is required to look at an ultrasound in an OB/GYNs office, Rose. And one is not required to be performed on any pregnant woman there unless the doctor thinks it's necessary. And even then, a woman can refuse to even have one.

You are wrong. In NO other medical situation is a person forced to have a medically unnecessary procedure in order to have another legal procedure done. None. And you really need to stop ignoring the fact that we are not talking about anything OTHER than a doctor being FORCED to perform one, and her being FORCED to look at/hear about one by law.

If a woman chooses to look, and changes her mind, that is one thing. If she is FORCED to look, that is manipulation, and that's another. Just like it is if a woman's husband browbeats her into having an abortion. BOTH are wrong. Those laws are not done for the purpose of information, but to manipulate the outcome. That is wrong. Period.

YOU are assuming she doesn't already know what's there. And there is no evidence, in states where these kinds of laws are already in place, that it has changed even ONE woman's mind in the first place. Yet they've had to pay for an unnecessary medical procedure with no other purpose that to TRY to change her mind, because some busybodies want to affect the outcome. It's none of their business.

WHO should make our medical decisions for us, Rose? Us, with the expert advice of our physicians? Or politicians who have no medical training, and who are just trying to fulfill a political agenda?
rosesz

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#294218 Apr 29, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you Rose. Many so called "christians" here, such as Gtown and Tomtom (who you just responded to), Knutter among others - consistantly demean Jews and anyone else of different faiths. I apologize to YOU and to other actual Christians if I come across as harsh, but having one's faith constantly demeaned and bastardized by these fools is ridiculous, PARTICULARLY when they whine that its done to them constantly.
I gave a link in my previous post you may find interesting.
Read most of that page i do know Jews do not believe He was Messiah. Obviously I do. I believe He will the prophecies that are mentioned..When He returns. I believe He did fulfill some of them Isaih for one. I wish I was more knowledgeable on prophecy.

And at that time. The end of what we know as the world now. The Messiah will come. We will All know Who He is:)

But one of my pet peeves..is putting down people of the Jewish faith. To me..and most Christians..we are the adooted chikdren of Abraham. This was told that he would be father to many nations.

There are Jews who believe He was Messiah..Messianic .. and more who dont..As I say we will all know soon enough..until then ..we have the freedom to believe what we do.

Do I hate when people make fun of my lord..ljke feces..you bet. But as I say..it is not mg pkace to put down those who worship the same God as I do..or anyone else..for their Faith. DESPite What I believe. And why on earth Would Anyone Listen To What I Say About Jesus if I make fun of their religious beliefs. I may feel they are way off. Then I just try not to comment.

But the Old Testament is part of my own beliefs. If I mock it ..I mock myself and the Jew who is my Lord.

As I said in my last post ..lol. I try to shut my kindle if I get really riled up. Prince caught me at a bad moment and enough is enough. And peolle making fun of or cursing me. I try not to answer. Z :)
rosesz

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#294219 Apr 29, 2013
PLAYA I could not reply on your long post

PLEASE see my post to Ocean about tge ultrasounds. They are a tool for the docs and maybe they should be part of the protocol ..Maybe in an early pregnancy tge can see an ectopic one. You mention vaginal ones..good. anyway please read post to Ocean.

On child abuse..you ars absolutely right. WE as a society need to protect all children. I would like to see them get eye for eye treatment..unfortunately in a lot of cases they are passing on what they got..Sadly.
if I was on a jury for a child molester..and could I would sentence them to stuff I cannot put in print..

Thing is I have no control over any of it..asI have been repeatedly tokd here. But as a society the ending or abusing of innicent life IMHO..diminishes us..

Akso on tge ultrasound..we ars not tgat frail as I said to Ocean that changing our mind IF WD LOOK at an ultrasound makes us weak. And if ut makes abortion even one iota safer..it should be required..we have technology to use.
rosesz

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#294220 Apr 29, 2013
AyakaNeo wrote:
<quoted text>Not to mention it's incorrect. If sin entered the world, it entered by way of Eve. She was the first to disobey, but then again it doesn't say she knew about the instructions God had given Adam not to eat from the tree of knowledge. Isn't it just like a man to forget to tell his wife something important like that? I bet he thinks it was an apple too.
..

Hate laughing at anything on belief..but lol..

Actually I think he gave her too much info ss in dobt touch it. Thus it was easier for the serpent to tempt her. Or so sme scholars believe.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#294221 Apr 29, 2013
rosesz wrote:
PLAYA I could not reply on your long post
PLEASE see my post to Ocean about tge ultrasounds. They are a tool for the docs and maybe they should be part of the protocol ..Maybe in an early pregnancy tge can see an ectopic one. You mention vaginal ones..good. anyway please read post to Ocean.
On child abuse..you ars absolutely right. WE as a society need to protect all children. I would like to see them get eye for eye treatment..unfortunately in a lot of cases they are passing on what they got..Sadly.
if I was on a jury for a child molester..and could I would sentence them to stuff I cannot put in print..
Thing is I have no control over any of it..asI have been repeatedly tokd here. But as a society the ending or abusing of innicent life IMHO..diminishes us..
Akso on tge ultrasound..we ars not tgat frail as I said to Ocean that changing our mind IF WD LOOK at an ultrasound makes us weak. And if ut makes abortion even one iota safer..it should be required..we have technology to use.
A WOMAN being forced to look at, or even voluntarily looking at, an ultrasound won't make the abortion any safer.

Still waiting for you to address my one post about the abortion rates in countries where it is currently illegal, and in Canada where there are no legal restrictions.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#294222 Apr 29, 2013
Just a suggestion; we all have to find our own path.

I find it interesting that my post to you got a negative icon. Hmmm...
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>I used anti-depressants for a while when I kept having miscarriages....and hated the 'out of body' feeling they left me with. I really don't have any interest in using them again. But thanks for the suggestion.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#294223 Apr 29, 2013
Name these scientists.

By your logic, foreskins are a part of a man's life. Having them removed is a form of insanity.
The Prince wrote:
<quoted text>
Yet there are those who contend that people should not hurt themselves. That people who are mentally unstable should receive help. It has been speculated by scientists, that preganant women going for an abortion are suffering from a form of temporary insanity,or a type of panic attack. The abortionists use this as a way to take advantage of vulnerable womnen and give them an abortion. Medicine should help these women to understand that being pregnant is natural and not fear it. Preganancy is part of a woman's life. The idea that unborn children are easily disposable "mistakes" is indeed a form of insanity.

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