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Ocean56

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#288441 Mar 9, 2013
What girls and young women need to know about the HARDSHIPS of motherhood, but their relatives refuse to tell them:

HARDSHIP #1: LOSS OF FREEDOM - Having a baby really does change everything, including the freedom that girls and women used to have in abundance. Once the baby arrives, that freedom will be gone, for at least the next five or six years and possibly longer. Teen girls and young women who become moms can forget about going out with friends, whether to the movies, to hang out at their favorite restaurant or coffee shop, or anywhere else for that matter. If they do go out, they’ll have to take the baby with them if their parents refuse to babysit. If the baby is sick or very cranky for any number of reasons, girls will end up staying home instead of going out. Girls who are still in middle or high school will find it much harder to do their homework assignments or study for exams when they have to care for a baby as well. It will be a very long time before girls get any of their former freedom back.

HARDSHIP #2: LOSS OF SLEEP - The first thing girls and women have to know about motherhood is that newborn babies do NOT sleep eight hours a night. All mothers, myself included, can honestly say that babies can – and do – wake up during the night as many as two or three times. Each time the baby wakes up, mom has to get up with the baby, feed the baby, change the baby’s diaper (which could be a messy one), and then get the baby back to sleep. When my son was a newborn baby, there were nights where I got NO sleep whatsoever. Luckily for me, I had completed high school and post-high school education long before that, so I didn’t have to get up at 5:00am to go to school after having almost no sleep. Those who are teen moms will not be so lucky.

HARDSHIP #3: LOSS OF MONEY - Whatever money a girl/woman used to spend on herself will have to be spent on the baby, and that cost is far more than most girls could begin to anticipate. These costs include diapers, food, clothing, baby equipment (car seat, crib, stroller, baby carriers, baby and child toys, etc.) and so much more. Anyone who wants to do the math can begin their research by going to their local grocery store and checking out the baby food and diaper sections. Just make sure you have a notebook and calculator, because you will need to multiply those costs for each item several times per week. That’s just for food and diapers, you haven’t even started on the costs for clothing, baby equipment and toys. That will add a staggering amount to your calculations, and the sum will be far higher than you could imagine. If you plan to put the baby in day care for any amount of time during the week, you will have to add up those costs too. Get the picture now? Having a baby costs a HUGE amount of money, which many girls and young women simply do not have, unless they have wealthy parents.

HARDSHIP #4: LOSS OF EDUCATION AND JOB/CAREER OPPORTUNITIES – As hard as it is to acknowledge, a working mother of any age cannot have the same kind of freedom, flexibility or mobility as a woman without children has. If a girl cannot complete high school due to the demands of motherhood, she will not be able to go to college or vocational school, as both typically require a high school diploma first. That automatically limits her ability to find good employment, and she may well have to settle for a minimum wage job, which pays far less than what is needed to raise a child comfortably. Girls and women who complete high school may find that many jobs require a college degree or vocational school certificate, and without those, she may still not be able to get a job that pays a decent salary. A high school diploma alone is no guarantee of good employment, but all girls need one if they hope to advance to higher levels of education that their chosen job or career requires.
Gtown71

United States

#288442 Mar 9, 2013
AyakaNeo wrote:
<quoted text>Hello he was in the desert up on a mountain what else was he gonna use? Microsoft Word?
Well I geuss if God was only a man, then I would agree with you, but since He's not just a man -He could've used any thing He wished.
Gtown71

United States

#288443 Mar 9, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
So we're wrong today and porking 13yo's is okay? Your god approves of it.
Then there's that wham-bam-thank-ya-virgin thing, when that virgin is already betrothed. And then you can add in the deadbeat dad in the sky, leaving another man to raise the kid?
Such a role model, this god of yours.
<quoted text>
I geuss I keep forgetting, before a man has his old heart removed and a new one put in "spiritualy ",then he cannot "see " spiritualy.

Don't you think God would be able to supply all needs?

After all, He allowed pharoh to flip the bill for moses diapers and food.:)
Ocean56

AOL

#288444 Mar 9, 2013
HARDSHIP #5: LOSS OF MOBILITY – Those who don’t have children have a rather naďve idea that parents can just as easily take a baby with them whenever they go out. They are half right. Yes, parents can take a baby out with them, but it is far from easy. Even going to the grocery store with a baby can be a huge hassle. First they have to get the baby dressed, which can be difficult when the little one is happy being home and doesn’t want to be dressed to go out. After getting baby dressed, which can take much longer than mom expected, mom then has to put baby into the car seat, get baby out of the car seat when she arrives at the store, then carry baby around until she can find a cart with an infant carrier. Most grocery stores have very few of those, as I personally discovered long ago. Some may not have any. Going to a restaurant with a baby can also be very stressful, especially if baby suddenly begins crying or screaming for unknown reasons. Mothers who walk into restaurants with screaming or crying babies will find themselves the object of hostile stares, which usually last until they finally have to leave.

HARDSHIP #6: LOSS OF PRIVATE TIME – When a baby arrives, a mom will quickly find that she doesn’t have privacy any more. If she used to read books for hours with few or no interruptions, that will no longer be an option for her. If she is a teen mom who needs quiet time to complete her homework assignments or study for important final exams, that won’t be possible either. A baby will demand her attention many times during the day, so she won’t have private time for doing the things she enjoys or needs to complete.

HARDSHIP #7: DEALING WITH COLIC – For girls/women who are unaware, colic is a long period of crying, screaming and shrieking that can last for many hours a day, and even all night. It can begin when the baby is as young as three weeks old, and it can go on until the baby is five months old. My son had colic for almost two months as an infant. For me, it seemed more like two years. During that time, the crying usually began in the early evening and would last until past midnight. I would walk around the small apartment, carrying him in my arms, for hours trying to comfort him, but nothing I did really worked. He wouldn’t eat, and he most certainly didn’t sleep, and I was a wreck as a result. Being deprived of sleep, with a colicky baby on top of that, can really feel like torture for a mom after a while. I was no exception.

Girls and young women who have no children now need to know about these hardships long before a pregnancy ever happens, so they can PREVENT unwanted pregnancy to the best of their ability. If some girls/women decide they never want to struggle with the hardships of motherhood, that is fine too. The choice for a woman to be childfree is just as valid and respectable as the choice to be a mother, no matter what others may say.

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

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#288445 Mar 9, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Tommy presents nothing of substance, just "pagansinnergaywiccan " blathering. What are we supposed to debate, his punctuation?
<quoted text>
Or his atrocious spelling? Back to second grade for that boy.

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#288446 Mar 9, 2013
Katie wrote:
<quoted text>
Hear! Hear!
Thank you.

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#288447 Mar 9, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
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I have no doubt that you're telling the truth, but why do you think God wrote the 10 c's on stone?
He could have used gold or many things, so why stone?
It is becouse you either keep them, or you break them.
This is why The Bible makes clear, that we have all broke them.
If me and you had dirtbikes, that ran on how good we are, or live, and we must both jump the grand canyon, then perhaps mine would only go a few feet, before falling to my death, and you may make it 99% of the way, BUT we would both die.
There is nothing Good in me, except the "imputed " rightousness from God.
A "good " person can be very hard to make understand why they need the free gift of God.
Yet the 10 Commandments were conveniently destroyed so we'll never get to see the stone tablets or examine them. A mortal man supposedly chiseled them out and so we really don't know if they came from a god. How do we know Moses didn't think them up himself?

People do good because they choose to do good, just like people do bad because they choose to do bad. Fundies see God and Satan as some kind of puppet masters making our every move for us. That seems to conflict with the "free will" concept.

Tell me, how much relevance does a Christian put in the Old Testament? Just curious.

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#288448 Mar 9, 2013
Anyone know how Ladilulu is? Is she okay?
grumpy

Stony Point, NY

#288449 Mar 9, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
<quoted text>
I geuss I keep forgetting, before a man has his old heart removed and a new one put in "spiritualy ",then he cannot "see " spiritualy.
Don't you think God would be able to supply all needs?
After all, He allowed pharoh to flip the bill for moses diapers and food.:)
That's only if you believe his daughter's story of how she found Moses.
grumpy

Stony Point, NY

#288450 Mar 9, 2013
Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yet the 10 Commandments were conveniently destroyed so we'll never get to see the stone tablets or examine them. A mortal man supposedly chiseled them out and so we really don't know if they came from a god. How do we know Moses didn't think them up himself?
People do good because they choose to do good, just like people do bad because they choose to do bad. Fundies see God and Satan as some kind of puppet masters making our every move for us. That seems to conflict with the "free will" concept.
Tell me, how much relevance does a Christian put in the Old Testament? Just curious.
They make their own relevance using their own interpretation of the Hebrew.
huskerlicious

Falls City, NE

#288451 Mar 9, 2013
Susanm wrote:
<quoted text>
In Biblical times, a 13 year old wasn't considered a child.
That's right , also women had to have a male in their lives because women did not hold jobs and could not support themselves. Women who were prostitutes had to have children so the son would take care of her in her old age.

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#288452 Mar 9, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Technically, no, since they were married--aother step your deity forgot.
So, again--if your god approves of pregnant 13yo's, why don't we allow it now?
<quoted text>
You want to go back and live life as they did in Biblical times?
feces for jesus

Bellmore, NY

#288453 Mar 9, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes -He either inspired every word, or we can pick and choose those He did or didn't , and if this world is all you want it to be, and getting better, then I'm happy for you :)
You make the claim, not back it up with empirical evidence, jonnycakes.
worships reality

AOL

#288454 Mar 9, 2013
feces for jesus wrote:
<quoted text>
You make the claim, not back it up with empirical evidence, jonnycakes.
jonnycakes is full of you. ooo-gaaa!!!
Gtown71

United States

#288455 Mar 9, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Technically, no, since they were married--aother step your deity forgot.
So, again--if your god approves of pregnant 13yo's, why don't we allow it now?
<quoted text>
Not sure if you noticed, but it was a very special occasion. Plus I like how you keep saying mary was 13, when her age was not truly known at the time -she could've been 13 up to 16. If God was to choose a girl today "a virgin " I wonder how young she would be, thanks in a large part to the message being sent to them today. Like your message indiscriminate sex for all.
Ink

Philadelphia, PA

#288456 Mar 9, 2013
Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
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I think on your last point you are very wrong. I'm an atheist yet I don't drink or do drugs, I'm faithful to my spouse, I don't commit crimes, I work at avoiding gossiping about people, and I don't even like swearing or gratuitous sex on TV and in movies. I don't cheat people and actually do nothing that goes against your 10 Commandments that I'm aware of...so how is not believing in God affect the way I live my life? I try to be decent because I just want to be a good person and remembered in a good way, a way that made a positive impact on people's lives, not because I expect some award for it in another life. And I don't think I'm an exception in a world full of decadent atheists. I'm often amazed over how many people I've known, or been acquainted with, who talk about their church and such but then does things like drink and party or cheat on their spouse or pilfer from the company or even make the dirtiest jokes I've ever heard. Belief in God doesn't seem to stop a lot of people from living an indecent lifestyle. Just look at the religious conservative politicians who are corrupt and use their public office for self-gain, just like any other brand of politician. I just don't see where a belief in God keeps people on the straight and narrow.
Well we are in agreement here. The only difference I see here is that you want to be remembered well by people who will forget in a few short years and I try to do all the same things because I want to be remembered well by my heavenly Father who never forgets.

Just saying you believe in God doesn't make you a better person, you have to live a God centered life.
Gtown71

United States

#288457 Mar 9, 2013
Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yet the 10 Commandments were conveniently destroyed so we'll never get to see the stone tablets or examine them. A mortal man supposedly chiseled them out and so we really don't know if they came from a god. How do we know Moses didn't think them up himself?
People do good because they choose to do good, just like people do bad because they choose to do bad. Fundies see God and Satan as some kind of puppet masters making our every move for us. That seems to conflict with the "free will" concept.
Tell me, how much relevance does a Christian put in the Old Testament? Just curious.
Well a true born again christian puts much into them, becouse they have the indwelling Holy Spirit, but they are still living inside their sinfilled flesh.
Kinda like having 2 dogs in cages -which ever one you feed will grow stronger.
The first set of 10 c's was written by Gods finger, then moses had to rewrite them, becouse he broke them.
I realize one must accept this by faith, but that is also the way they get saved.

It is a spiritual transfer.

Since: Apr 09

Elmont, Long Island NY

#288458 Mar 9, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
<quoted text>
Well a true born again christian puts much into them, becouse they have the indwelling Holy Spirit, but they are still living inside their sinfilled flesh.
Kinda like having 2 dogs in cages -which ever one you feed will grow stronger.
The first set of 10 c's was written by Gods finger, then moses had to rewrite them, becouse he broke them.
I realize one must accept this by faith, but that is also the way they get saved.
It is a spiritual transfer.
Good men do bad things, but it takes religion to make good men do truly evil things

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#288459 Mar 9, 2013
No, nor do I want the mythology of the period to interfere in the modern world. Don't hold up a deity as a source of morality if you disagree with that morality.
Susanm wrote:
<quoted text>
You want to go back and live life as they did in Biblical times?

Since: Apr 09

Elmont, Long Island NY

#288460 Mar 9, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
<quoted text>
Well I geuss if God was only a man, then I would agree with you, but since He's not just a man -He could've used any thing He wished.
since he's a figment of imagination, he can use anything one can think of

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