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Guppy

Englewood, FL

#282178 Feb 5, 2013
Obskeptic wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes I do. The death of a human baby is the result of an abortion.
OK

Can you answer my question?

During an abortion. What takes place during an abortion.

No one seems to know. I find that odd. Especially for the posters who have been here since 1962.

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#282179 Feb 5, 2013
Katie wrote:
<quoted text>
As always, Bitner, as always.
LOL, you're both ignorant buffoons. I proved you both wrong in one fell swoop.

Since: Jun 08

Atrisco Village

#282180 Feb 5, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
<quoted text>
I know you truly want to believe that this is true, but it isn't.
Many women regret having an abortion.
I've never helped anyone in this matter, and I even admit, that for years I was "for " abortion.o
There was a time, that I would've helped and condoned abortion.
Abortion and many other issues were changed in me, when the Holy Spirit of God moved in, and my soul was saved.
Many women tell a different story about what all they knew they were getting into. Many suffer from depression and other negative issues, becouse of abortion, even suicide, so no, not all women knew full well what they were getting into, and not all women are ok with it.
Many were pressured into an abortion, in the same way ocean says many are pressured into having babies.
Plus an unborn child, is just that a child, infant, baby.
And yes the bible says so.
I know you desperately want for your personal opinion to be fact. It's not, honey. Just be honest and admit that you think women should feel guilty about having abortions. Most do not. I volunteered at a women's clinic that provided abortion services. I, as a student, trained alongside a clinical social worker, doing followup interviews with post-abortion clients. What experience do you have specific to abortion clients?
Guppy

Englewood, FL

#282181 Feb 5, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
<quoted text>
Well then listen to sto.
He's a "christian " who enjoys agreeing with folks as the head toward Hell, without God.
He will even try and get the bible to say abortion is ok.
I still believe with all that's in me, that if he is saved, then he will be forever saved, but as I talked earlier "some of our works will burn up like hay and stubnle ".
Thomas Jefferson was a very bright guy. He was an atheist.
Gtown71

United States

#282182 Feb 5, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
The bible says nothing about abortion. We know that, in biblical times, life was considered to begin at the first breath, which is also when the soul entered the body. So we know getting rid of a pregnancy wasn't a sin.
<quoted text>
The first man and woman was not born, so your theory about life at birth is wrong.
When a woman is pregnant, then she is with child. She talks often of her baby.
God considers the unborn as a child or baby or life.

John the baptist "leaped " IN HIS MOTHERS WOMB, and was to be named John, before His birth.

The bible speaks as the unborn child as an infant.
It also calls the unborn child in the womb a babe

It speaks about how children are a heritage of the Lord, and the fruit of the womb as a reward.

God formed Jeremiah, and BEFORE he came from his mothers womb -God sanctified him and ordained him as a prophet unto the nations.

God is No respector of persons.

When someone chooses to abort a child, they choose to play God.
not that abortion is an unforgivable sin, since waaay before a person reaches the point of abortion they have done enough to warrent Hell, but I don't think a country should simply legalize things, just becouse others want to do it.

If they do legalize things as important as this, there should be alittle more involved then a handful of judges the are pro death.

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#282183 Feb 5, 2013
Katie wrote:
<quoted text>
Re: the past conversations of "mutual abuse" in relation to Lynne/Persever's posts, those posts are all that's needed to show good cause of "mutual abuse". It lends credibility to the theory that Lynne mouthed off to a drunk who in turn punched her in the stomach which, according to Lynne, caused a miscarriage. Now, you claim NOT to be Lynne/Persevere, you claim NOT to've posted with her, so you have absolutely nothing to show for or against any claims of "mutual abuse".
But you keep on keeping on. It is interestingly humorous.
You're proof that enablers are still alive and well and posting here at Topix.

No amount of "mouthing off" justifies ANYONE striking another, and you don't have proof there was any "mouthing off" going on. You were there when she was punched, were you?

Foo mouths off here, would that justify someone punching her, and while pregnant no less? NO. NEVER. NORMAL people walk away, they don't resort to violence. So your theroy of what constitutes "mutual abuse" is irrational.

You people are mind bogglingly ignorant and have a scary ass screwed up way of looking at things.

Since: Jun 08

Atrisco Village

#282184 Feb 5, 2013
lil Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
It is a fact. People with no conscience and no sense of humanity would never recognize why a woman having her own unborn child killed just because they don't want it is wrong. You're proving me right.
Now, try proving me wrong, Toots.
Lol...

Yeah, okay, LLL. You have no facts, no proof of your claim. You have an opinion, nothing more.

Ummm, one cannot prove a negative, dummy.

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#282185 Feb 5, 2013
People verbally standing up for themselves is NOT considered "abuse" by anyone with any intelligence and sense.

I'll quote my own avatar:

"Seriously, I don't know when exactly that UFO landed & dumped all these stupid people, but apparently they're not coming back for them."

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#282186 Feb 5, 2013
lil Lily wrote:
Katie: "Wouldn't it have been pertinent of you to make sure you were in the current reporting period? You did not prove Bitner wrong, dolly. "
<quoted text>
LOL good call? I showed how YOUR link proved YOU wrong AND Katie, and it was "in the current reporting period", you lambrain.
LOL, you did no such thing. My link did not prove me wrong.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#282187 Feb 5, 2013
lil Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
I wasn't deflecting, because I flat out proved you WRONG, with your own link.
YOU claimed, "Incorrect. Less than half of all abortions are performed on women who are not married, or living with someone, at the time."
"who are not married"
The stat that was relevant to your claim was the following, and it stats "NEVER" married. Which means, that stat AND the other about 1 or more children,(measning they could have BEEN married before, but nothing stating they were at time of abortion), did not prove your claim was correct.
• Women who have never married and are not cohabiting account for 45% of all abortions [6]
You're the one posting bullshit lies and then arguing about it. I'm posting the facts. That's a fact, Jack.
Uh, no, lol. You're still full of shit, Troll.

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#282188 Feb 5, 2013
Katie wrote:
<quoted text>
It is a civil right to "kill your own" ZEF, though. It is self-defense.
Would you prefer a born child killed over something undeveloped and unrealized, something the size of a Tic Tac?
Katie: "It is a civil right to "kill your own" ZEF, though. It is self-defense."

That "ZEF" is her unborn child. A child is a child no matter how big or small. That "self-defense" claim; illogical, irrational, unreasonable, in-friggin-sane.

Katie, you really are an irrational mental case. I'm serious.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#282189 Feb 5, 2013
Guppy wrote:
<quoted text>
OK
Can you answer my question?
During an abortion. What takes place during an abortion.
No one seems to know. I find that odd. Especially for the posters who have been here since 1962.
You're the only one who "doesn't seem to know". Is there something wrong with your Google?

Since: Jun 08

Atrisco Village

#282190 Feb 5, 2013
LILY just beat herself at her own game. She cannot prove that abortion is morally wrong. No one can. She will spend all day rationalizing, explaining, defending. Lily, an opinion is an opinion. There's nothing wrong with you having an opinion based on your personal moral philosophy. You don't have facts to back up your moral philosophy. That's okay.

How many pages of ridiculously long, redundant diatribes will that woman frantically type before she collapses in emotional exhaustion? So sad:-\
Katie

Spanaway, WA

#282191 Feb 5, 2013
lil Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
You're proof that enablers are still alive and well and posting here at Topix.
No amount of "mouthing off" justifies ANYONE striking another, and you don't have proof there was any "mouthing off" going on. You were there when she was punched, were you?
Foo mouths off here, would that justify someone punching her, and while pregnant no less? NO. NEVER. NORMAL people walk away, they don't resort to violence. So your theroy of what constitutes "mutual abuse" is irrational.
You people are mind bogglingly ignorant and have a scary ass screwed up way of looking at things.
Here's the thing about Foo and her "mutual abuse" -- she is an adult. She is capable of making her own decisions. Same with Lynne/Persy. Same with you. Same with me. Last but not least, I am not the "irrational" one here, tootsie roll. You just got done ignoring your own mistakes all while "verbally abusing" me with your aggressive name calling. If I felt threatened by it, I might report it to the mods. I'm certainly not going to give you an "eye for and eye" over it, though. Sorry if that disappoints you.

“2014 TDF”

Since: Mar 09

Boca Raton, FL.

#282192 Feb 5, 2013
Doc Degall wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't retract it. No skin off my apple F. Lee. But the record will still show that you said protection of a woman's right to continue a wanted pregnancy was the "ONLY" reason for FHL's existence.
Not saying the same thing now are you ?
The record will only show a futile attempt to dumb something down for your benefit and your perpetual inability to even comprehend that.
Doc Degall wrote:
Yeah....shall be deemed "murder". In Florida however, if the assault only injures the mother but results in the death of the fetus, the perp can still be tried for manslaughter, thereby establishing a mechanism where the perp can be punished beyond the punishment for just the mere assault. Which is all I said.

Are you sure about that?

There are two cases in Florida that control;

Williams v. State, 15 So. 760 (Fla. 1894), and State v. McCall, 458 So.2d 875 (Fla. 2d DCA 1984).

In Williams the Florida Supreme Court stated in pertinent part:

"The proof shows further the premature birth and death, within a few hours after the assault and battery, of the child with which the wife was pregnant. The injury to the mother here, that resulted in the premature birth and death of the child, was inflicted upon her by the defendant under such circumstances as would have made it murder, had the injury resulted in the death of the mother, instead, simply, of producing the death of the child. When this is shown the crime is made out."

In McCall, the 2nd District Court of Appeals stated in pertinent part:

"Accordingly, we hold that in Florida there are no such crimes as vehicular homicide and DWI man-slaughter of a viable but unborn child. We do not hold that a viable fetus is not alive nor do we hold that a person should not be punished for causing its death. We simply adopt the traditional interpretation of the words “human being” under the homicide stat-utes as meaning one who has been born alive. There-fore, the court properly dismissed those counts of the information relating to the death of Michael Thomas Umbel."

In short, no birth followed by death of the "born" baby, no Fetal Homicide in Florida.

Good luck in charging the perp with "manslaughter" if the baby is born dead.

LMAO!!!

[QUOTE who="Doc Degall"]Yeah I get it alright. This was never about the mother's own actions anyway.....only the actions of others.
Win some lose some counselor.
Of course not. I only used that scenario to prove to you that the statute assumes a wanted pregnancy, which you emphatically deny. Yet, here you are conceding that, in Florida, if the mother sticks a coat hanger in her c*nt and kills her fetus, which unequivocally means an "unwanted pregnancy," she can't be charged with fetal homicide, or the "Unlawful Killing of an Unborn Quick Child." It has to be the actions of another, which unequivocally assumes she, meaning "mommy," didn't want the pregnancy ended.

And, I've shown you how even despite the language of the statute, the courts' interpretation is that there must first be a live birth, followed by death from the assault, for the statute to apply.

"Win some, lose some[?]" You haven't won one yet, errand boy.

;-)
Uber-Bro of the Unborn

Norfolk, VA

#282193 Feb 5, 2013
Katie wrote:
<quoted text>
I do, too, STO. I think it's illegal anyway, so it's moot. Illegal abortions are not the norm so long as Roe v Wade is in effect. And thank you for commenting on this. JM probably won't go further than she already did; ZEF-focused to the exclusion of all else.
It was interesting your analysis of ac/pl working backward from one day prior to the due date and pc working forward from conception. I hadn't noticed it before yet it seems correct. It would definitely explain why it seems ac/pl and pc speak in different languages.
(i want jm to recognize she is no different than michael schiavo regarding refusing her daughter a life-saving abortion. that it is her right to do so, just like it was michael's right not to treat terri's infections and/or remove her artificial life support)
Have you ever explored the web-site of Life Dynamics Incorporated "Katie" and asked yourself whether or not there is a link between racism and abortion!?

Since: Jun 08

Atrisco Village

#282194 Feb 5, 2013
Guppy wrote:
<quoted text>
Could one of you pro-choice people explain it to me?
No, I've never seen an intestinal resection, nor do I know what it is.
You're pro-choice. Explain it to yourself... Look it up.

“2014 TDF”

Since: Mar 09

Boca Raton, FL.

#282195 Feb 5, 2013
Reposted with the quotation errors corrected.
Doc Degall wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't retract it. No skin off my apple F. Lee. But the record will still show that you said protection of a woman's right to continue a wanted pregnancy was the "ONLY" reason for FHL's existence.
Not saying the same thing now are you ?
The record will only show a futile attempt to dumb something down for your benefit and your perpetual inability to even comprehend that.
Doc Degall wrote:
Yeah....shall be deemed "murder". In Florida however, if the assault only injures the mother but results in the death of the fetus, the perp can still be tried for manslaughter, thereby establishing a mechanism where the perp can be punished beyond the punishment for just the mere assault. Which is all I said.
Are you sure about that?

There are two cases in Florida that control;

Williams v. State, 15 So. 760 (Fla. 1894), and State v. McCall, 458 So.2d 875 (Fla. 2d DCA 1984).

In Williams the Florida Supreme Court stated in pertinent part:

"The proof shows further the premature birth and death, within a few hours after the assault and battery, of the child with which the wife was pregnant. The injury to the mother here, that resulted in the premature birth and death of the child, was inflicted upon her by the defendant under such circumstances as would have made it murder, had the injury resulted in the death of the mother, instead, simply, of producing the death of the child. When this is shown the crime is made out."

In McCall, the 2nd District Court of Appeals stated in pertinent part:

"Accordingly, we hold that in Florida there are no such crimes as vehicular homicide and DWI man-slaughter of a viable but unborn child. We do not hold that a viable fetus is not alive nor do we hold that a person should not be punished for causing its death. We simply adopt the traditional interpretation of the words “human being” under the homicide stat-utes as meaning one who has been born alive. There-fore, the court properly dismissed those counts of the information relating to the death of Michael Thomas Umbel."

In short, no birth followed by death of the "born" baby, no Fetal Homicide in Florida.

Good luck in charging the perp with "manslaughter" if the baby is born dead.

LMAO!!!
Doc Degall wrote:
Yeah I get it alright. This was never about the mother's own actions anyway.....only the actions of others.
Win some lose some counselor.
Of course not. I only used that scenario to prove to you that the statute assumes a wanted pregnancy, which you emphatically deny. Yet, here you are conceding that, in Florida, if the mother sticks a coat hanger in her c*nt and kills her fetus, which unequivocally means an "unwanted pregnancy," she can't be charged with fetal homicide, or the "Unlawful Killing of an Unborn Quick Child." It has to be the actions of another, which unequivocally assumes she, meaning "mommy," didn't want the pregnancy ended.

And, I've shown you how even despite the language of the statute, the courts' interpretation is that there must first be a live birth, followed by death from the assault, for the statute to apply.

"Win some, lose some[?]" You haven't won one yet, errand boy.

;-)

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#282196 Feb 5, 2013
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>Lol...
Yeah, okay, LLL. You have no facts, no proof of your claim. You have an opinion, nothing more.
Ummm, one cannot prove a negative, dummy.
I said proe me wrong and you come back with "one cannot prove a negative"? What kind fo stupidity is that?

Of course we can prove people wrong. We PLers do it with you PC all the time. Facts are facts, and the definition of humane and conscience are what they are. You display what you display, and have said what you have said. Put it all together and I stated a fact.

Now prove I'm wrong, by reasonably proving what I've stated is only opinion.
Guppy

Englewood, FL

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