Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

[LiIrabbitfoofoo]

lil Lily wrote:

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"C) Gosness was NOT arrested for LTA's at all. In fact, you'd find out what he WAS arrested for if you bothered to actually READ the grand jury report, that has been posted for you numerous times, but you've continued to ignore."
I didn't ignore it. I didn't see any post with it until now. Had I seen it and looked at it, which I would have, I'd have found this sooner.
From your link of the Grand Jury report and in the table of contents for that report it says the charges are on page 219:
page 219 from your link:
"Section VII: Criminal Charges
Gosnell and his staff showed consistent disregard not only for the health and
safety of their patients, but also for the laws of Pennsylvania. After reviewing extensive
and compelling evidence of criminal wrongdoing at the clinic, the Grand Jury has issued
a presentment recommending the prosecution of Gosnell and members of his staff for
criminal offenses including:
• Murder of Karnamaya Mongar
• Murders of babies born alive
• Infanticide
• Violations of the Controlled Substances Act
• Hindering, Obstruction, and Tampering
• Perjury
[****• Illegal late-term abortions******}
• Violations of the Abortion Control Act
• Violations of the Controlled Substances Act
• Abuse of Corpse
• Theft by Deception
• Conspiracy
• Corrupt Organization
• Corruption of Minors
Specifically, the Grand Jury recommends that the Philadelphia District Attorney’s
Office bring the following criminal charges:"
You've just proved yourself wrong with your own link bonehead. It's what you pro-choicers always do. You think you provided proof that someone else is wrong, when you're really proving yourself wrong.
You can't read for comprehension and it gets you every time.

Actually, I can read for comprehension just fine, however I completely forgot that you're too stupid to follow it FORWARD to see what the ACTUAL CHARGES ended up being.

That is the PRESENTMENT of the Grand Jury investigations. If you had an iota of intelligence, AND the ability to comprehend what YOU read, you'd have understood that these were their RECOMMENDATIONS ONLY.

In order to find out what the charges were, you'd have to be intelligent enough to go to the DA's website, and look up the what the CHARGES ENDED UP BEING.

In addition, one would have to have the ability to actually comprehend how the statutes work in relation to each of the charges.

I'm guessing you're incapable of that.

[LiIrabbitfoofoo]

lil Lily wrote:

I have made my point, and proved Foo, Katie and Bitner are pea brains.

No, actually the only thing you've proven is your point is covered by badly dyed red hair. Assuming its still red that is....

You'vce also proven you dont have a clue how to do any research on your own.

[LiIrabbitfoofoo]

lil Lily wrote:

^^^I said he was arrested for a number of reasons, which [includes] LTAs..

You said NO SUCH THING. You said

""The women who went to that doctor,(keep forgetting his name) who was arrested for performing illegal LTA's is what proves that your claim is false."

You didn't say SHIT about "a number of things". And he was NOT arrested for illegal LTA's. Lynne, you're not only a liar, you're a moron.

[LiIrabbitfoofoo]

lost-cause wrote:

"WEST PHILADELPHIA - January 19, 2011 (WPVI)-- A doctor whose abortion clinic was described as a filthy, foul-smelling "house of horrors" that was overlooked by regulators for years was charged Wednesday with murder, accused of delivering seven babies alive and then using scissors to kill them."
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story...
He was arrested for murder... the other charges came afterwords.
Sorry Lynne, you're wrong again.

She's an idiot. Here's the actual charges, and note #1, which is what he was ARRESTED for, with the charges added later.

http://ujsportal.pacourts.us/DocketSheets/CPR...

Of course Lynne the MORON will now likely argue he was arrested once each time for all 47 charges he faces. ROFLMAO!

[C Hamilton]

Susanm wrote:

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Absolutely.

I applaud your consistency and was surprised to learn that my oral surgeon does, in fact, have hospital priviledges. Learn something new every day.

[Susanm]

C Hamilton wrote:

<quoted text>I applaud your consistency and was surprised to learn that my oral surgeon does, in fact, have hospital priviledges. Learn something new every day.

They are also subject to OSCHA and other inspections, especially after complaints, and I believe that they are manditory if a death occurs.

[elise in burque]

Susanm wrote:

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I will share something that I think you will find interesting. There is a pro"choicer" who regularly posts here that told me that I have no right to offer women an alternative to abortion.

In what capacity are you counseling women? What's your approach? It all depends on how and what you say, Imo.

[LiIrabbitfoofoo]

Susanm wrote:

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Really??? I have seen post to me claiming that I am being unfair, but not one post to C-12.

I havent seen these to be honest, but when I do, you're damn right I will be speaking up. YOU are in NO way responsible for anything of the kind.

[Pluto is a planet]

Non Relativus wrote:

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Are you too much of a coward to answer what your question is being based from?
Are your questions in relation to ObamaCare contraception mandate?
Or
Are your questions just stand-alone, general questions?
Your above post indicates to me that your questions were directly in relation to the contraception mandate. Ergo, you realize that you were caught mischaracterizing the constitutional-question actually involved.
Okay then..........

I already get that you're too much of a coward to answer a simple yes/no question. No need for the long deflection and evasion.

This is an abortion topic, so I'm asking you: are you against both abortion AND birth control?

[Pluto is a planet]

elise in burque wrote:

<quoted text>I'm sure she will put one together for us:-D

I detected some attitude in her posts. I could be wrong since this is an internet forum, but I sensed attitude.

[LiIrabbitfoofoo]

Carbon-12 wrote:

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If there was no pro Life movement, there would be no Gosnell.

I have to respectflly disagree. The PL movement didn't have much, if anything - to do with Gosnell. He preyed on the poor, the illiterate, the uneducated, the addicted, the mentally ill, people that spoke no English among others.

PL movement or no, those that were most vulnerable would STILL be going to quacks like him, because that's all they HAVE. I dont believe the PL, extremist or not, has much to do with the sad state of medical care for those folks.

There have always been pople like you, and society has slowly been bending away from you having any sway for hundreds of years. Your Grandchildren will be ashamed that someone like you was in their family, and they will have to say stupid stuff about it being an unenlightened age. We are not two sides matched up for a confrontation. We are innocent people who have to address the aggression of people like you.

WHOA! Where the heck is this even coming from? I daresay that Sue's grandkids will NEVER be ashamed of her, any more than yours will of you! Will they say it was an unenlightened age? Yeah, I think our grandkids will, but there is NO reason - EVER - for Sue to be ashamed of standing up for what she believes. And I GUARANTEE you that she does NOT believe in the violence of the extremists, just as I dont believe in the endorsement of violence by extremist settler rabbis regarding Palestine. There would be NO REASON for her grandkids, or mine for that matter, to assosciate us with the violence of criminals.

That said, I DO think that idiots like NR, Knutbar, even the Skank could very easily be associated with the likes of Fred Phelps, mentally ill, ignorant, etc...

Sadly there IS 'guilt by association' by too many of us on BOTH sides of this issue, and that also is much too easy to do.

I've known Sue for a long time here, and have seen where I believe she lets her passion for the issue get the better of her temper, but in NO WAY would I ever associate her with the likes of the extremist PL, and I'm sorry you do. I respect the hell out of you, but you're dead wrong on this one.

[elise in burque]

Pluto is a planet wrote:

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I detected some attitude in her posts. I could be wrong since this is an internet forum, but I sensed attitude.

lol, you have no idea.

[Susanm]

elise in burque wrote:

<quoted text>In what capacity are you counseling women? What's your approach? It all depends on how and what you say, Imo.

I don't do "counseling". The center where I work offers women help with:

Finding affordable housing,
Finding programs to complete their HS education,
Finding programs to further their education,
Obtaining any government assistance that they qualify for,
Obtaining child care, etc.

We are a group that has Christian, Jewish, Hindu, and atheistic
backgrounds. Our doors are open to any pregnant woman. If a pregnant woman decides to abort her current pregnancy, we assure her that we would welcome her if she finds herself in need of our services in the future.

[Pluto is a planet]

elise in burque wrote:

<quoted text>lol, you have no idea.

I haven't been here for awhile so I'm not even sure who she is.

[elise in burque]

Susanm wrote:

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I don't do "counseling". The center where I work offers women help with:
Finding affordable housing,
Finding programs to complete their HS education,
Finding programs to further their education,
Obtaining any government assistance that they qualify for,
Obtaining child care, etc.
We are a group that has Christian, Jewish, Hindu, and atheistic
backgrounds. Our doors are open to any pregnant woman. If a pregnant woman decides to abort her current pregnancy, we assure her that we would welcome her if she finds herself in need of our services in the future.

Do you work for a pro-life agency of some sort? I'm glad you help women get assistance, in any case.

[elise in burque]

Pluto is a planet wrote:

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I haven't been here for awhile so I'm not even sure who she is.

Maybe you will have a better experience with her.

[Susanm]

LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:

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I havent seen these to be honest, but when I do, you're damn right I will be speaking up. YOU are in NO way responsible for anything of the kind.

Here are a few:

Carbon-12 post #227879



"I don't think Sue or NR have ever pulled a trigger or lit a match, but there is no reasonable opposition to other people's insular freedom. They are the direct beneficiaries of terrorism, and their actions (whatever form they take) support it. They may not claim the Army of God as their own, but the Army of God counts them as supporters"

post #227951

"You are not even arguing your original point any more.I do not benefit from the existence of someone like Gosnell, and his practice is not what I am supporting. You share the same goal as the Army of God, and the same belief. I have nothing in common with a Gosnell, and I don't think people like him would have a toehold if it were not for people like you. You can't argue against safe abortion, and then act shocked, shocked, that unsafe practices are happening."



post #227992

"If there was no pro Life movement, there would be no Gosnell. There have always been pople like you, and society has slowly been bending away from you having any sway for hundreds of years. Your Grandchildren will be ashamed that someone like you was in their family, and they will have to say stupid stuff about it being an unenlightened age. We are not two sides matched up for a confrontation. We are innocent people who have to address the aggression of people like you. People don't die because of what I believe, they are killed by people who are on your side of the issue, or they live under threat, or they have acid thrown in their faces, or they have bombs go off. There is a good and bad side of this argument, and you are are on the wrong one. I don't give a damn about your feelings Susan. I don't care that you want to feel the way you do, and still think you are a good person. Look at the people who believe the same things you do, and you will find some of the worst people on Earth. Whether they pull triggers, orwrite down license plate numbers, or work in deceptive "clinics".

We have talked enough that I know your views, and I won't pretend like I think you are a reasonable person."

[grumpy]

Non Relativus wrote:

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If you take 1 million DNA samples from mom and 1 million DNA samples from preborn baby, 1 million out of 1 million times mom's sample will show samples from mom. Likewise, 1 million samples from baby will show samples from baby.
Only when specialized analysis is performed to intentionally isolate the baby's "army of protective cells" within mom will the cells show up. No where did the researches indicate that the baby's "army of protective cells" indicate that the baby IS mom, or visa versa. Why? Because saying so would be libtarded & ridiculous.
Your attempts to bastardize the beautiful interaction between mom and baby in utero only shows your coldness, uneducated thinking processes, and lack of empathy.
^^^ As is ALWAYS the case w/ proaborts, their base 'argument' is to dehumanize human beings....even conflate baby as mom when baby's cells found to have healing and protective properties for mom. Sad.^^^

You keep saying "baby" but the protective cells come from the "fetus" (In the womb). It's the anti-choicers who argue that there is no special relationship between female chromesomes of the fetus and of the mother. Now after close examinaion, it seems there is a a relationship. The argument that cites DNA differences as a difference between the fetus and mother is substantially weakened.

[Susanm]

LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:

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I have to respectflly disagree. The PL movement didn't have much, if anything - to do with Gosnell. He preyed on the poor, the illiterate, the uneducated, the addicted, the mentally ill, people that spoke no English among others.
PL movement or no, those that were most vulnerable would STILL be going to quacks like him, because that's all they HAVE. I dont believe the PL, extremist or not, has much to do with the sad state of medical care for those folks.
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WHOA! Where the heck is this even coming from? I daresay that Sue's grandkids will NEVER be ashamed of her, any more than yours will of you! Will they say it was an unenlightened age? Yeah, I think our grandkids will, but there is NO reason - EVER - for Sue to be ashamed of standing up for what she believes. And I GUARANTEE you that she does NOT believe in the violence of the extremists, just as I dont believe in the endorsement of violence by extremist settler rabbis regarding Palestine. There would be NO REASON for her grandkids, or mine for that matter, to assosciate us with the violence of criminals.
That said, I DO think that idiots like NR, Knutbar, even the Skank could very easily be associated with the likes of Fred Phelps, mentally ill, ignorant, etc...
Sadly there IS 'guilt by association' by too many of us on BOTH sides of this issue, and that also is much too easy to do.
I've known Sue for a long time here, and have seen where I believe she lets her passion for the issue get the better of her temper, but in NO WAY would I ever associate her with the likes of the extremist PL, and I'm sorry you do. I respect the hell out of you, but you're dead wrong on this one.

Thank you, foo.

Sadly I see people on BOTH sides diminishing the "sins" of their own extremists.

[Susanm]

elise in burque wrote:

<quoted text> Do you work for a pro-life agency of some sort? I'm glad you help women get assistance, in any case.

We consider ourself as an "abortion alternative" agency.