Once slow-moving threat, global warmi...

Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

There are 60657 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#36980 Jul 13, 2013
NOWAY wrote:
<quoted text>.. but you are ignored because you live in Hell, WI.
Psst, you did not get it the first time.
psssst.....i never was hoodwinked in the first place, dummy.

pssst...you're lying again.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#36981 Jul 13, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Feel free to post your stuff.
as if anyone needed your approval, turgid little fuque?

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#36982 Jul 13, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
Your name is stirring, stunning to some.
really? are you gay?
Retired Farmer

Paducah, KY

#36983 Jul 14, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, but the Christians and Libertarians could not have done so without the desperate need of the Republicans desire for votes. Only by the use of religion, fear, prejudice, and corporate influence could the Republicans have gained power. They are straddled with all the baggage that came with all that and no way but to continue to try to meld religion and politics. They have had a lot of help from the RW media but seem to be losing ground as more folks begin to understand how they sold their soul.
The Democrats did go too far to the left with some things but have not had to sell out to any group, yet. Even though the conservatives have tried to negatively associate them with such 'undesirable'* things as the environment, women and gay rights. However, the nation has been held hostage to the far right religions and money barons of the banks and corporations. Unfortunately we as a nation have been held back because of the unreasonable labeling of socialism to any government endeavor on health care or aid to the poor.
My take is that the nation as a whole will come to its senses and move to a more moderate society.
Sort of, but not quite. True, the Republican Party reached out to the Christian Right for votes. They are, after all, a political party and want to win elections. To do that they have to appeal to voters and give them what they want. There is nothing different or wrong with that. However, you seem to be confusing the "Republican Party" with the libertarian "Tea Party" element that infiltrated it from the top. The old Republican Party was a center right entity led by men like Bob Dole.(See his comments)

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/29/opinion/bob...

That old Republican Party's base was conservative (in the old definition of conservative, meaning cautious, not the new libertarian one) businessmen, small merchants, farmers from the Plains and rural Midwest, etc. Its basic political-economic philosophy was based on Eisenhower's "Middle Way" ideas.

Several things happened to transform that old Republican Party into what it is today. First, the Democrats went too far to the left in the 1980s in an effort to appeal to young voters and minorities. At the local level in the rural Bible Belt (the phenomenon is identified with the South, but it happened in the rural West and Midwest too), every county had a "Boss Hogg" who ruled the roost in the Democratic Party from the end of the Civil War until the 1980s. Contrary to the image presented by the Dukes of Hazzard, the Boss Hoggs, who were the rural equivalent of a big city ward boss, were usually not corrupt. They were honest men who worked for the interests of their communities. They were also fairly middle-of-the-road. They supported the status quo up to a point, but they also supported the New Deal tradition. Problem was, they held on too long. The rural Democratic party became a closed good-old-boys' club. Young people were not admitted to the club. So when Ronald Reagan came along the young people turned to the Republicans, which most of the time did not even have a local organization in the South.

(will continue later)
Retired Farmer

Paducah, KY

#36984 Jul 14, 2013
Another aspect of the "Boss Hogg" tradition was that the position of "Boss Hogg" was usually hereditary. In the county where I grew up it was passed down from father to son in the same family for 4 or 5 generations. However, the last generation of Boss Hoggs, the ones who ruled from the end of World War II until the 1980s, educated their sons well. Those sons moved out of the local area and did not take their fathers' places. That created a leadership vacuum at the local level.

By default leadership fell to the only other group with local influence: the preachers. As usually happens, leadership among the preachers fell to the most extreme fundamentalists among them. Then -- and I do not know how this happened -- during the Clinton years the preachers (who previously were mostly New Deal Democrats) switched parties and became Republicans. The preachers very quickly took over the leadership role in the local Republican organizations. They then proceeded to brand the "Middle Way" Republicans RINOs and drove us out of the party. At the same time, Gary North's economics was taking hold, meshing with that of the libertarians, and filtering down by way of Pat Robertson and religious leaders like the Southern Baptist Convention's Richard Land that followed his lead.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#36985 Jul 14, 2013
Retired Farmer wrote:
<quoted text>
Sort of, but not quite. True, the Republican Party reached out to the Christian Right for votes. They are, after all, a political party and want to win elections. To do that they have to appeal to voters and give them what they want. There is nothing different or wrong with that. However, you seem to be confusing the "Republican Party" with the libertarian "Tea Party" element that infiltrated it from the top. The old Republican Party was a center right entity led by men like Bob Dole.(See his comments)
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/29/opinion/bob...
That old Republican Party's base was conservative (in the old definition of conservative, meaning cautious, not the new libertarian one) businessmen, small merchants, farmers from the Plains and rural Midwest, etc. Its basic political-economic philosophy was based on Eisenhower's "Middle Way" ideas.
Several things happened to transform that old Republican Party into what it is today. First, the Democrats went too far to the left in the 1980s in an effort to appeal to young voters and minorities. At the local level in the rural Bible Belt (the phenomenon is identified with the South, but it happened in the rural West and Midwest too), every county had a "Boss Hogg" who ruled the roost in the Democratic Party from the end of the Civil War until the 1980s. Contrary to the image presented by the Dukes of Hazzard, the Boss Hoggs, who were the rural equivalent of a big city ward boss, were usually not corrupt. They were honest men who worked for the interests of their communities. They were also fairly middle-of-the-road. They supported the status quo up to a point, but they also supported the New Deal tradition. Problem was, they held on too long. The rural Democratic party became a closed good-old-boys' club. Young people were not admitted to the club. So when Ronald Reagan came along the young people turned to the Republicans, which most of the time did not even have a local organization in the South.
(will continue later)
I agree with a good part of that. However, it was more the high inflation rate and the failed rescue in Iran that determined the election of Reagan. The Feds were experimenting with a different way of controlling inflation by adjusting the supply of money rather than by controlling the interest rate. Things got out of hand, not because of federal spending or President Carter, a beltway outsider, but because he didn't play ball with the good old boys.

I am not defending the actions of the Democrats. As a mater of fact, I was a voting Republican up till the second term of President Reagan. The Republican Party lost its way and sold out to the vested interests with a complete reversal of representation of the independent businessmen and rural areas. They have only held on to the rural areas by utilizing religion and prejudices. That is beginning to crumble.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#36986 Jul 14, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>as if anyone needed your approval,[name calling]?
What's it to you, rogue?

Why did you miss me?
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#36987 Jul 14, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>really? are you gay?
LOL. You are in the wrong forum.

You are desperate, aren't you?
Retired Farmer

Paducah, KY

#36988 Jul 14, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with a good part of that. However, it was more the high inflation rate and the failed rescue in Iran that determined the election of Reagan. The Feds were experimenting with a different way of controlling inflation by adjusting the supply of money rather than by controlling the interest rate. Things got out of hand, not because of federal spending or President Carter, a beltway outsider, but because he didn't play ball with the good old boys.

I am not defending the actions of the Democrats. As a mater of fact, I was a voting Republican up till the second term of President Reagan. The Republican Party lost its way and sold out to the vested interests with a complete reversal of representation of the independent businessmen and rural areas. They have only held on to the rural areas by utilizing religion and prejudices. That is beginning to crumble.
I disagree.

First, yes, the Iran hostage situation and inflation were key to Carter's defeat and Reagan's victory. But as to voter reaction to the Fed's monetary policies, it has been my observation that most people here are only vaguely aware of what the policies are. Sure, they dislike the results - or lack thereof - but they don't comprehend the policy itself. Sometimes what they think it is is directly opposite of what it really is.

As for your second paragraph, the structure that the Libertarian / Christian Right alliance has built is now the Republican Party. The old party is gone, its members either died off or been forced out/left in disgust. The new structure is very strong, a unit that is stronger than the sum of its component parts. Each part both reinforces all of the other parts and holds each one in place. If one part was to break, the result would, I admit, cause the whole structure to come crashing down. There is only one thing that I see that could cause such a crackup, however: a fight between the Christian Right and the Libertarians. If the Libertarians were to back away from the Christian Right's "moral" issues, meaning opposition to abortion and gay marriage, there would most likely be a brawl. The Republican party might actually split the way that the Democrats did in 1860. I can't see the Christian Right backing away from Libertarian economics. Most of them just aren't smart enough to recognize their own self interest in that regard.

And there is the matter of the Democrats letting their own urban-based left wing keep on doing things that reinforces the siege mentality that has taken root among rural people.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#36989 Jul 14, 2013
Retired farmer and Bozo, this thread is 'supposed' to be about the alleged speed up of Glowbull warming.

Just saying.
Retired Farmer

Paducah, KY

#36990 Jul 14, 2013
Earthling-1 wrote:
Retired farmer and Bozo, this thread is 'supposed' to be about the alleged speed up of Glowbull warming.
Just saying.
Human induced global warming is a political issue in the United States. It is therefore pointless and futile to discuss it without discussing the political context. To understand that political context it is necessary to understand the whole political mosaic.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#36991 Jul 14, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
Why did you miss me?
no.....i said goodbye when i flushed you down the toilet, little turd.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#36992 Jul 14, 2013
Retired Farmer wrote:
<quoted text>
Human induced global warming is a political issue in the United States. It is therefore pointless and futile to discuss it without discussing the political context. To understand that political context it is necessary to understand the whole political mosaic.
"human induced global warming" is entirely political.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#36993 Jul 14, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>no.....i said goodbye when i flushed mine down the toilet, little turd.
LIAR.

You go on whining. Only little, huh? LOL. Mine are very big.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#36994 Jul 14, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>"human induced global warming" is entirely political.
Once again you did not comprehend what's posted.

Keep on your whining without any depth. It'll make dirt your buddy, lol.
gcaveman1

Louin, MS

#36995 Jul 14, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>i guess you'd know if it was or not.....if you could read and comprehend.
psssst.....doesn't reallt matter what town your isp shows in "jaspa" county. everyone is poor white trash or lazy bros-n-hoes in that part of the country. uneducated, too! you're a poster child,'maggy'. lol
Is that all you got?

Yes, it is. Certainly no intelligent debate.

Appears you're too ashamed to name your little burg. Is your racist and homophobic attitude typical of your area or are you a pariah there, as well?

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#36996 Jul 14, 2013
Retired Farmer wrote:
Human induced global warming is a political issue in the United States.
I had noticed that over the years I've been posting here.
Retired Farmer wrote:
It is therefore pointless and futile to discuss it without discussing the political context. To understand that political context it is necessary to understand the whole political mosaic.
FYI, discussing anything with Bozo is pointless and futile, unless you have nothing better to do, like whittling, for example.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#36997 Jul 14, 2013
cavemonkey wrote:
Certainly no intelligent debate.
Appears you're too ashamed to name your little burg.
Seems your too ashamed to register, so "your little [IP address] burg" gets named whether you like it or not.
cavemonkey wrote:
Is your racist and homophobic attitude typical of your area or are you a pariah there, as well?
Do you call that "intelligent debate?"

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#36998 Jul 14, 2013
Retired Farmer wrote:
<quoted text>
I disagree.
First, yes, the Iran hostage situation and inflation were key to Carter's defeat and Reagan's victory. But as to voter reaction to the Fed's monetary policies, it has been my observation that most people here are only vaguely aware of what the policies are. Sure, they dislike the results - or lack thereof - but they don't comprehend the policy itself. Sometimes what they think it is is directly opposite of what it really is.
As for your second paragraph, the structure that the Libertarian / Christian Right alliance has built is now the Republican Party. The old party is gone, its members either died off or been forced out/left in disgust. The new structure is very strong, a unit that is stronger than the sum of its component parts. Each part both reinforces all of the other parts and holds each one in place. If one part was to break, the result would, I admit, cause the whole structure to come crashing down. There is only one thing that I see that could cause such a crackup, however: a fight between the Christian Right and the Libertarians. If the Libertarians were to back away from the Christian Right's "moral" issues, meaning opposition to abortion and gay marriage, there would most likely be a brawl. The Republican party might actually split the way that the Democrats did in 1860. I can't see the Christian Right backing away from Libertarian economics. Most of them just aren't smart enough to recognize their own self interest in that regard.
And there is the matter of the Democrats letting their own urban-based left wing keep on doing things that reinforces the siege mentality that has taken root among rural people.
I respectfully disagree. I think it is a fragile alliance between the disjointed segments of the Republican Party. As the country becomes more diverse, the appeal of the white male philosophy will pale. The party will remain but will by necessity move back to the middle.

As far as the public understanding what the Feds did during the Carter, they only understood the result. A double digit inflation that left paychecks wanting. It was not due to welfare spending as the Neocons portrayed.

And to answer old Earthman troll, yes politic have become a player in the environmental and human rights arenas. Unfortunately, due to politics the environmental concerns have been associated with a liberal agenda (socialistic) even though those doing the association were once cognizant of the problems facing us. It is simply putting Party before Country or in this case before global considerations. Some of these folks know they are lying but are more interested in self than in doing what is best for their fellow constituents.
LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#36999 Jul 14, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>"human induced global warming" is entirely political.
He said it is a political issue, not that it was political. Politics has to deal with the issues of pollution and AGW is a new form of 'thermal pollution' that needs to be addressed.

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