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There are 60675 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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Teddy R

Reston, VA

#34747 Mar 26, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
Alas! I've never been to Maryland or had the pleasure of meeting the gay circle there.
Just jerking your chain. Couldn't resist. I myself have never run across the "gay circle," even though I'm in Maryland frequently.
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>I encountered the phrase on the New York Times as used by an economist. It aptly describes posters like brian_g, tina anne and fun facts.
<quoted text>
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/19/t...
Krugman? An economist? Yeah, ok. As we share an alma mater I have to throw him a bone, and yes, on economics I probably agree with him more than disagree.

But he has long ago moved from being a center-left scholar to being a liberal polemicist - and we part ways there.
SpaceBlues

United States

#34748 Mar 26, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text> I hope you'll learn the significance of experiment to the scientific method. Then ask a climate scientist for a compelling experimental test.
LOL. You have no idea who knows what. Be clear you are the one who's ignorant in science.

"Compelling" ... haha

Any way, AGW is raging while you're not even on the first page.

Since: Aug 07

SFV

#34749 Mar 26, 2013
mememine69 wrote:
<quoted text>27 years of wrong predictions of a coming climate crisis proves it was an exaggeration and you and the neocons sit and wish this misery was real. Nice!
What's tragic is the toe dragging or knuckle dragging on trying to at least try to save ourselves. I am glad you have made money. There is nothing wrong with that. What is wrong and even down right evil is when the love of money overtakes the love of life. Human and otherwise. Greed > Life = Evil. We don't want to change for fear of disrupting the money flow.? Insanity. This "climate crisis" is real and saying otherwise is folly. You and your ilk can watch glaciers disappear and say "no they are not". This is empirical in your face data....you can see and feel it...yet you deny it. That is an impossible position to defend let alone try to sway. Finland and other northern european countries are years ahead of us in tide and water level control. We need to step it up or we are going to watch NY and N.O. disappear probably in our lifetimes. Oh, right, maybe they should just move. Insanity.
Reddy Kilowatt

Reston, VA

#34750 Mar 26, 2013
HomoSapiensLaptopicus wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, fast neutron uranium or liquid salt thorium generate smaller amounts of MUCH less dangerous waste (which for many is the limiting step). The former can even use what we currently call "waste" as fuel.
Sure, as can all fast neutron reactors.

Imagine the total waste generated by your electric power consumption over your entire life fitting in a soda can. That's a sustainable future.

Those are viable reactor designs also - let the market decide.
HomoSapiensLaptopicus wrote:
<quoted text>We still have a problem, though, in that construction of plants, mining of ore & other necessary activities associated with the industry are carbon-intensive.
Align your mind, dude - your argument is letting perfection be the enemy of the good. Irrational.

Surely you are not suggesting that these activities are even within an order of magnitude of approaching the carbon intensity of the fuel cycle activities associated with our present coal-based or natural gas-based electric power base load generation industry?

Not a wrong point, but it's a facile and fallacious rap when not applied equally to other "greeie" wind and solar technologies ON THE SAME SCALE. How many millions of wilderness acres are you willing to blight with turbines and solar panel arrays having in order to power a morden info-based society of 300 million? How many millions of tons of highly toxic metals are you comfortable seeing mined and released from manufacture of photovoltaic panels and batteries?

Since: Aug 07

SFV

#34751 Mar 26, 2013
oh and water is weight. we are melting water into the ocean. We are distributing weight differently for the entire planet. Weight that affects plate tectonics. More earthquakes and volocanic activity is in our future. The earth will force us to change. We will move but not voluntarily. We will move when a lava flow tells us too. Wondering what will happen to your precious capitalism then. Barter much?
Reddy Kilowatt

Reston, VA

#34752 Mar 26, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Agreed. Safety is still a problem as well.
Teddy <that was him> does try to bring a twist. Alas an SMR is nonexistent anyhow.
"... an SMR is nonexistent anyhow??!!"

Rank horsecrap - you certainly know better:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_modular_re...

Dozens of competing SMRs to choose from, at various stages of the licensing process.

Certainly FAR, FAR closer to large-scale production reality than any competing green, renewable, carbon-free, sustainable, low-cost base load generation technology option out there.

And stop with the flip neo-Luddite "safety" scaremongering - it's unworthy of you. ALL technologies have safety problems. They are being and have been addressed - as the licenses will certify.
Teddy R

Reston, VA

#34753 Mar 26, 2013
dekajed wrote:
oh and water is weight. we are melting water into the ocean. We are distributing weight differently for the entire planet. Weight that affects plate tectonics. More earthquakes and volocanic activity is in our future.
Please tell me you're joking.

Did you run any numbers on this delta water weight vs. total crustal mass for yourself before posting?

Your post is on a par with this moron's statements:

SpaceBlues

United States

#34754 Mar 26, 2013
Reddy Kilowatt wrote:
<quoted text>
"... an SMR is nonexistent anyhow??!!"
Rank horsecrap - you certainly know better:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_modular_re...
Dozens of competing SMRs to choose from, at various stages of the licensing process.
Certainly FAR, FAR closer to large-scale production reality than any competing green, renewable, carbon-free, sustainable, low-cost base load generation technology option out there.
And stop with the flip neo-Luddite "safety" scaremongering - it's unworthy of you. ALL technologies have safety problems. They are being and have been addressed - as the licenses will certify.
Of course, I know better. Teddy is WRONG again... I'm puzzled that Teddy is not ready to read:

Small modular reactors (SMRs) are part of a new generation of nuclear power plant designs being developed in several countries.[from Wikipedia, Teddy's link]

Read: "designs being developed"

So an SMR, even just one, is nonexistent. Of course I was RIGHT!

There goes Teddy's credibility move into the horsecrap pile...:-)
Reddy Kilowatt

Reston, VA

#34755 Mar 26, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Of course, I know better. Teddy is WRONG again... I'm puzzled that Teddy is not ready to read:
Small modular reactors (SMRs) are part of a new generation of nuclear power plant designs being developed in several countries.[from Wikipedia, Teddy's link]
Read: "designs being developed"
So an SMR, even just one, is nonexistent. Of course I was RIGHT!
There goes Teddy's credibility move into the horsecrap pile...:-)
Your bullshit strawman twisting of my post makes it clear you are the one with intentional reading comprehension deficit.

I posted: "Dozens of competing SMRs to choose from, AT VARIOUS STAGES OF THE LICENSING PROCESS."

"Certainly FAR, FAR closer to large-scale production reality than any competing green, renewable, carbon-free, sustainable, low-cost base load generation technology option out there."

NOWHERE did I say there was an SMR presently in commercial operation - that's YOUR bullshit invention - putting words in my mouth.

Where's YOUR green, carbon-free, renewable, sustainable, economically viable technology solution for replacing this nation of 300 million's carbon-fired base load power generation capacity any faster?

Oh - that's right - you don't have any solution. You're proudly part of perpetuating the problem, Mr. "Scientist."

Of course, if you DO have a superior green, carbon-free, renewable, sustainable, economically viable technology solution for replacing this nation of 300 million's carbon-fired base load power generation capacity any faster than a crash program to build SMRs, let's hear it. And please do hurry - we're cooking the planet while you pontificate and posture.

Otherwise, there goes SpaceCase's credibility right back into the horsecrap pile...
SpaceBlues

United States

#34756 Mar 26, 2013
Hey Teddy the unready for the public ..

Read my previous post.
Reddy Kilowatt

Reston, VA

#34758 Mar 26, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
Hey Teddy the unready for the public ..
Read my previous post.
Translation: "I got nothing. I've been owned"

Your previous post?

Flushed. Took two flushes, in fact, it was so rancid.

Do get right back to us with your superior solution to save the planet, mmm-k?
litesong

Everett, WA

#34759 Mar 26, 2013
brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver wrote:
I'm not a scientist.
Stop telling me what to wish for....... relief from SB's bullying posts.
I hope I make myself clear.....
My opinion of science has some worth.
brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver" clearly is & wishes to be a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AND 4 time alleged & 3 time proud threatener. brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver" isn't a scientist because he couldn't even get upper class science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra or pre-calc in its poorly earned hi skule DEE-plooomaa. Of course, the science opinion of brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver" has no worth, since he has mathematics errors of 1 million TIMES, 1000 TIMES, 3000 TIMES, & 73 million TIMES.
SpaceBlues

United States

#34760 Mar 26, 2013
Teddy is rynning a scam with Reddy ...
SpaceBlues

United States

#34761 Mar 26, 2013
Correction ... Teddy IS running a scam with Reddy.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#34762 Mar 26, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Wikipedia scores its pages, the quality is listed as 'Start Class' Here's what the score means:
"The article has a usable amount of good content but is weak in many areas, usually in referencing. Quality of the prose may be distinctly unencyclopedic, and MoS compliance non-existent; but the article should satisfy fundamental content policies such as notability and BLP, and provide enough sources to establish verifiability. No Start-Class article should be in any danger of being speedily deleted."
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<quoted text>That's right, only humans can perform experiments. Experiments can be done in the field, in a hospital or in the lab; the location isn't important but the procedure to control variables is important.
.
<quoted text>The word 'goal' means the experiment is deliberate.
I'll repeat the definition so you can learn more:
"An experiment is a orderly procedure carried out with the goal of verifying, falsifying, or establishing the validity of a hypothesis. "
Sorry, Charlie, only the best deniers can answer questions correctly (some of the time).

Recall Jane Goodall's account of a chimp experimenting with the best way to get plenty of those tasty termites by inserting and re-inserting a stick into the mound and licking off the bugs which clung to it when withdrawn.

If I felt like researching or if I had the time, I'd cite a few more instances of animals conducting experiments for your dumb ass, but that's one good example. You've probably forgotten (or maybe you never did it) the ways in which children experiment in life, in order to learn, and without a rules-master like you overseeing them.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#34763 Mar 26, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>"A natural experiment is an empirical study in which the experimental conditions (i.e., which units receive which treatment) are determined by nature or by other factors out of the control of the experimenters and yet the treatment assignment process is arguably exogenous."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_experime...
So now do you understand the variety of what we call experiments?

Or are you still as dogmatic and restricted as any other conservative off the street?
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#34764 Mar 26, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
Teddy is rynning a scam with Reddy ...
Brain has called in reinforcements....

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#34765 Mar 26, 2013
Reddy Kilowatt wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure, as can all fast neutron reactors.
Imagine the total waste generated by your electric power consumption over your entire life fitting in a soda can. That's a sustainable future.
Those are viable reactor designs also - let the market decide.
<quoted text>
Align your mind, dude - your argument is letting perfection be the enemy of the good. Irrational.
Surely you are not suggesting that these activities are even within an order of magnitude of approaching the carbon intensity of the fuel cycle activities associated with our present coal-based or natural gas-based electric power base load generation industry?
Not a wrong point, but it's a facile and fallacious rap when not applied equally to other "greeie" wind and solar technologies ON THE SAME SCALE. How many millions of wilderness acres are you willing to blight with turbines and solar panel arrays having in order to power a morden info-based society of 300 million? How many millions of tons of highly toxic metals are you comfortable seeing mined and released from manufacture of photovoltaic panels and batteries?
It would be better if we could do more mining & construction actvities with lower carbon energy. Hopefully it'll be possble in the future.

There are some green(ish) technologies that are already price-competitive with fossil fuels: geothermal, hydropower, wind. And that's without a carbon tax or carbon sequestraion, which will certainly be necessary in the future.

Considerable research is still being done on other forms of hydropower (current, wave, tide, etc). Photovoltaic power is still a ways off, but passive solar heating systems work quite well.

Actually, lots of birds die in collisions with skyscrapers & motor vehicles; it isn't just windmills that kill them. And I HOPE you're not putting much trust in the journalistic standards of the telegraph.co.uk. They often don't "rise" to the level of the National Enquirer.

Lastly, if we could ever mine the Helium-3 in the lunar mare & develop fusion that emitted few neutrons, we'd have barely conceivable amounts of energy available. The reactions without D2O run hotter, though.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#34766 Mar 26, 2013
By John Roach, Contributing Writer, NBC News

Most of the sea ice that forms each fall and winter in the Arctic now melts each spring and summer, a recent change that is impacting global patterns of weather and trade as well as the U.S. military's strategic planning, experts told reporters during a briefing Tuesday.

"There are tremendous two-way and multiple interactions between the Arctic and the rest of the world," retired Rear Adm. David Titley said during the teleconference organized by Climate Nexus, a group trying to raise awareness about climate change.

Experts tied the melting ice in the Arctic to the recent spate of stormy winter weather in parts of the U.S. and Europe. They also noted that the prospect of ice-free summers in the Arctic as soon as 2030 is already impacting international trade and U.S. Navy plans to protect Arctic resources.

The briefing was held the day after the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) announced that the Arctic sea ice reached its maximum reach for the year on March 15, covering 5.84 million square miles. This is the sixth lowest maximum sea ice coverage in the 35-year satellite record.

"The last 10 years have been the lowest 10 years," said Walt Meier, a research scientist at the NSIDC. He added that while this year was low, "we actually have the largest growth of ice in our record from the minimum to the maximum" primarily because the ice was recovering from the record low in 2012.

In addition to the shrinking extent of sea ice, the remaining ice is thinning perhaps twice as fast as the observed ice extent, noted Wieslaw Maslowski, an oceanographer at the U.S. Naval Postgraduate School.

>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >

Those damn Navy liberals!
PHD

Cibolo, TX

#34767 Mar 27, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Of course, I know better. Teddy is WRONG again... I'm puzzled that Teddy is not ready to read:
Small modular reactors (SMRs) are part of a new generation of nuclear power plant designs being developed in several countries.[from Wikipedia, Teddy's link]
Read: "designs being developed"
So an SMR, even just one, is nonexistent. Of course I was RIGHT!
There goes Teddy's credibility move into the horsecrap pile...:-)
More and more that’s all the "spacedoutblues” has more and more diarrheas.

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