Harrogate firemen, chief quit

Harrogate firemen, chief quit

There are 102 comments on the WBIR Knoxville story from Mar 19, 2008, titled Harrogate firemen, chief quit. In it, WBIR Knoxville reports that:

Harrogate's volunteer fire department is without a fire chief and most of its firemen.

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HVFD

United States

#21 Mar 20, 2008
I might also add the reason I stuck with Harrogate is because the safety of the community comes before my personal opinions, thoughts, and such.
hvfd

Anderson, SC

#22 Mar 20, 2008
the facts are straight all there are i think six members left in the dept. and the mayor is at wrong on this he is asking for help from other departments when he is the one who just turned down the help from cumberland gap the mayor just likes liyig on tv. several of us was at the city hall when he said he wouldnt sign it

the six members left are not trained two has been to the fire academy but one lives far from the station one is not even old enough one works all the time one dont even know how to hold a fire hose

vote fultz out
Conscientious Objector

Pineville, KY

#23 Mar 20, 2008
I will say this:

The people who did not quit are all GOOD PEOPLE. There's no disputing that. The majority of the six who remain are good moral people who aren't looking to gain anything but merely to protect their own homes and property which is why everyone joined to begin with.

The Harrogate department was the brain child of the now resigned chief and a councilman who probably would prefer to remain anonymous. They were worried because there wasn't sufficient coverage given to the city by a department formerly there.

By the way, that department used a building belonging to the city and were asked to leave so that the city's trucks could go there. That department destroyed the property before leaving. They stole permanent fixtures from the building which they had not purchased, they damaged the building, they left it in far worse condition than they found it. But that's a whole different ball of yarn, isn't it? Suffice it to say that the Harrogate Volunteers worked VERY hard along with some paid laborers to repair that damage and restore that building to its current usable status.

It's a shame that politics and egomaniacal behaviors have brought it all to the point that people are being alienated or forced to choose sides. I'm sure that all the Harrogate firefighters feel like the children of an UGLY divorce and they deserve better.

There is plenty of responsibility to go around in this situation. Too bad everyone is too busy to suck it up and take some responsibility for things they've said and done. The blame game is stupid and immature.

Just for the sake of reference, meeting minutes should be checked. If they're accurate, they will tell the tale.
blossom 409

United States

#24 Mar 20, 2008
chris wrote:
one of the guys stated they wanted to do what was "right", what is right is to stick by the community, it did get passed, and that was the main issue. to do what was right was to remember why you JOIN a fire dept, it isnt about politics.
the major shouldnt have to look into anything further when it comes to asking help from another area to save his Own community. that should happen without a vote
fire depts helping others should be a automatic reaction, the ego things can happen later when our lands around us arent threatened, or someone's home is being lost by fire.
i think this was all a personel thing between the chief and the mayor, its a shame the community will suffer from this
being on a vol fire dept, im ashamed at the chief and the men who followed him. your request was passed, who cares who voted on it. it shouldnt have needed a vote, but since people like that feel of control..fine. but it did get passed. that is something that should have relieved you, not have the vote go in your favor, and then quit.
maybe this is a blessing in disquise, if you quit now, no telling what you would do when some tradegy happens
its time all of you men so proud to quit a job YOU decided to do, think back to what you have really done to your community, and think back on your own morals...you should be Ashamed
I think you missed the main point,,,
Harrogate Resident

Aiken, SC

#25 Mar 20, 2008
The whole problem with this is that we have volunteers who work the fire dept. and since we have had this mayor he has backed them, helped to get a grant to pay for a new fire department and some new equipment. They (some of the volunteers)
think they are in the NYFD and want all the great benefits that hired paid fire fighters get. If they are really interested in helping the community they will kept on volunteering and work with the HARROGATE officials to get what they want.
Objector

Pineville, KY

#26 Mar 20, 2008
The mayor didn't help them get s**t you moron, the Chief is the one who wrote the successful grants. Get your story straight, they didn't ask for benefits--they asked for a little fuel money, like the neighboring community gives its volunteers per run. It is not a paid fire dept thing, it's a reimbursement. Tazewell does it, it's really not much to ask.

By the way, the building wasn't on a grant, it's a loan the city has to pay that money back. I suspect it will be the problem of a new mayor after Captain Corrupt is dethroned!
lil ol me

Anderson, SC

#27 Mar 20, 2008
I have only lived in Harrogate for a short while but it was immediately clear to me that the mayors office has its own agenda. Bullying residents into agreements they don't want to take part in and denying them services they would normally receive when they stand up for themselves. This fire department issue is just one of many examples of his "WHATEVER BENEFITS ME" attitude. I applaud anyone standing up to this man who needs to be reminded that he does not own Harrogate!
BYE JOHN

United States

#28 Mar 20, 2008
You all dont know Mr Adams. He has always caused trouble in our county fire and emergency services. He has been into and cussed out every other department in the county at some point. He has took the county and Harrogate for a ride for way too long. He has sold Harrogate and Cumberland Gap several old worn out fire trucks which he bought and "fixed up" at his machine shop. It is untelling how many thousands of dollars he has stole. Harrogate is MUCH MUCH better without him. Glad you finally got smart Bill. Harrogate has a mutual aid agreement with every department in the county and has for years. Glad you are gone John. Sorry the Gap has to deal with you.
Some firefighter

Kingston, TN

#29 Mar 20, 2008
I don't really understand what the issue is. The introduction of NIMS prompted TN to institute a regional mutual aid agreement for all departments. KFD and Rural/Metro or any of the volunteer departments don't have an "automatic" mutual aid agreement, but if it hits the fan, aid can be given. Why are they asking the Mayor's permission in the first place? And as far as all of those guys leaving over one issue...that obviously wasn't the only issue, and if you wanna just walk out on your department and your community, then good riddens. The better option would be to continue doing what you joined for in the first place, and when every house is a total loss because there is no one to respond, maybe the public will eventually get fed up.

I completely understand the frustrations of being a volunteer, but as a paid ff as well, I know that politics are bad in both places, the issues are just a little different. A firefighter anywhere should never expect to get all of the things that we need to do our job adequately because no one cares until it affects them personally. It will never change until we stop caring about our neighbors and our communities. Because, I can't speak for all firemen, but I volunteer out of a true desire to help others.

As long as myself and others like me are willing to do that for free, driving our own vehicles, lacking adequate equipment, funding, resources, training, support, etc., politicians will continue to put us last on the list. It is really sad since we are always the FIRST ones there in ANY emergency. We are there before the police (who have always been deeply respected, and rarely unpaid). We are there before medical personnel (who are also under appreciated), yet we always seem to come in last. So, whattya do? Truly sad.
johnny

Minneapolis, MN

#30 Mar 20, 2008
hvfd wrote:
the facts are straight all there are i think six members left in the dept. and the mayor is at wrong on this he is asking for help from other departments when he is the one who just turned down the help from cumberland gap the mayor just likes liyig on tv. several of us was at the city hall when he said he wouldnt sign it
the six members left are not trained two has been to the fire academy but one lives far from the station one is not even old enough one works all the time one dont even know how to hold a fire hose
vote fultz out
not old enough to work and one cant even hold the hose, do they even have drivers license to drive the truck.....
Time

Murfreesboro, TN

#31 Mar 20, 2008
Conscientious Objector wrote:
The mayor has blatantly lied and the whole story hasn't been told. He is a micromanager and he has the attitude that he is the mayor and no matter what the council votes, he will do as he darned well pleases.
He likes to lie to the camera to make himself look good but the truth is that this is NOT about ONE issue, but about months of issues culminating in Monday night's meeting.
Unfortunately power has gone to his head. He no longer cares what the majority of his constituents want.
If this is true, time to ask for his resignation. The people should get together on this and take back their government, like Knox is trying to do.
hvfd

United States

#32 Mar 20, 2008
johnny wrote:
<quoted text> not old enough to work and one cant even hold the hose, do they even have drivers license to drive the truck.....
ONE IS SIXTEEN AND HAS LISENCES TO DRIVE A CAR BUT NOT A FIRE TRUCK
real news

Aiken, SC

#33 Mar 20, 2008
Everybody will just have to put up with what is going on in Harrogate because the way I understand it the mayor has just been re-elected.
The funny thing to me is when i moved here this place didn't have --it. Mr. Fultz has went through this community working on his own time trying to get something for us on this side of the river. He has the --lls that you were talking about to get something done. The thing about this place is too many people are to ignorant to know how to get business done. GROW UP PEOPLE !!!
Debbie

United States

#34 Mar 20, 2008
If this doesn't give the citizens of Harrogate the incentive to get rid of Mayor Fultz what will? It is time for his smart mouth to go.
Objector

Pineville, KY

#35 Mar 20, 2008
BYE JOHN wrote:
You all dont know Mr Adams. He has always caused trouble in our county fire and emergency services. He has been into and cussed out every other department in the county at some point. He has took the county and Harrogate for a ride for way too long. He has sold Harrogate and Cumberland Gap several old worn out fire trucks which he bought and "fixed up" at his machine shop. It is untelling how many thousands of dollars he has stole. Harrogate is MUCH MUCH better without him. Glad you finally got smart Bill. Harrogate has a mutual aid agreement with every department in the county and has for years. Glad you are gone John. Sorry the Gap has to deal with you.
Once again we have a moron who has no clue what the h**l he/she is talking about. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT. Mr. Adams NEVER sold any equipment to Cumberland Gap. Mr. Adams refused to make ANY PROFIT on the trucks he procured for Harrogate. He rarely billed for labor and when he did it was at a rate below the rate shown on the pricing board of his business because he wanted to help the city and the department.

Furthermore, he kept the trucks inside his shop so they would not freeze last winter when it cost him a significant amount of money to heat a building which otherwise would not have been heated at night.

Any time that he or anyone affiliated with his business has gone to procure parts or equipment, receipts were given to city hall and there was not any "money stole" as you put it so illiterately. You should know the truth. If you don't, shame on the person who lied to you. If you do, shame on you for being a filthy liar.
Hard Ball 606

Ooltewah, TN

#36 Mar 20, 2008
Nothing here surprises me. The City of Harrogate, the largest municipality in Claiborne County, could care less about public safety for its citizens. i challenge someone to identify a city in the State of Tennesse, the size of Harrogate, that does NOT have a fire dept and a POLICE Department, to protect its citizens. Enough of parks, tennis courts, walking trails, trees, etc being put in front public safety concerns.
Debbie

United States

#37 Mar 20, 2008
red rover wrote:
the mayor and his two greedy cohorts is the REAL story, Paul Harvey says. Nevermind that he fire department cannot put out fires. Nevermind that the citizens of Harrogate will not receive the 30% discount in their insurance rates. Nevermind that this is only a scratch on the surface.
The REAL STORY is the growing greed, graft and corruption that a formerly good mayor has fallen into. Is it in part because of his similarly greedy and sanctimonius councilman partner, Mr. White?
The subdivision partnership (mr. mayor, mr. councilman and mrs. wife of the firehall and sewer installation contractor)is evidence of the acculumation of funds that taxpayers have been ripped off of, while these individuals have lined their pockets.
It should be investigated that the sewer lines are now being re-routed to accomodate the future residents of the new subdivision on highway 63 and owned by mr.s white, fultz and ms. christian.
The community is being fed the baloney that the Cancer treatment center requires this. What a lie and what a joke. The truth is that it is a way for the terrific threesome to further bleed the city budget and residents.
There is clear evidence available about three guys gone bad.
Someone needs to step in and show that this is going to be stopped.
Councilman White. Shame on you! Masquerading under a moral blanket and slipping citizens funds into you pocket.
Mayor Fultz. Is the profit you are making for gouged gasoline prices not enough for you to live on? The word is out in the city. Your construction partner sends you a "stipend" for each "job" you give him. We even know the exact amount. We will likely share that information later.
Simply put. Enough of the King of Harrogate is enough. It is time that it comes to a stop and honesty returns to the City Hall.
Wow. What a story. We are not taxed in the City of Harrogate so I am assuming that grant money is being used to fund this subdivision project. Can you shed some light on this?
blue eyes

United States

#38 Mar 20, 2008
Bill Fultz term as mayor runs to 2010.The city will be shot to hell by then.He and Charles White will have totally ruined us.Charles White has not gone bad,he has ALWAYS been a greedy bastard,just ask anyone who worked with him at Appolo Fuels,where he finally got fired from.Rob Christian was recently bankrupt,gets hooked up with "GREEDY BILL"and now has new equipment,trucks,etc.Why can't there be a state audit on the funds spent in the last two years
bill

Montgomery, AL

#39 Mar 20, 2008
How safe is harrogate now? If the vfd was dispatched right now two firemen are working out of town and one is out of the state. the remaining are juniors. so- unitl dispatch figured out that there was no responce how long would it be? then they would dispatch cumberland gap. so sign the agreement major.
Ronald Goins

United States

#40 Mar 20, 2008
BYE JOHN wrote:
You all dont know Mr Adams. He has always caused trouble in our county fire and emergency services. He has been into and cussed out every other department in the county at some point. He has took the county and Harrogate for a ride for way too long. He has sold Harrogate and Cumberland Gap several old worn out fire trucks which he bought and "fixed up" at his machine shop. It is untelling how many thousands of dollars he has stole. Harrogate is MUCH MUCH better without him. Glad you finally got smart Bill. Harrogate has a mutual aid agreement with every department in the county and has for years. Glad you are gone John. Sorry the Gap has to deal with you.
I would like to state for the public how moronic you just appeared. Someone who can build and establish a Fire Department obviously doesn't need to be gone. Someone who can maintain the Fire trucks obviously doesn't need to be gone. Someone who can transform a dump (Shawnee station) into a Fire Department obviously doesn't need to be gone.
The city of Harrogate will NEVER be better off without John Adams.

The original poster of this must be related to Charles White, because YOU sir, are as dumb as he is.

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