US Justice Department and race

US Justice Department and race

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Old Joe Clark

Harrodsburg, KY

#1 Sep 1, 2013
Eric Holder and the U.S. Justice Department have recently made strong statements about race.

1. In 2008 the state of Louisiana took a step to help poor kids in non functioning schools in the city of New Orleans to escape and seek an education in better schools. Since that the program has been expanded statewide. No money is taken to regular school funds since the money for vouchers is coming from other sources. MOST OF THE STUDENTS WHO USED VOUCHERS HAVE BEEN BLACK KIDS. Holder's justice department has moved to force Louisiana to cause these lucky black kids to be moved back into failing schools.

One has to wonder which is more important to Holder, bright black kids having a chance or intergradation laws or the power of the teacher's union which does not favor vouchers.

2. Texas has recently approved a voter ID law. In order to vote in Texas a voter ID must be presented in order to prove the voter's identity. One can use his or her driver's license or the state will provide a picture ID free of charge. Holder thinks that this law is racist and he is seeking to block it. His argument would be valid it Texas did not give free ID and all the voter would have to do is pick it up. After all, all voters have to register. If one can register to vote common sense says one could pick up the card. Holder says this law is racist. That seems foolish since it would apply to all who wished to vote.

Is Holder, and his boss Obama seeking racial justice or are they playing politics for money and votes?

Since: Oct 12

Baltimore, Maryland

#2 Sep 1, 2013
Old Joe Clark wrote:
2. Texas has recently approved a voter ID law. In order to vote in Texas a voter ID must be presented in order to prove the voter's identity. One can use his or her driver's license or the state will provide a picture ID free of charge. Holder thinks that this law is racist and he is seeking to block it. His argument would be valid it Texas did not give free ID and all the voter would have to do is pick it up. After all, all voters have to register. If one can register to vote common sense says one could pick up the card. Holder says this law is racist. That seems foolish since it would apply to all who wished to vote.
Is Holder, and his boss Obama seeking racial justice or are they playing politics for money and votes?
Wrong. You have to present a state certified copy of your birth certificate. That costs $22.00. Voting is supposed to be free. There can be no charges or fees associated with it.

You may not know this, but I take voting very seriously and have volunteered to be a poll worker several times. Do you know what a provisional ballot is? Do you really think that voting fraud is common enough that these laws are needed? Or is it a desperate attempt to disenfranchise traditionally Democratic voters as Texas slowly becomes a battleground state?

Now since we have you here, you've got some unanswered questions back in the Paula Deen thread you started. Or did you realize you painted yourself into a corner and thought it best not to answer?
Old Joe Clark

Harrodsburg, KY

#3 Sep 2, 2013
One True Digger wrote:
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Wrong. You have to present a state certified copy of your birth certificate. That costs $22.00. Voting is supposed to be free. There can be no charges or fees associated with it.
You may not know this, but I take voting very seriously and have volunteered to be a poll worker several times. Do you know what a provisional ballot is? Do you really think that voting fraud is common enough that these laws are needed? Or is it a desperate attempt to disenfranchise traditionally Democratic voters as Texas slowly becomes a battleground state?
Now since we have you here, you've got some unanswered questions back in the Paula Deen thread you started. Or did you realize you painted yourself into a corner and thought it best not to answer?
When I vote in this county the poll workers know me as they know many, if not all people who vote. If one ask me for proof, I would simply hand him my driver's license and think nothing of it.

As usual, you are dead wrong about the Texas voting law. There is no requirement for a birth certificate. The law calls for a "government issued picture Id." If the voter does not have one Texas will provide one free. It is that simple. The law applies to both black and white people. Within the past several years black voters have become energized, as they should be. Democratic "get out the vote" will make certain that all voters of all races will secure a picture ID.

Holder's suit is, IMO a ploy to appeal to the Democratic base and demonstrate his, as well as Obama's support of the black community or to put it more simply, race baiting.

I stated earlier that I did not intend to respond to your nonsense about Deen. I could not let your foolish birth certificate statement stand. Why would I respond to your equally foolish Paula Deen statement?
tick tock

Tampa, FL

#4 Sep 2, 2013
What proof of identity do you need for the "free" ID card?

Since: Oct 12

Baltimore, Maryland

#5 Sep 3, 2013
Old Joe Clark wrote:
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As usual, you are dead wrong about the Texas voting law. There is no requirement for a birth certificate.
As usual, I am dead right.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/08/23/controvers...

"The complaint adds that to get a free Election Identification Card, a person must pay either $22 for a certified copy of their birth certificate or $345 for a copy of naturalization and citizenship papers. State data also shows that Hispanic and African-American citizens are more likely not to possess a state-issued ID."
driver1

Harrodsburg, KY

#6 Sep 3, 2013
If you are a citizen "legal", then you should have the necessary papers. Everyone should have a copy of their birth certificate. Bart, it never has been about disenfranchisement, as much as you pretend it is. It's about ensuring the integrity of
voting.
tick tock

Bethel, OH

#7 Sep 3, 2013
Damn Joe! That's what you call getting owned! So who's the fool now? Looks like you do have to have a birth certificate!
Old Joe Clark

Harrodsburg, KY

#8 Sep 3, 2013
One True Digger wrote:
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As usual, I am dead right.
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/08/23/controvers...
"The complaint adds that to get a free Election Identification Card, a person must pay either $22 for a certified copy of their birth certificate or $345 for a copy of naturalization and citizenship papers. State data also shows that Hispanic and African-American citizens are more likely not to possess a state-issued ID."
Even an idiot knows that for a person to vote the state must know who the voter is, if he or she is U.S. citizen, and if he resides in the proper voting area.

The state of Texas requires either primary or secondary identification in order to secure either a driver's license or a state issued ID card. The law applies to all persons, black, white, yellow or even purple. There are almost 20 primary sources of identification and several secondary sources, of which is the birth certificate.

So yes, if the person desiring to vote has no other proof a birth certificate could be asked for. Most people that I know have a copy of their birth certificate. Twenty two dollars seems a small amount to pay to exercise your voting rights, if that is all that a person has to prove his identity.

Obama and Holder are playing politics. At present the Texas legislature and governor are Republicans. These two Democrats should be in the forefront of supporting voter integrity rather than playing politics.

Those people who have become naturalized are issued the proper papers. I would assume that they would keep their papers. If lost, yes they would have to secure another copy. Would you not agree that one should have to prove citizenship in order to vote?

Since: Oct 12

Baltimore, Maryland

#9 Sep 3, 2013
Old Joe Clark wrote:
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Even an idiot knows that for a person to vote the state must know who the voter is, if he or she is U.S. citizen, and if he resides in the proper voting area.
The state of Texas requires either primary or secondary identification in order to secure either a driver's license or a state issued ID card. The law applies to all persons, black, white, yellow or even purple. There are almost 20 primary sources of identification and several secondary sources, of which is the birth certificate.
So yes, if the person desiring to vote has no other proof a birth certificate could be asked for. Most people that I know have a copy of their birth certificate. Twenty two dollars seems a small amount to pay to exercise your voting rights, if that is all that a person has to prove his identity.
Obama and Holder are playing politics. At present the Texas legislature and governor are Republicans. These two Democrats should be in the forefront of supporting voter integrity rather than playing politics.
Those people who have become naturalized are issued the proper papers. I would assume that they would keep their papers. If lost, yes they would have to secure another copy. Would you not agree that one should have to prove citizenship in order to vote?
So in other words, you were wrong. You do have to have at minimum a state certified copy of your birth certificate. That's not the cute one your momma got at the hospital with the footprints on it. That's one you have to buy from the state.

You were wrong.

"Twenty two dollars seems a small amount to pay to exercise your voting rights..." As I said in my first post, voting is a RIGHT and there is to be no cost associated with exercising that right.

By making this statement, you have again backtracked. It is not "absolutely free."

"There are almost 20 primary sources of identification and several secondary sources, of which is the birth certificate. " - Please list them and be prepared to back it up with sources.
i said it

El Monte, CA

#10 Sep 4, 2013
One True Digger wrote:
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Wrong. You have to present a state certified copy of your birth certificate. That costs $22.00. Voting is supposed to be free. There can be no charges or fees associated with it.
You may not know this, but I take voting very seriously and have volunteered to be a poll worker several times. Do you know what a provisional ballot is? Do you really think that voting fraud is common enough that these laws are needed? Or is it a desperate attempt to disenfranchise traditionally Democratic voters as Texas slowly becomes a battleground state?
Now since we have you here, you've got some unanswered questions back in the Paula Deen thread you started. Or did you realize you painted yourself into a corner and thought it best not to answer?
one true digger, just want to tell you something.-I LikeYou. I read a lot of your post. It's nice to read post from people who know how to use their brains.You have my respect and I don't even know you.
grim reaper

Harrodsburg, KY

#11 Sep 4, 2013
i said it wrote:
<quoted text> one true digger, just want to tell you something.-I LikeYou. I read a lot of your post. It's nice to read post from people who know how to use their brains.You have my respect and I don't even know you.
digger is full of sh*t
Not

United States

#12 Sep 4, 2013
i said it wrote:
<quoted text> one true digger, just want to tell you something.-I LikeYou. I read a lot of your post. It's nice to read post from people who know how to use their brains.You have my respect and I don't even know you.
Well , congrats to you . He is the biggest Narsississt on this Topix . You will find out he is a phony , spoonfed , bullshi#ter ever .
Universal Translator

Lexington, KY

#13 Sep 4, 2013
Not wrote:
<quoted text> Well , congrats to you . He is the biggest Narsississt on this Topix . You will find out he is a phony , spoonfed , bullshi#ter ever .
Translation: "He makes me and people I agree with look ignorant. I do not like him for this reason."
Old Joe Clark

Harrodsburg, KY

#14 Sep 4, 2013
One True Digger wrote:
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So in other words, you were wrong. You do have to have at minimum a state certified copy of your birth certificate. That's not the cute one your momma got at the hospital with the footprints on it. That's one you have to buy from the state.
You were wrong.
"Twenty two dollars seems a small amount to pay to exercise your voting rights..." As I said in my first post, voting is a RIGHT and there is to be no cost associated with exercising that right.
By making this statement, you have again backtracked. It is not "absolutely free."
"There are almost 20 primary sources of identification and several secondary sources, of which is the birth certificate. " - Please list them and be prepared to back it up with sources.
You can easily find the requirements for a Texas Driver's license or a free Texas ID card in you google "Texas Department of Public Safety."
I understood you to say that Texas now requires a birth certificate in order to vote. Of course that is wrong. They do require a picture ID. If you investigate, you will find that the requirement of identify proof are the same for both the driver's license and free picture ID.

So riddle me this: how could a picture ID be issued without proof that the person who is requesting it is who he says he is? Is it your belief that I should be able to claim that I am you and be allowed to vote?

The Texas law applies to all races and rich and poor. How can it be discriminatory if it applies to everyone. Holder says that there are more black poor than white and that is true. But on an individual basis it applies to the poor whites as well as blacks.

IMO, this suit is pure politics.

Since: Oct 12

Baltimore, Maryland

#15 Sep 4, 2013
Old Joe Clark wrote:
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You can easily find the requirements for a Texas Driver's license or a free Texas ID card in you google "Texas Department of Public Safety."
I understood you to say that Texas now requires a birth certificate in order to vote. Of course that is wrong. They do require a picture ID. If you investigate, you will find that the requirement of identify proof are the same for both the driver's license and free picture ID.
So riddle me this: how could a picture ID be issued without proof that the person who is requesting it is who he says he is? Is it your belief that I should be able to claim that I am you and be allowed to vote?
The Texas law applies to all races and rich and poor. How can it be discriminatory if it applies to everyone. Holder says that there are more black poor than white and that is true. But on an individual basis it applies to the poor whites as well as blacks.
IMO, this suit is pure politics.
In other words, you can't list the 20 items can you? The birth certificate is cheapest route and it costs $22. All of the primary sources of ID costs money and they are things most people don't have like a passport.

I never said that Texas requires a birth certificate to vote, and you didn't understand it that way. You were just wrong. Sure the ID is free... if you buy one of these other documents.

It's really simple, "Edward", you bring other forms of identification that doesn't cost anything. You bring your social security card and a piece of mail with your name and address on it. It can then be checked against the registered voter rolls.

Proof of citizenship and place of residence should NOT be determined at the polling place. That should be already determined when the person registers.

Kentucky, for example, does not require a photo ID. You can vote in Kentucky if you present a social security card. Still even if you have no ID, you are allowed to cast a provisional ballot. Do you even understand what that is? Go look it up real quick.

The same thing should apply in Texas. There should be no requirement whatsoever to give the government money in order to vote.

As far as "IMO," you've shown that you're not sufficiently informed for your opinion to matter.
Not

Jericho, NY

#16 Sep 4, 2013
Universal Translator wrote:
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Translation: "He makes me and people I agree with look ignorant. I do not like him for this reason."
Not at all you are so wrong . You are either bart or some wannabe which makes you both look more pathetic . Surely you jest ! Ha.! Who wants to be he ?
Not

United States

#17 Sep 4, 2013
by the way , what's going on in the stinky city of Baltimore ? Baltimore - Bart . Oh , I get it . Bart why don't you ever talk about your "hometown" called Baltimore ? Anything at all .
Nutz

Harrodsburg, KY

#18 Sep 5, 2013
Why the irrational fear for needing an ID to vote?

The Leftist arguments are weak at best.

Please present concrete proof that voter suppression would occur if an ID was required.
heard enuff

El Monte, CA

#19 Sep 5, 2013
I would like to suggest a colon cleanser. You can purchase them at drugstores. They may help the people who are full of shit.
Horse Sense

Harrodsburg, KY

#20 Sep 5, 2013
heard enuff wrote:
I would like to suggest a colon cleanser. You can purchase them at drugstores. They may help the people who are full of shit.
Typical of the ignorant. Voting is critical in a democracy. It is the only voice that we have. A discussion of how to vote is important and those who have heard enuff are simply showing stupidly.

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