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Entering stage one with Obama Care disaster.

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Mike

Danville, KY

#1 Oct 29, 2013
The middle class.

Since: Oct 12

Baltimore, Maryland

#2 Oct 29, 2013
What a bunch of crybabies. As we grow closer the one year anniversary of President Obama's reelection, you can expect to see more whining and crying.

Kentucky loves it's version of Obamacare. Kynect has helped thousands of people get insurance who couldn't afford it before, or find a cheaper plan.

BTW... don't you draw disability and have a medical card already, Mike?
Uncle Joe

Harrodsburg, KY

#3 Oct 29, 2013
One needs to simply do the math. Thousands of dollars in tax rebates for families of four earning 40,000, 50,000 or even 70,000 d0llars per year. Millions added to Medicaid rolls. Millions of people with preexisting conditions now enrolled.
Two things are bound to happen.(1) Taxes must go up to pay for the rebates and for the new Medicaid precipitants. This money must come from somewhere and the tax payer will catch it in the neck.(2) The cost of insurance must go up. It already is for those who must buy their insurance. Those retired people, state workers and people work in the business world had better get ready. You are going to pay more.

The winner will be the Democratic party. Millions more are going to be dependent on the U.S. government, and who is pushing Obama care? The Democrats. But what about he pain of the working man? Surely he will rebell against the Democrats. Sure he will, but he is outnumbered by the takers.
Uncle Joe

Harrodsburg, KY

#4 Oct 29, 2013
One True Digger wrote:
What a bunch of crybabies. As we grow closer the one year anniversary of President Obama's reelection, you can expect to see more whining and crying.
Kentucky loves it's version of Obamacare. Kynect has helped thousands of people get insurance who couldn't afford it before, or find a cheaper plan.
BTW... don't you draw disability and have a medical card already, Mike?
Digger, you are a hoot. Do you enjoy making silly statements or do you just not know better?

Since: Oct 12

Baltimore, Maryland

#5 Oct 29, 2013
Uncle Joe wrote:
One needs to simply do the math. Thousands of dollars in tax rebates for families of four earning 40,000, 50,000 or even 70,000 d0llars per year. Millions added to Medicaid rolls. Millions of people with preexisting conditions now enrolled.
Two things are bound to happen.(1) Taxes must go up to pay for the rebates and for the new Medicaid precipitants. This money must come from somewhere and the tax payer will catch it in the neck.(2) The cost of insurance must go up. It already is for those who must buy their insurance. Those retired people, state workers and people work in the business world had better get ready. You are going to pay more.
The winner will be the Democratic party. Millions more are going to be dependent on the U.S. government, and who is pushing Obama care? The Democrats. But what about he pain of the working man? Surely he will rebell against the Democrats. Sure he will, but he is outnumbered by the takers.
So you don't consider the people who work minimum wage and/or part time jobs to be workers? How much per year does one need to make in your eyes to be a "working man"?

Can we also expect states with the most "takers" like Kentucky, West Virginia, Oklahoma, Texas, Mississippi, Arkansas, and Missouri to suddenly start going "red"? Because you know Kentucky is a huge "taker" state and I believe that Obama only got 37% of the vote here. Why in Leslie county, he didn't get 9% of the vote and it's a really big "taker" county with nearly 16% unemployed. Can you explain that one?
Mike

Danville, KY

#6 Oct 29, 2013
One True Digger wrote:
What a bunch of crybabies. As we grow closer the one year anniversary of President Obama's reelection, you can expect to see more whining and crying.
Kentucky loves it's version of Obamacare. Kynect has helped thousands of people get insurance who couldn't afford it before, or find a cheaper plan.
BTW... don't you draw disability and have a medical card already, Mike?
Digger this law was a setup for failure,millions are having their policies cancelled,this law depends on the young enrolling,that want happen since most of them are on their parents policies till age 26 and most want join up because they feel it's an intrusion on their freedom.This is just another failure on a president that has no clue what it is like to be an American.If you understand history their is a reason while our forefathers broke away from Europe.Freedom and Liberty will always prevail over socialism and we are seeing it now.God Bless America!

Since: Oct 12

Baltimore, Maryland

#7 Oct 29, 2013
Mike wrote:
<quoted text>Digger this law was a setup for failure,millions are having their policies cancelled,this law depends on the young enrolling,that want happen since most of them are on their parents policies till age 26 and most want join up because they feel it's an intrusion on their freedom.This is just another failure on a president that has no clue what it is like to be an American.If you understand history their is a reason while our forefathers broke away from Europe.Freedom and Liberty will always prevail over socialism and we are seeing it now.God Bless America!
Aren't you on disability and already have a medical card? It's funny. People said the same thing about social security. Isn't it social security that allows you to get disability?
Mike

Danville, KY

#8 Oct 29, 2013
One True Digger wrote:
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Aren't you on disability and already have a medical card? It's funny. People said the same thing about social security. Isn't it social security that allows you to get disability?
Digger even you should know this law is a debacle,17 trillion in debt and climbing and now Obama and his inept fall guys want to control 1/6 of the economy.Americans wallets are already feeling the affects of previous Obama policies,now he has one that directly affects these same people one that is out of our hands and in the hands of beurocrats and not your family doctor.Obama care is a failure and will be unable to stand due to a lackluster plan to begin with and the overwhelming costs to the middle class who are already struggling.

Since: Oct 12

Baltimore, Maryland

#9 Oct 29, 2013
Mike wrote:
<quoted text>Digger even you should know this law is a debacle,17 trillion in debt and climbing and now Obama and his inept fall guys want to control 1/6 of the economy.Americans wallets are already feeling the affects of previous Obama policies,now he has one that directly affects these same people one that is out of our hands and in the hands of beurocrats and not your family doctor.Obama care is a failure and will be unable to stand due to a lackluster plan to begin with and the overwhelming costs to the middle class who are already struggling.
Do you worry that your own medical card and disability check are in jeopardy?
Uncle Joe

Harrodsburg, KY

#10 Oct 29, 2013
One True Digger wrote:
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So you don't consider the people who work minimum wage and/or part time jobs to be workers? How much per year does one need to make in your eyes to be a "working man"?
Can we also expect states with the most "takers" like Kentucky, West Virginia, Oklahoma, Texas, Mississippi, Arkansas, and Missouri to suddenly start going "red"? Because you know Kentucky is a huge "taker" state and I believe that Obama only got 37% of the vote here. Why in Leslie county, he didn't get 9% of the vote and it's a really big "taker" county with nearly 16% unemployed. Can you explain that one?
Of course people who work minimum wage are working people. I used the higher numbers to illustrate the fact that even those earning $50,000,$60,000 or even $70,000 (family of four) will get a tax rebate to be used to buy health insurance. Minimum wage people will receive enough government rebate to pay for all or most of their health care insurance premium. It could be that they will pay no income tax and some of them will get money back through the earned income program.

Note that the states that you mentioned are mostly rural. Rural people tend to be more conservative. Our cities tend to have more people who qualify and receive money from the government. As more and more people are added to the number of the takers the Democrats will likely pick up more and more votes.

Watch the McConnel race. I say that Grimes (that is her name, I believe) will beat McConnel. Also Hillary Clinton will take this state in 2016.

The more people who receive money or benefits from the government the more people will tend Democratic. Of course, the Democrats choosing to run women also helps insure their victories.

Since: Oct 12

Baltimore, Maryland

#11 Oct 29, 2013
Uncle Joe wrote:
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Of course people who work minimum wage are working people. I used the higher numbers to illustrate the fact that even those earning $50,000,$60,000 or even $70,000 (family of four) will get a tax rebate to be used to buy health insurance. Minimum wage people will receive enough government rebate to pay for all or most of their health care insurance premium. It could be that they will pay no income tax and some of them will get money back through the earned income program.
Note that the states that you mentioned are mostly rural. Rural people tend to be more conservative. Our cities tend to have more people who qualify and receive money from the government. As more and more people are added to the number of the takers the Democrats will likely pick up more and more votes.
Watch the McConnel race. I say that Grimes (that is her name, I believe) will beat McConnel. Also Hillary Clinton will take this state in 2016.
The more people who receive money or benefits from the government the more people will tend Democratic. Of course, the Democrats choosing to run women also helps insure their victories.
Then again I ask. If those states are rural and conservative why are they getting so many "handouts"? It's not something new either. They have been the top welfare states for decades. Yet they, like you said, are conservative. Have you looked at the welfare rolls in eastern Kentucky?

As far as your predictions for 2016. Did you ever stop to think it's because the Republican party can't put forth candidates who are worth a shit? What can they offer for 2016? Rand Paul? Rick Perry? Marco Rubio? Ted Cruz? None of them can speak or have any good ideas except be anti-government... which they are part of the government so it comes across as silly.

You also fail to consider social issues such as same-sex marriage, immigration reform, and a woman's right to chose. These are issues that most people now support.

To say that people vote Democrat for handouts is silly, immature, and shows you have a limited scope on the world around you.
Nutz

Harrodsburg, KY

#12 Oct 30, 2013
One True Digger wrote:
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Aren't you on disability and already have a medical card? It's funny. People said the same thing about social security. Isn't it social security that allows you to get disability?
You continue to avoid his points because you can't defend them. Typical Liberal ignore and defend.

In Kentucky, 82% of those who have signed up are for Medicaid. That costs the taxpayer money. It doesn't help fund Obamacare. You do realize that?

Let's face it. The roll out has been a complete joke and the young will pay the $95 penalty instead of upwards of $400 monthly for a crappy plan.

They really should have read what was in it before they passed the law.
Uncle Joe

Harrodsburg, KY

#13 Oct 30, 2013
One True Digger wrote:
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Then again I ask. If those states are rural and conservative why are they getting so many "handouts"? It's not something new either. They have been the top welfare states for decades. Yet they, like you said, are conservative. Have you looked at the welfare rolls in eastern Kentucky?
As far as your predictions for 2016. Did you ever stop to think it's because the Republican party can't put forth candidates who are worth a shit? What can they offer for 2016? Rand Paul? Rick Perry? Marco Rubio? Ted Cruz? None of them can speak or have any good ideas except be anti-government... which they are part of the government so it comes across as silly.
You also fail to consider social issues such as same-sex marriage, immigration reform, and a woman's right to chose. These are issues that most people now support.
To say that people vote Democrat for handouts is silly, immature, and shows you have a limited scope on the world around you.
Did you notice that in the last presidential election that Lexington and Louisville went Democratic. The rest of the state went Republican. Why the cities? There are more people receiving benefits from the government and they perceive the benefit are the results of the Democrats. By adding more and more people who bet benefits from the government the Democrats pick up more votes.
But, as you point out, the Democrats support more things such as same sex marriage, women's right to choose and immigration reform. Each of these issues bring more Democratic votes. So by catering to those who are takers, women, homosexual and Hispanics the Democrats are marching toward a one party country with more and more people getting favors or benefits from the government.

You are also correct when you print that the Republicans cannot put forth a candidate who can win. They were also stupid by trying to defund Obamacare. It would have been wiser to make their point about the flaws in the law and then let it play out. Perhaps the balked because they knew that once the millions of new takers are on the dole it can never be taken back. Behind the scenes, I expect that that was the issue.
Uncle Joe

Harrodsburg, KY

#14 Oct 30, 2013
Nutz wrote:
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You continue to avoid his points because you can't defend them. Typical Liberal ignore and defend.
In Kentucky, 82% of those who have signed up are for Medicaid. That costs the taxpayer money. It doesn't help fund Obamacare. You do realize that?
Let's face it. The roll out has been a complete joke and the young will pay the $95 penalty instead of upwards of $400 monthly for a crappy plan.
They really should have read what was in it before they passed the law.
I wished that we all could have read the law. Here is a shocker. Did you know that the amount of money that your company pays for your health insurance will now be counted as earned income and that you will pay taxes on that.

So your company pays your $600 dollar a month insurance payment. That is $7,200.00 that will be added to your taxable income.

Wonder what else that most of us don't know?

Since: Oct 12

Baltimore, Maryland

#15 Oct 30, 2013
Uncle Joe wrote:
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I wished that we all could have read the law. Here is a shocker. Did you know that the amount of money that your company pays for your health insurance will now be counted as earned income and that you will pay taxes on that.
So your company pays your $600 dollar a month insurance payment. That is $7,200.00 that will be added to your taxable income.
Wonder what else that most of us don't know?
Before you work yourself up into a rage about things, you should first make sure that they are true: http://www.irs.gov/uac/Form-W-2-Reporting-of-...

Wonder what else you're saying that isn't true?

Since: Oct 12

Baltimore, Maryland

#16 Oct 30, 2013
Uncle Joe wrote:
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Did you notice that in the last presidential election that Lexington and Louisville went Democratic. The rest of the state went Republican. Why the cities? There are more people receiving benefits from the government and they perceive the benefit are the results of the Democrats. By adding more and more people who bet benefits from the government the Democrats pick up more votes.
But, as you point out, the Democrats support more things such as same sex marriage, women's right to choose and immigration reform. Each of these issues bring more Democratic votes. So by catering to those who are takers, women, homosexual and Hispanics the Democrats are marching toward a one party country with more and more people getting favors or benefits from the government.
You are also correct when you print that the Republicans cannot put forth a candidate who can win. They were also stupid by trying to defund Obamacare. It would have been wiser to make their point about the flaws in the law and then let it play out. Perhaps the balked because they knew that once the millions of new takers are on the dole it can never be taken back. Behind the scenes, I expect that that was the issue.
Again you fail to answer the question and even get your facts wrong. You are incorrect in that Franklin County and Elliot County were both "blue" in addition to Fayette and Jefferson. You fail to acknowledge the generations of welfare recipients in Appalachia. You fail to mention Leslie County in which Obama get less than 9% of the vote, yet has some of the highest unemployment and welfare recipients in the state.

Instead you put forth the same old tired mantra that "takers" vote Democrat. You mention cities, again ignoring the fact that metropolitan areas tend to have a more progressive and culturally literal population which attracts Democratic voters. For example, you'll find few Romney votes in precincts around college campuses.

Yet you ignore this because it does not support your tired, dis-proven theory.

You're not "catering" to someone when the majority of the population supports something. An poll you look at shows that the majority of Americans support same sex marriage [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_o... ] Now why would you turn around and vote for a candidate who says he opposes something that you support?

What it boils down to is an excuse. Almost a year ago today, Mitt Romney had his ass handed to him. He got fewer votes than John McCain. The Republican pundits and talking heads said that it was going to be a Mitt Romney landslide. When it didn't materialize, they had to blame someone. NEVER blame the man in the mirror! So Rush Limbaugh provided solace to his listeners. He said that you can't beat Santa Claus. Republicans who were crushed (some to the point of killing themselves) latched on to this and it has become the new mantra.

The end will come for the Republican Party not from "takers." Oh no. There are plenty of takers in "red states" who vote Republican (a fact that you refuse to accept). It will come from the notion that they are a party of angry old men who are stuck in the 50's.

Another fact that should be terrifying to you is that the senior citizen of yesterday are about gone. The conservative seniors from the 40's have left this earth and your new senior citizen starting this upcoming election will be people like me who were teens in the 60's. Yep, hippies. The same young people who were listening to Janis Joplin at Woodstock are now in their mid sixties and make up the senior vote.

Unless the Republican Party takes a big leap to the center on social issues they are done. It's going to be a hard fact for many to accept.

Since: Oct 12

Baltimore, Maryland

#17 Oct 30, 2013
Nutz wrote:
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You continue to avoid his points because you can't defend them. Typical Liberal ignore and defend.
In Kentucky, 82% of those who have signed up are for Medicaid. That costs the taxpayer money. It doesn't help fund Obamacare. You do realize that?
Let's face it. The roll out has been a complete joke and the young will pay the $95 penalty instead of upwards of $400 monthly for a crappy plan.
They really should have read what was in it before they passed the law.
I just find it humorous that someone on government healthcare and SSI rallies against government healthcare.

Since: Oct 12

Baltimore, Maryland

#18 Oct 30, 2013
Nutz wrote:
<quoted text>
You continue to avoid his points because you can't defend them. Typical Liberal ignore and defend.
In Kentucky, 82% of those who have signed up are for Medicaid. That costs the taxpayer money. It doesn't help fund Obamacare. You do realize that?
Let's face it. The roll out has been a complete joke and the young will pay the $95 penalty instead of upwards of $400 monthly for a crappy plan.
They really should have read what was in it before they passed the law.
I mean, god forbid that we let the working poor get health care. What is the world coming to? Where is the country that I love???
Uncle Joe

Harrodsburg, KY

#19 Oct 30, 2013
One True Digger wrote:
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Before you work yourself up into a rage about things, you should first make sure that they are true: http://www.irs.gov/uac/Form-W-2-Reporting-of-...
Wonder what else you're saying that isn't true?
OK, Digger I admit that when I read that the amount of money the employer paid to buy health insurance must be reported on tax documents I assumed that it would be taxable.

Obama claims that reporting this amount is just for information purposes only.

Really? Did this man not state over and over again that one could keep his policy if he liked it. The man lied and now his apologist are verifying that.

Are you an innocent who just believes every thing that his heroes say? Or you just plain dumb.

This new tax source is worth billions to the federal government. Do you really think that the Democrats will keep their fingers out of the pie for very long?
Nutz

Harrodsburg, KY

#20 Oct 30, 2013
One True Digger wrote:
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I just find it humorous that someone on government healthcare and SSI rallies against government healthcare.
Wrong answer Buckwheat. I pay $800 month for a family plan. Work everyday.

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