Carp

United States

#63 Jun 8, 2013
One True Digger wrote:
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Well, he went through the same hiring process as all the other police officers. The chief at the time was Ernie Kelty. Currently there's a lawsuit in federal court against Mr. Kelty that claims he was aware of the relationship and did nothing to stop it.
I suppose it comes down to NOT what do you KNOW but what you can PROVE.
He is hardly the first law enforcement officer to get in trouble for sex with a minor. Former cop and sheriff Chris Edwards is currently pulling 365 days in the county jail for sexual contact with a girl under 12.
Under 12 ??!!. JESUS CHRIST . THAT'S SICKENING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY TO THAT . MAKES ME FEEL SICK .
Really

Harrodsburg, KY

#64 Jun 8, 2013
Well if he got 365 for 1 felony. Then I guess old Jason should have gotten 149 felonies for his 149 charges. Looks like he should have served more than 3 years for 149 charges. Don't seem right.

Since: Oct 12

Baltimore, Maryland

#65 Jun 8, 2013
Carp wrote:
<quoted text> not sounding mean but I believe there are 12 mos in a year .Lol . But seriously , I didn't know about the other cop being in jail . Damn ! I wonder if he is placed in a cell by himself ? You know on TV they talk about how the cops , child sex offenders are kept separate from population. I just don't see how the elder guy was able to carry on in that matter and "others" weren't aware . Smells funny to me . And again the parents of girl . That just don't add up . I know teens whether male or female will lie , sneak around and say about anything . Parents need to watch what's goin on big time . Just my two cents.
Both Chris Edwards and Jason Elder are kept in PC (protective custody).
Really

Harrodsburg, KY

#66 Jun 9, 2013
Was Edward Felony a C. If so why was all of Elders just D Felonies? He had more charges that the Edwards man didn't he?
Didn't the Judge ask to be off that trial with Elder. But he did not with Edward. Wonder Why? If this is So.

Since: Oct 12

Baltimore, Maryland

#67 Jun 9, 2013
Really wrote:
Was Edward Felony a C. If so why was all of Elders just D Felonies? He had more charges that the Edwards man didn't he?
Didn't the Judge ask to be off that trial with Elder. But he did not with Edward. Wonder Why? If this is So.
This legal mumbo jumbo sure is complicated! Gives you a headache just thinking about it! I guess that's why attorneys make the big bucks!
Really

Harrodsburg, KY

#68 Jun 9, 2013
But you do know and understand. Or at least you seem too.
Carp

United States

#69 Jun 9, 2013
if those two guys are ever allowed in Law enforcement again tho I'd say they wouldn't but if so and they pull those stunts again, I hope its with a beautiful , Voluptuous gal named Willie !

Since: Oct 12

Baltimore, Maryland

#70 Jun 9, 2013
Really wrote:
But you do know and understand. Or at least you seem too.
I like to think I have a better understanding than most people, it just gets old trying to explain things over and over again.

But to try to answer your questions. Chris Edwards hadn't been a law enforcement officer for many years when he was charged. Jason Elder was a cop at the time. That would be my guess as to why Peckler did not step down.

Now there's several sex offenses in Kentucky and three types of rape. Chris Edwards was not charged with rape. He was charged with sexual abuse. I don't want to get too graphic out of good taste, but he was accused of using his finger. Rape requires insertion of the penis into the vagina. Oral and anal sex are considered sodomy. The use of a digit or object is sexual abuse.

There's two things that are the "kicker" for sex cases: the use of physical force and age. If the victim is under 12, then the penalty is enhanced. If the victim suffers a serious physical injury then the penalty is enhanced.

Rape I is the most serious offense and it is your "classic" example of rape which involves the use of physical force to have intercourse with someone. Rape II is what is commonly called statutory rape. Most people know what that is. Rape III is when the person cannot consent because they are underage, mentally retarded, drunk, passed out, or incarcerated. The last one is something new brought on by the scandals of the women's prison in Eastern Kentucky.

Chris Edwards plead down to sexual misconduct which is a class A misdemeanor punishable by 365 days in the county jail. He got the max. He'll do every day of that.

Jason Elder plead out to class D felonies, Rape III, Sodomy III, and so forth, and got 36 months, which he has to serve. No parole.

Now many people seem to have issue with there being 148 counts and him getting only 3 years. Let's look at this a little harder. First, keep in mind that he plead guilty to the recommendation from the prosecuting attorney. The prosecutor discussed this with the victim's family. They agreed. Now let's think about what would have happened if Jason Elder had said "No, I'm taking this to trial."

The girl would have had to take the witness stand. Then the prosecution would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that this occurred. The girl would have to answer embarrassing questions in front of a room full of strangers. Then, Jason's attorney would have had a crack at her. It would have been an all day affair.

All it would have taken is one person on that jury of 12 to have the mentality that you see here everytime the subject is brought up. It would only take one; jury verdicts in criminal cases must be unanimous. Then he could have walked away Scot free and even gotten his job back with back pay.

Offering him 36 months was justice served, a guaranteed conviction, and was accordance with the wishes of her and her family.

The same with Chris Edwards. A child under 12 isn't a very good witness. Especially when a savvy defense attorney has his turn at her. All it would have taken is one juror to say "I don't believe her. I think her mother has put her up to this!" And Chris would walk.

In any case, you won't see someone get huge lengthy sentences just because there are multiple counts. Almost all sentences on multiple counts run concurrently. The reason why prosecutors go after multiple counts in an indictment is that it gives them X number of chances to get a conviction. They could have never proven 148 counts. But all the prosecutor had to prove is one. It gives the state leverage. From the defense side of things, it's stacking the charges.

I hope that this helps you to understand the different charges and what they mean. I am including a link to Kentucky's sex offense statutes so that you can read and hopefully better understand the definitions and the elements of each crime.

http://www.lrc.ky.gov/KRS/510-00/CHAPTER.HTM
Carp

United States

#71 Jun 10, 2013
you got it right about the girl being on the stand. It would have folded up that day and he would be reading this . I agree. Same with jury . Its put a black eye on the HPD . I'd heard there was a cop that shoplifted a gatorade ! Crazy.
Really

Harrodsburg, KY

#72 Jun 10, 2013
I understand it now. Thanks Digger.
Carp

United States

#73 Jun 10, 2013
what's going on at the women's penitentiary ? You had mentioned something about a scandal there .

Since: Oct 12

Baltimore, Maryland

#74 Jun 10, 2013
Carp wrote:
what's going on at the women's penitentiary ? You had mentioned something about a scandal there .
http://www.lex18.com/news/kentucky-inmate-sue...

http://www.courier-journal.com/article/200909...

http://www.floydcountytimes.com/pages/full_st...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/26/us/26kentuc...

http://nashvillepost.com/blogs/postbusiness/2...

This might give you a hint as to what I was talking about...
Carp

United States

#75 Jun 11, 2013
Carp

United States

#76 Jun 11, 2013
good heavens . Hadn't heard about all that in eastern ky prison . Didn't know they had one there . Didn't read all but most of it . The german woman trying to reach her sick mother and the s.o.b guard only let her use the phone unless she had sex with him and others . And 120 hawiian women transfered there . I bet they were " shell shocked " to say the least .
Debbro

Harrodsburg, KY

#77 Jun 26, 2013
Yes digger, you do like yourself and like the fact that you "think" you understand more than most. lmfao
Really

Harrodsburg, KY

#78 Jun 26, 2013
He doesn't have to think he understand more than the rest of us Debbro. He does. Plain and simple. Can you top him when it comes to understanding the law? If you think you can. Then the next time something comes up about this kind of stuff. You answer it. Let us see how much you know and understand.
Jerri

Louisville, KY

#79 Nov 25, 2016
Where is elder now can't find him on sex offender registry---never served time in prison served in county jail.
Yeah

United States

#80 Nov 26, 2016
Jerri wrote:
Where is elder now can't find him on sex offender registry---never served time in prison served in county jail.
You didn't find him on the sex offender registry because you either didn't look or you didn't type it in correctly. when you seach for him, only type in Elder since it only asks for last name and not first. He is the 3rd one on the list of 5. He was actually in prison for most of his time.
He's been in simpson, Jackson, russell, boyle and bourbon county jail. And after being transferred between all of those, he was taken to Eastern Kentucky Correctional complex which is a prison in the state of Kentucky
Dumb

Harrodsburg, KY

#81 Nov 27, 2016
Comparing drug possion to molesting a kid?? Digger you truly are brainwashed by the government an i thought you was smarter then that smh.
Aunt T Histimine

Harrodsburg, KY

#82 Dec 1, 2016
This has been over for years. Move on.

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