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Oct 23, 2013
 
Bayou Johnny wrote:
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You repeatedly use the term "coarsening." The French and Italians have consumed alcohol for centuries, and yet managed to produce a disproportionate number of the world's great music, literature, and art.
Coupling the consumption of alcohol and the "coarsening" of a culture is incredibly small-minded, even for Harrodsburg. I grew up here. I moved away for college and later grad school. I came back here for several reasons, but this sort of narrow-mindedness was definitely in the negative column when I was weighing options on where to live until retirement.
I work in Lexington and find it far more culturally rich than Harrodsburg, in spite of alcohol sales and consumption in Lexington far outweighing what happens in Harrodsburg.
This argument is nothing more than the usual small-town garbage where people love to mind other people's business.
Instead of worrying about which teachers drink or get seen holding a beer, worry about why the Mercer County School system remains among the lowest ranked in the state. At least Fayette County (where I have my kids in school) has solid scores on the national tests. Mercer's schools are pitiful, and I don't think it has anything to do with alcohol and everything to do with being stuck in a small-minded community.
where do you reside?
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Oct 23, 2013
 
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<quoted text>where do you reside?
In Mercer County. My wife teaches in Fayette County, and we own a house there as well (which we rent out) so we are able to send our kids to Fayette instead of Mercer.
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#43
Oct 23, 2013
 
Our scores were not the lowest in the state. And our schools are far from pitiful! The problem with mercer countians is they need to develop a little pride and respect for themselves and their community!
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Oct 23, 2013
 
I never said they were the lowest in the state. I maintain that being 102 out of 260, when the bottom 30 odd schools are day treatment programs and alternative schools is pitiful.

The system is mediocre at best. That's just pitiful when you consider the student/teacher ratio is much lower at Mercer than at schools who are outperforming them.

There is no reason for Mercer County to not be in the top 30 schools in the state. Other districts with lower household incomes, lower-paid teachers, worse student/teacher ratios, higher numbers of students on free/reduced lunch programs, and weaker tax bases are outperforming Mercer County Schools. Badly.

Most of the schools lower than Mercer County were either alternative schools or Eastern Kentucky school systems with poverty levels that make Mercer County look like a wealthy region.

The Mercer County School System is failing. If they don't pull themselves up by their bootstraps, they'll slide into an even lower ranking in the 2013/2014 tests. What has changed at Mercer County in the past decade? What gives you any faith that things will change? Has the county replaced the school board? Has there been any shake-up? We elect the school board, and I must say that I am unimpressed with our choices. The current board collectively seems more interested in avoiding controversy than in improving the educations of the students. What am I missing?
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Our scores were not the lowest in the state. And our schools are far from pitiful! The problem with mercer countians is they need to develop a little pride and respect for themselves and their community!
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#45
Oct 23, 2013
 
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I never said they were the lowest in the state. I maintain that being 102 out of 260, when the bottom 30 odd schools are day treatment programs and alternative schools is pitiful.
The system is mediocre at best. That's just pitiful when you consider the student/teacher ratio is much lower at Mercer than at schools who are outperforming them.
There is no reason for Mercer County to not be in the top 30 schools in the state. Other districts with lower household incomes, lower-paid teachers, worse student/teacher ratios, higher numbers of students on free/reduced lunch programs, and weaker tax bases are outperforming Mercer County Schools. Badly.
Most of the schools lower than Mercer County were either alternative schools or Eastern Kentucky school systems with poverty levels that make Mercer County look like a wealthy region.
The Mercer County School System is failing. If they don't pull themselves up by their bootstraps, they'll slide into an even lower ranking in the 2013/2014 tests. What has changed at Mercer County in the past decade? What gives you any faith that things will change? Has the county replaced the school board? Has there been any shake-up? We elect the school board, and I must say that I am unimpressed with our choices. The current board collectively seems more interested in avoiding controversy than in improving the educations of the students. What am I missing?
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And our scores this year were an improvement. So I would see that as working toward the goal. If even half of the energy expended on your rant was used to push a positive attitude rather than the rage you exhibit, we could improve even faster. Negative words and attitude self fulfill into negative behaviors.

Perhaps you should stay in Fayette county and work on your own problems and quit trying to add to our problems.
Bayou Johnny

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#46
Oct 23, 2013
 
You're badly misunderstanding me. I have no rage at all, not even anger. I'm only expressing disappointment and the belief that Mercer County is better than this. I wasn't ranting, and it doesn't take much energy to look up statistics from the state's website. I don't believe that what I said was particularly negative, only honest. I can back up my statements with data from The Kentucky Department of Education.

Yes, last year's scores were a slight improvement, but that doesn't make things in Mercer County Schools satisfactory, does it? If stating an unpleasant truth "self fulfills into negative behaviors" how is anything to change?

I grew up here. I came back here to live and raise a family. I love it here, BUT having the chance to get my children into a better school system, I absolutely did what was best for my kids. If Mercer County was performing anywhere near what it should, I'd rather have my kids in Mercer County for simplicity's sake. As it stands, I'm willing to go to the trouble of getting them into a better-performing district. I hope you would do the same if you were in my position.

I don't really have any problems other than wanting my home school district to perform up to par. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. If more Mercer County people demanded more of the schools, there would be more improvement.

I'm not adding to anyone's problems. I have nothing to do with the schools district. I didn't create the issue. I'm just saying that it's a shame that the county where I grew up isn't doing better with its schools.

As for staying in Fayette County, I'm not in Fayette County. I have my kids in schools there. I live and mostly work in Mercer County.
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And our scores this year were an improvement. So I would see that as working toward the goal. If even half of the energy expended on your rant was used to push a positive attitude rather than the rage you exhibit, we could improve even faster. Negative words and attitude self fulfill into negative behaviors.
Perhaps you should stay in Fayette county and work on your own problems and quit trying to add to our problems.
Tax payer

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Oct 30, 2013
 
Facts not slander wrote:
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And our scores this year were an improvement. So I would see that as working toward the goal. If even half of the energy expended on your rant was used to push a positive attitude rather than the rage you exhibit, we could improve even faster. Negative words and attitude self fulfill into negative behaviors.
Perhaps you should stay in Fayette county and work on your own problems and quit trying to add to our problems.
It is a cop out to say that our scores were lousy but improving. Do you know what would be positive? What if the Mercer County School system dedicated themselves to achieving greatness in the class room? That would be positive. Every school in the district was judged "needs improvement" except the high school and they just barley made it. Oh well, at least Mercer beat Burgin.
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Oct 30, 2013
 
Bayou Johnny wrote:
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In Mercer County. My wife teaches in Fayette County, and we own a house there as well (which we rent out) so we are able to send our kids to Fayette instead of Mercer.
Don't you have to live in Fayette County before you send your child to schools there?
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Oct 30, 2013
 
Bayou Johnny wrote:
You're badly misunderstanding me. I have no rage at all, not even anger. I'm only expressing disappointment and the belief that Mercer County is better than this. I wasn't ranting, and it doesn't take much energy to look up statistics from the state's website. I don't believe that what I said was particularly negative, only honest. I can back up my statements with data from The Kentucky Department of Education.
Yes, last year's scores were a slight improvement, but that doesn't make things in Mercer County Schools satisfactory, does it? If stating an unpleasant truth "self fulfills into negative behaviors" how is anything to change?
I grew up here. I came back here to live and raise a family. I love it here, BUT having the chance to get my children into a better school system, I absolutely did what was best for my kids. If Mercer County was performing anywhere near what it should, I'd rather have my kids in Mercer County for simplicity's sake. As it stands, I'm willing to go to the trouble of getting them into a better-performing district. I hope you would do the same if you were in my position.
I don't really have any problems other than wanting my home school district to perform up to par. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. If more Mercer County people demanded more of the schools, there would be more improvement.
I'm not adding to anyone's problems. I have nothing to do with the schools district. I didn't create the issue. I'm just saying that it's a shame that the county where I grew up isn't doing better with its schools.
As for staying in Fayette County, I'm not in Fayette County. I have my kids in schools there. I live and mostly work in Mercer County.
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Actually if more people complained the school system would be better off. As it is the schools lowered their grading scale so that they could send more As and Bs home on report cards and fool the parents into thinking that Johnny was really doing great.
They whitewashed the state scores and frankly way too many people don't care.
Convict Speaks at MCHS

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Oct 30, 2013
 
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Actually if more people complained the school system would be better off. As it is the schools lowered their grading scale so that they could send more As and Bs home on report cards and fool the parents into thinking that Johnny was really doing great.
They whitewashed the state scores and frankly way too many people don't care.
If Mercer School wiill allow a convicted felon like Greg Isham to speak to a class no wonder the kids are failing.. They must all be drunk at the school..
Betty

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#51
Oct 30, 2013
 
Bayou Johnny wrote:
I never said they were the lowest in the state. I maintain that being 102 out of 260, when the bottom 30 odd schools are day treatment programs and alternative schools is pitiful.
The system is mediocre at best. That's just pitiful when you consider the student/teacher ratio is much lower at Mercer than at schools who are outperforming them.
There is no reason for Mercer County to not be in the top 30 schools in the state. Other districts with lower household incomes, lower-paid teachers, worse student/teacher ratios, higher numbers of students on free/reduced lunch programs, and weaker tax bases are outperforming Mercer County Schools. Badly.
Most of the schools lower than Mercer County were either alternative schools or Eastern Kentucky school systems with poverty levels that make Mercer County look like a wealthy region.
The Mercer County School System is failing. If they don't pull themselves up by their bootstraps, they'll slide into an even lower ranking in the 2013/2014 tests. What has changed at Mercer County in the past decade? What gives you any faith that things will change? Has the county replaced the school board? Has there been any shake-up? We elect the school board, and I must say that I am unimpressed with our choices. The current board collectively seems more interested in avoiding controversy than in improving the educations of the students. What am I missing?
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maybe you should run for school board. In fact three of them just ran un opposed this past November. If the voters didnt like what they were doing then someone else should have ran for office. I don't believe you know them enough to speak about them.
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Oct 30, 2013
 

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<quoted text>maybe you should run for school board. In fact three of them just ran un opposed this past November. If the voters didnt like what they were doing then someone else should have ran for office. I don't believe you know them enough to speak about them.
I know No one wants to be involved or associated with the school system or the drunks that work their--take a Look at the idiotic antics that go on within the schools teachers and administrators. Bullying parents and kids that are not as fortunate as others. Happens everyday in Mercer school. All students & parents should have access and equal treatment. NOT a select few!
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Oct 31, 2013
 
Four Eyes wrote:
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I know No one wants to be involved or associated with the school system or the drunks that work their--take a Look at the idiotic antics that go on within the schools teachers and administrators. Bullying parents and kids that are not as fortunate as others. Happens everyday in Mercer school. All students & parents should have access and equal treatment. NOT a select few!
I Agree.. I have contacted the KDE and they will be looking into a few at the high school.
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Oct 31, 2013
 
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I Agree.. I have contacted the KDE and they will be looking into a few at the high school.
good. About time people take their complaining to the RIGHT place.
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Oct 31, 2013
 
Do you have so little faith In your children that you fear a person sharing the mistakes they made will turn them into criminals? If that is the case, they are already going down that path.

As for teachers that drink responsibly, get a grip. Because they get a paycheck from the public school it doesn't mean you own them. They are free citizens with the same rights that you have. With that said, the puritanical public will always maintain a, "dual standard" when it come to teachers.

Spend 40 hours a week standing in front of these kids and trying to get them to act civilized and get them to care about their future and you'd wonder why teachers don't drink more than they do.

Now... Move on.....
No faith in teachers

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Nov 1, 2013
 
The Real truth-t wrote:
Do you have so little faith In your children that you fear a person sharing the mistakes they made will turn them into criminals? If that is the case, they are already going down that path.
As for teachers that drink responsibly, get a grip. Because they get a paycheck from the public school it doesn't mean you own them. They are free citizens with the same rights that you have. With that said, the puritanical public will always maintain a, "dual standard" when it come to teachers.
Spend 40 hours a week standing in front of these kids and trying to get them to act civilized and get them to care about their future and you'd wonder why teachers don't drink more than they do.
Now... Move on.....
No faith in the teachers at MERCER CO SCHOOL, if you don't like your job find another..
Booze em up

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Nov 1, 2013
 
The Real truth-t wrote:
Do you have so little faith In your children that you fear a person sharing the mistakes they made will turn them into criminals? If that is the case, they are already going down that path.
As for teachers that drink responsibly, get a grip. Because they get a paycheck from the public school it doesn't mean you own them. They are free citizens with the same rights that you have. With that said, the puritanical public will always maintain a, "dual standard" when it come to teachers.
Spend 40 hours a week standing in front of these kids and trying to get them to act civilized and get them to care about their future and you'd wonder why teachers don't drink more than they do.
Now... Move on.....
Your statement illustrates a sharp change that has come to our culture. Teachers used to be expected to be role models for our children. Parents would be appalled to go to Lexington and see their kid's teachers drunk in a bar. Now, many parents would shrug their shoulders and excuse little Johnny's teacher after he/she was arrested for a DUI. Yes, there once was a double standard. Teachers were to be looked up to and respected not just as teachers but as examples for kids. No more. What about pot? Immoral behavior? You talk about civilizing the heathen kids and then excuse their examples.
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Nov 1, 2013
 
I don't remember making ANY reference to "drunk". The conversation was having a "drink". A legal.... Drink... Maybe two. Oh we are held to a different standard if we get a DUI. If I am stopped and determined to DUI, and I have my own children in the car... My teaching licenses is gone. Now the local judge, Mayor, preacher, accountant can do the same, they get a fine, driving school and back to,their jobs
My teachers in the 1960s and 1970s would go to the teachers lounge and smoke like freight trains, come back to class where we got to smell the fruits of their puffing. Is that the "role model" culture of old you are referring to?
You're lost in the land of petticoat junction and My three sons.
As for the self,righteous puritans here. I put my money and time on the line and did more than whine about it. After 20+ years in the work force, I paid my way through another 4 year degree, took a 50% cut in pay to teach. But, I forgot you guys are the armchair experts. Sit back, complain, judge.
Why don't you step up? Make a change from the inside of your school system with your own sweat, money and work. I do every day......
Once upon a time

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Nov 2, 2013
 
The Real truth-t wrote:
I don't remember making ANY reference to "drunk". The conversation was having a "drink". A legal.... Drink... Maybe two. Oh we are held to a different standard if we get a DUI. If I am stopped and determined to DUI, and I have my own children in the car... My teaching licenses is gone. Now the local judge, Mayor, preacher, accountant can do the same, they get a fine, driving school and back to,their jobs
My teachers in the 1960s and 1970s would go to the teachers lounge and smoke like freight trains, come back to class where we got to smell the fruits of their puffing. Is that the "role model" culture of old you are referring to?
You're lost in the land of petticoat junction and My three sons.
As for the self,righteous puritans here. I put my money and time on the line and did more than whine about it. After 20+ years in the work force, I paid my way through another 4 year degree, took a 50% cut in pay to teach. But, I forgot you guys are the armchair experts. Sit back, complain, judge.
Why don't you step up? Make a change from the inside of your school system with your own sweat, money and work. I do every day......
I am a retired teacher. I too paid my dues and worked my way through college, got two MA degrees and worked as a teacher and various administrative positions. I know kids. Kids model behavior. Kids don't respect those who say don't do this, but don't judge me if I do.

Having written that I must say that teachers have much more freedom to as they please now than when I got into the profession 35 years ago. They also have less respect.

Someone brought this topic to this site because they thought that teachers and alcohol are a problem at our local school. Perhaps it is. If it is does anyone really care?

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I am a retired teacher. I too paid my dues and worked my way through college, got two MA degrees and worked as a teacher and various administrative positions. I know kids. Kids model behavior. Kids don't respect those who say don't do this, but don't judge me if I do.
Having written that I must say that teachers have much more freedom to as they please now than when I got into the profession 35 years ago. They also have less respect.
Someone brought this topic to this site because they thought that teachers and alcohol are a problem at our local school. Perhaps it is. If it is does anyone really care?
I'm willing to bet that neither of those degrees were in English.

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