Curious

Lake Ariel, PA

#41 Sep 28, 2008
Observer wrote:
<quoted text>
It is obvious that bylaws mean absolutely nothing to that organization. They interpret them to their advantage, change, manipulate, or even totally ignore their very own bylaws when it suits them. If something comes up and the bylaws won't allow them to get their way (especially a certain current chief), you can bet that the bylaws get changed or even ignored.
I am just curious. You seem to know a lot about the department. Can you cite specific examples of when the bylaws have been, as you say, interpreted to someone's advantage, changed, manipulated, or even totally ignored??
EL LOBO

Amelia Court House, VA

#42 Oct 23, 2008
I"ve read the effort to justify drinking beer at the Fire Station. And this is one example of changing rules,and amending law"s to suit and benefit those who need to justify their actions. What is the town law about consuming alcohol on public owned property?. I think a permit, and insurance are required?.I hope you don't try the we didn't know line!.If you don't Know the law"s start with the Fire Departments code of ethics,bi-laws, and amendments!.Then move on to the Town laws,then State laws. Another very good source is the State Comptrollers Office. you should read the results of their audits on the Fire District,And Fire department.
greeneyes

Lake Ariel, PA

#43 Oct 24, 2008
The scary part the district will submit their budget with out any input by the taxpayers.
Many complian but nothing is done.
Again a spending spree... no one knows who owns what at the Town of Colesville Fire Dist 1, Town of Colesville Fire Co. 1, Aka Harpursville Fire Dept. 70,000 and 55,000 adds up to 125,000.
The Town newsletter equaites 25% of HFD operations expense by donation.
But the District forks over a lot of cash for the operation of the Deptpartment and Compay.. Nice that the Districts pays most of Fire Protection District expense. Think about it... the district will fork over 1,033.66 a month for the new apparatus.
greeneyes

Lake Ariel, PA

#44 Oct 24, 2008
This is to Wolf!!,so I don't give mis-information

Feb 2008 the Commissioner's voted to give 1041.66= 12500 year for the Sterling... one month prior to the Town Board Meeting.

Let Me See...sic..Since your so Knowledgeable about the Law... Fedral Law and Fire Equipment....
Why is thge 1964 Tanker in the front of the building when supposedly it can't be used...
Don't Blivoyant... get your facts straight,boy...
EL LOBO

Amelia Court House, VA

#45 Oct 26, 2008
greeneyes wrote:
The scary part the district will submit their budget with out any input by the taxpayers.
Many complian but nothing is done.
Again a spending spree... no one knows who owns what at the Town of Colesville Fire Dist 1, Town of Colesville Fire Co. 1, Aka Harpursville Fire Dept. 70,000 and 55,000 adds up to 125,000.
The Town newsletter equaites 25% of HFD operations expense by donation.
But the District forks over a lot of cash for the operation of the Deptpartment and Compay.. Nice that the Districts pays most of Fire Protection District expense. Think about it... the district will fork over 1,033.66 a month for the new apparatus.
Did you notice that the Fire District #1 and Harpursville Fire Company District #3 Have the same PO box,and phone #
interested citizen

New Durham, NH

#46 Oct 31, 2008
Harpursville Fire Department
PO Box 98
Harpursville, NY 13787
Colesville Fire District # 1
PO Box 245
Harpursville, NY 13787
Fire Department Mail is picked up by the treasurer of the fire department.
Fire District mail is picked up by the treasurer of the District.
2008 2008
Sanitaria Springs $92,677.00
West Colesville $70,980.00 =$163,657.00

Harpursville $73,940.00
District # 1 $52,951.00 =$126,891.00

Harpursville covers approximately 38.6 sq. miles.
Sanitaria Springs covers about 11.6 sq. miles.
West Colesville covers approximately 11.4 sq. miles.

Harpursville gets 31% of money raised
in the protection area.

Money spent per mile for coverage in Protection Area 3.
SSFC $7,989.40
WCFC $6,226.32
Harpursville $1,915.54

Since: Oct 08

Amelia Court House, VA

#47 Nov 7, 2008
interested citizen wrote:
Harpursville Fire Department
PO Box 98
Harpursville, NY 13787
Colesville Fire District # 1
PO Box 245
Harpursville, NY 13787
Fire Department Mail is picked up by the treasurer of the fire department.
Fire District mail is picked up by the treasurer of the District.
2008 2008
Sanitaria Springs $92,677.00
West Colesville $70,980.00 =$163,657.00
Harpursville $73,940.00
District # 1 $52,951.00 =$126,891.00
Harpursville covers approximately 38.6 sq. miles.
Sanitaria Springs covers about 11.6 sq. miles.
West Colesville covers approximately 11.4 sq. miles.
Harpursville gets 31% of money raised
in the protection area.
Money spent per mile for coverage in Protection Area 3.
SSFC $7,989.40
WCFC $6,226.32
Harpursville $1,915.54
On the Harpursville home page,under Town of Colesville Emergency Services. I see both Fire districts listed at the same address PO BOX.98.
No one is perfect

Afton, NY

#48 Nov 7, 2008
"On the Harpursville home page,under Town of Colesville Emergency Services. I see both Fire districts listed at the same address PO BOX.98."

Must have been a misprint

Since: Oct 08

Amelia Court House, VA

#49 Nov 7, 2008
I would like to thank the fire men that protect us and our property. I appreciate what you do to accomplish this, the time spent training, time away from family, and responding at any hour in all weather conditions.I would like you to know that the requests for treasurers reports were not gathered for the purpose to bash the fire men as you have heard. It was,and still is a tax question,plain and simple. When i was told it was none of my business how,or for what my tax dollars were used,i disagreed. Some didnt like me exerciseing [our civil rights]!.Well thats to bad for them. I love our freedoms dont you!. I will not let any person tell me i have no right!. I will not cower to any threats or harassments, like a fellow resident has had done to him. I will exercise my rights to their fullest extent, and tough crap if you dont like it!.

Since: Oct 08

Amelia Court House, VA

#50 Nov 7, 2008
No one is perfect wrote:
"On the Harpursville home page,under Town of Colesville Emergency Services. I see both Fire districts listed at the same address PO BOX.98."
Must have been a misprint
Now you know why FOI foil was used,to get info. Brilliant flippant remark!.

Since: Oct 08

Amelia Court House, VA

#51 Nov 7, 2008
You can also look in Broom County Fire Departments, and Fire depts.net , And Broome County Emergency services.[Missprint Yea Right]!!.
interested citizen

Contoocook, NH

#52 Nov 7, 2008
According to a recent conversation with a member of the fire department, the men and women of the Harpursville Fire Department have raised about $25,000 this year in fundraising and donations. This is true dedication when you consider that the department has responded to over 200 calls this year. The men and women of the Department are also taxpayers. Please remember that they also have to pay for their gas to get to the station to respond to these calls and for training.
interested citizen

Contoocook, NH

#53 Nov 7, 2008
If you're so hung up on the address, ask the postmaster at Harpursville.

Since: Oct 08

Amelia Court House, VA

#54 Nov 8, 2008
This is exactly why we had to get information under foil.You still don't get it . Leave the fire men out of it. WE know what they do, and again i say thank you to them!.Now let me explain it very simply so you can stay on track. We have a [fire district] it is called Town of Colesville fire district #1. The residents of fire district #1 pay taxes to district #1 for fire protection. Fire district #1 has five Fire Commissioners,and a treasurer,[they are all volunteers filling these positions]!. That was added respectfully for them!. Fire District #1, its center starting at 2 Main St[the fire house], is a two mile radius extending outward from that point. So if you live within two miles from, or your property touches that line you are in district #1 and you are assessed at 100% value. There are approximately 450 properties that in 2007 paid $70,000 in fire protection taxes for district #1. That equates to approximately $23.00+ per thousand ass ed value. District #3 residents paid $13.00 +or - per thousand!. That equaled approxamatly $38,000 for the Residents of district#3. We asked the Fire Commissioners why the big difference!. We were told the town board would not increase district#3s taxes. So because of the way the law reads, the town board cannot disapprove the budget for district #1. They have to pass it and collect the taxes.[Taxation without representation]!!.[ Thats my opinion].Now Here is where all the information gets twisted into an assault on our Fire men. The law states that only a percentage of our taxes District #1 are to be expended to the [Fire Department of district #3]. Dont quote me but i think its 35%. At a district #1 meeting when a resident asked for an accounting of our tax dollars, A commisioner got in his face and yelled that he couldnt ask questions about the fire department at a district #1 meeting!. This is why foil was used to gain the information requested!!. They didnt like it and turned it into an atack on the fire men, to turn the Fire men, and pubiic against us . Nice try but it didnt work. The information gathered led to an audit that shows that over $13,000.00 is unacounted for from district #1s treasury. And district #3s audit shows over $10,000 unacounted for!.That was for the year 2007.I dont need to check the address you do. my point is that it lookes like we have three fire depts all rolled into one!.
Confused

Amelia Court House, VA

#55 Nov 17, 2008
El Lobo,

Where did you go to school? It's hard to find any credibility with such poor grammer and spelling.
EL LOBO

Amelia Court House, VA

#56 Nov 26, 2008
Confused wrote:
El Lobo,
Where did you go to school? It's hard to find any credibility with such poor grammer and spelling.
Spelling shemling ,whats that (Got) to do with the point. If my spelling bothers you more than how much your going to pay in taxes,well why don't you send a couple of hundred to the old lady living on her social security income. Then maybe you will feel better about your self. And as for credibility,if any thing i wrote is false,then the paper work i (GOT) under foil and paid for was false!. That means some one has violated their oath of office and purposely misled the public!!!.OH YEA! i almost for got, i can believe you are confused!,because you spelled GRAMMAR wrong!. Whats that do to your credability And where did you go to school BUBBA!.Or is it BUBBET!.Check the facts their more important than ABC.
Viewer

Binghamton, NY

#57 Dec 22, 2008
Are you kidding me?

This whole thing sounds like a bunch of idiots babbling like monkeys!

Taxation without representation? Where do you think the fire commissioners are elected from? Yes, they are ELECTED representatives.

Since: Oct 08

Amelia Court House, VA

#58 Dec 27, 2008
No I'm not kidding,and too bad you don't get it . Here it is as simply as i can make it for you . Yes they are elected representatives. They could rate us at the same tax% as district 3, But they didn't. The residents of fire district #1 were taxed at the highest % rate allowed by law. They submit their contract to the town board. By law the town board can not deny it they have to pass it and collect the taxes. When asked why we were taxed at 100%, and payed almost twice as much as district 3. The answer we were given was. The fire department of district 3 contracts separately with the town to provide fire protection to district 3. the town board can accept or reject their contract, well they rejected it. So To gain more money for the fire department Of district 3. The commissioners of district 1 raised our taxes to make up the difference!. You are right we do have reps, but they feel they are justified at what they do. By law the residents of district 1 are to enjoy greater benifits like fire hydrants, fire pull alarms,quicker response time,/ect. Oh well when your taxes are raised and you have a complant (GOOD LUCK).
Tony

Chaumont, NY

#59 Sep 26, 2009
I still want to know why they need a hover craft - over priced toy!!!!
Real firefighter

Norfolk, VA

#60 Sep 29, 2009
I know! I know! They have a fire based SWAT team. Either that or they fly around giving money back to people who booked their vacation on ORBIT! It is afterall, redneck country.....

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