Harpursville Fire Company
Real firefighter

Norfolk, VA

#21 Aug 15, 2008
"I think that firefighters in Harpursville are "touchy" because it seems that we CONSTANTLY have to defend our efforts"

Well, for starters, firefighters, career or volunteer have to hold themselves to a higher standard. You are trusted with people's lives, homes, belongings, etc., and you are public servants. So why shouldn't people question what goes on? And if you are holding yourselves to a higher standard, then you shouldn't keep having to defend yourselves. NYS General Municipal law section 209-EE requires volunteer fire departments to adopt a code of ethics.

"...why is it that when one of our members happens to purchase beer at the local store the story hits the internet within days yet many departments in the area have beer on tap in their station and that doesnÂ’t seem to be noteworthy."

"...while there are other companies that have had thousands of dollars come up missing and it never makes the headlines."

So if a neighboring department does something that would be questionable or not to a higher standard, does that make it right for you to do it?

Take it or leave it? Wow! What an answer! So let's say a taxpayer is incapable of joining for reasons such as age, health, etc. They still pay taxes to you, though the way you see it, they have no voice in the way their fire department (yes, their fire department) is run. If it is tax dollars you are spending, then taxpayers should always have input. You may not like it, and you may decide that the input is not practicle, but remember that the taxpayers are where your money comes from.

As for your choice of equipment, NFPA 1720 pretty much covers that. I still think you guys have "big department envy" though.

Do you allow people from the community to come to your meetings? Just curious since I was reading a decision that stated volunteer fire departments in NY are considered "public bodies" and as such are required to comply with open meeting laws.
Bluelight

New Durham, NH

#22 Aug 15, 2008
Yes, our meetings are open to the public. The meetings are posted in the Town of Colesville Newsletter, on The Town of Colesville website and also on the www.HarpursvilleFireDepartment.com website. The meetings are held on the second Thursday each month and trainings are held each week at 9:00 A.M. and 7:00 P.M.
We do have a code of ethics in place as well as by-laws, guidelines, and every other piece of paper that the state requires.
As far as people joining, there are many tasks that need to be done in the fire service, data entry, cleaning up around the station, cooking for the firefighters, or just
taking pictures, so if anyone has a few extra minutes, there are things for them to do. If someone wants to come to a meeting, we'd welcome them, perhaps then they would learn what the fire service is all about.
Bluelight

New Durham, NH

#23 Aug 15, 2008
Most of the firefighters here are taxpayers too. We do not receive any reduction in our property taxes as do firefighters in other parts of our state. Some of the firefighters also own and operate businesses here so they pay taxes on their residences and their businesses. We are very aware of the tax burden and have tried to keep our operation as cost efficient as possible...last year 22% of our operating budget came from fundraising. We recognize that the community is the reason for our presence.
Real firefighter

Norfolk, VA

#24 Aug 26, 2008
You guys take yourselves way too seriously!
Indifferent

Amelia Court House, VA

#25 Sep 8, 2008
Ok, i live in harpursville and i know many of the firefighters in the town. Yes, they have alot of toys. (Cough Cough Hovercraft) and yes they like to have fun and joke around, but when the **** hits the fan i would have no one else to come running. I myself have thought about joining the department but was diverted by the endless hours of training that they have to do. I also know first hand that the EMT's in harpursville can do thier jobs very well because during numerous football games i was cut sometimes quite deep and was patched up or assessed after many concussions by a EMT from harpursville and he always did a great job. I could not be happier with our fire department and i will gladly give them my tax dollars to buy WHATEVER they want just to have the assurance that they are thier should i ever need them.
Tony

Lake Ariel, PA

#26 Sep 14, 2008
Hovercraft??? I didn't know we had a Hovercraft!!! Can some one PLEASE tell me why we need such an expensive toy???
realfirefighter

Norfolk, VA

#27 Sep 15, 2008
A hovercraft? For which body of water in Colesville would that be for?
Tony

Lake Ariel, PA

#28 Sep 15, 2008
YA, what he said..... BTW, i noticed my location is Carbondale, PA,~ FYI ~ I am from Hooterville, my isp is Addams cable, there from Carbondale!
Real firefighter

Norfolk, VA

#29 Sep 16, 2008
But isn't Colesville Ambulance the agency that takes care of you at football games? There are lots of good people who work on the ambulance, but they aren't ego driven, as it isn't as glorious when one is alone in the back of an ambulance with a patient who is one step away from the grave and all that is keeping them from falling in is you. The fire department is very different though. An ego can really be pumped up as long as someone else sees how great you are.
Bluelight

New Durham, NH

#30 Sep 21, 2008
The Hovercraft was purchased with Grant money from the state. Sadly, the Susquehanna River has claimed several lives in the past. Harpursville is a member of the Eastern Broome Water Rescue and the Hovercraft is utilized by neighboring companies as well. Expensive? How do you place a price on saving a life?
Observer

Binghamton, NY

#31 Sep 22, 2008
Real Firefighter, I noticed that you never got an answer on the $1 fire truck question that was meant for West Colesville.
Observer

Binghamton, NY

#32 Sep 22, 2008
Bluelight wrote:
We do have a code of ethics in place as well as by-laws, guidelines, and every other piece of paper that the state requires.
I hate to get involved in these and I hate even worse to criticise this group of volunteers who do help their community. Those people do deserve credit for their effots. But I do have to make a comment avout this statement.

It is obvious that bylaws mean absolutely nothing to that organization. They interpret them to their advantage, change, manipulate, or even totally ignore their very own bylaws when it suits them. If something comes up and the bylaws won't allow them to get their way (especially a certain current chief), you can bet that the bylaws get changed or even ignored.

This is unfortunately a very common practice.
Real firefighter

Norfolk, VA

#33 Sep 22, 2008
No I didn't hear anything about the 1 dollar truck, but I suppose it's a moot point now.
And a Hovercraft! Wow! No flat bottom john boats for you, or even a rigid hull inflatable. Imagine how many of those you could have purchased for the coast of a hovercraft. But that wouldn't be nearly as cool though. The Navy Seals use hovercraft. That kind of makes them like Seals doesn't it?
I've heard anecdotally about the bylaws thing, but I'm pretty removed from that, but I am not surprised. And it is a common practice, though not quite so dramatically or extensively in a paid, career department.
interested citizen

New Durham, NH

#34 Sep 22, 2008
what ever happened to the firefighter in west colesville who took a great deal of money and used it for his personal needs?
Real firefighter

Norfolk, VA

#35 Sep 22, 2008
I didn't hear about that incident. Was it recent?
interested citizen

New Durham, NH

#36 Sep 22, 2008
Last spring, over 20,000 dollars
Tony

Lake Ariel, PA

#37 Sep 22, 2008
"what ever happened to the firefighter in west colesville who took a great deal of money and used it for his personal needs?"

"Last spring, over 20,000 dollars"

A buddy told my that was a totally different fire dept., it wasn't Harpursville... Some one by the name of "Pops", he was there treasurer, and as far as my buddy knows he was just spanked on his hand, and BOOTED from West Colesville Fire Dept., that's all my buddy knows....
interested citizen

New Durham, NH

#38 Sep 22, 2008
that was tax payer money, shouldn't the tax payers know this. I realize that it is pennies compared to what has happened on the federal level but it is still a crime.
Observer

Binghamton, NY

#39 Sep 23, 2008
Real firefighter wrote:
No I didn't hear anything about the 1 dollar truck, but I suppose it's a moot point now.
And a Hovercraft! Wow! No flat bottom john boats for you, or even a rigid hull inflatable. Imagine how many of those you could have purchased for the coast of a hovercraft. But that wouldn't be nearly as cool though. The Navy Seals use hovercraft. That kind of makes them like Seals doesn't it?
I've heard anecdotally about the bylaws thing, but I'm pretty removed from that, but I am not surprised. And it is a common practice, though not quite so dramatically or extensively in a paid, career department.
I suppose it is a moot point about the truck that was supposed to go to West Colesville, but it still isn't right. What do you suppose Harpursville offered to West Colesville to try and make up for their greed?
That whole bylaws thing, too bad there isn't a state agency that oversees that nonsense like they do the financial records. They really go beyond ignoring those bylaws every time they have an election and the right puppet isn't able to hold an office - but somehow gets elected anyway. It is like a race to see who can ignore those bylaws first.
FIRE

Binghamton, NY

#40 Sep 23, 2008
interested citizen wrote:
that was tax payer money, shouldn't the tax payers know this. I realize that it is pennies compared to what has happened on the federal level but it is still a crime.
I find it very interesting to read these type of message threads. it reminds me of another website in the area. Everyone spouting off about what they think and what they believe to be the truth in their own eyes. I will say this, there are quite a few people here who actually know what they are talking about. As far as the Harpursville bashing. I am not in the harpursville Fire Company, so this is not personal with me on that line of thought. What is personall is that several of you ca sit back and trash talk a group of people doing what thay feel is right for the community. yep, the current chief does what he wants, when he wants. As someone previous said, "they should be elected" THEY ARE! Every year they hold elections. NO ONE else runs against him. Why? no one else has the ability nor the want to put in as much time as he does. If those commenting here have no experience in the fire service let alone as a chief officer, you have no clue as to what is required. If you are a FF, then maybe you should put a little more time in and then take your personal issues with the man to him! or is it easier to "keyboard whip" him where your ID is hidden. I have had my in-differences with him too, but we also get the job done when needed, together! The quint.... Hmmm I have seen it used. Too bad "the good ol boys in the other deprtments didnt spend as much time utilzing it as they do trying to figure out how not to use it. THE HOVERCRAFT. Its a wonderful thing to have available but rarely used (if you get what i am saying) The only waste is the time spent thinking about getting it, not getting it, then needing it and not having it! And lastly, the original reason i started typing.(tax payer money) find a member of that company and ask!

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