Teachers strike in Souderton District

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Souderton Area High School student Bianca Cavacini was not in school Tuesday because of a teachers strike but she was at school anyway.
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Woodbridge, NJ

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#147
Sep 17, 2008
 
accountability wrote:
Hank, they aren't asking for 8.2 per year. Don't you understand negotiations? Both groups start somewhere and then they meet in between. Who said get a contract at any cost? Did anyone say cave? I said NEGOTIATE. Both sides should be held accountable to negotiate. It MUST be done, that is how the system works. No one here created it, it's the way it is. So, get to the room, negotiate, and start school. It is part of their job and I still maintain if the board had started early, beginning of the year, we would not be in this mess.
So it would be OK if the school board started with a 5% pay cut and then negotiated to a final settlement. Would you claim that a 5% cut is unreasonable? Well the union's first offer of 9.5% per year for 5 years was unreasonable.

The union strategists have bungled the negotiation. When this is settled, the union will not get the raise they wanted and there will be a huge rift between teachers and parents that will carry over to the next contract.
Yea Right

Bangor, PA

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#148
Sep 17, 2008
 
WOW... I would be ashamed to show my face if I made that kind of money with summers off and had the nerve to say "Give me more!"
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#149
Sep 17, 2008
 
Michelle wrote:
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The Truth about Percentages - 9/15/08
( http://saea.info/ )
There have been many questions and reactions from the public about the statistic that the board keeps quoting, that "SAEA is asking for teachers to receive an 8% raise." We feel it is important to address this misleading information once and for all. This quote has been taken out of context and is being used in an incorrect way by the media and school board.
First and foremost, this statistic does not mean that each teacher in SASD will receive that percentage. This number refers to the increase to the overall salary schedule budget. SAEA is committed to fixing our salary schedule so that the lower end of the salary scale becomes competitive with those of surrounding school districts. This means that the 201 teachers at the top of the scale that Jeffery Sultanik refers to in his 9/12 North Penn Reporter interview would only receive cost of living increases in order to help balance the salaries of younger teachers. We want to remain competitive; we must stem the flow of teachers out of our school district. However, the school board continues to ignore the problem, only offering 2.5% which will maintain Souderton as the lowest paid in Montgomery County.
... We accept that there will be a compromise between the two numbers, and we have undergone several revisions in an effort to find a compromise. The board has not. The constant citation of this number by the school board is being used to justify its own intransigence and hide the fact that they have not made any movement on the salary item since Labor Day negotiations.
I applaud your effort to try and use facts, but you're not there yet.
You agree that the average pay increase is 8.2% and that not all teachers will get that raise. OK then let's have the details. to average 8.2% some must be above and some below...(I learned that from a teacher) Is the union afraid to announce that someone is getting a 10% raise? That should really fire up the readers!

The average pay of Souderton teachers is listed at 15th out of 21 school districts. They are not last as the SAEA claims. When a union is caught in a lie, the validity of all the statements is damaged and everything is questioned.
Souderton Mom

Doylestown, PA

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#150
Sep 17, 2008
 
carbuncle wrote:
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I think for full effect they need get some old appliance boxes and live in the Souderton park until they get what they want.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!! You crack me up! Don't give them any ideas!
Souderton Mom

Doylestown, PA

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#151
Sep 17, 2008
 
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I teach in this district and you're right, we keep spending our money on stupid sh*t, like tissues for the classroom, pencils for kids who never have them, posters to decorate our walls, bulletin board decorations, CD/DVD players, binders (that work), pencil sharpeners, treats and incentives for student rewards... NONE of these things get supplied to teachers at Souderton and I don't see the parents sending them in. So, yeah, we care and we do buy a lot of stupid sh*t.
Let me just say, you are an EXTREMELY RUDE Teacher and I hope my children NEVER have you! My children have been going to school in Souderton since Kindergarten and I have sent in COUNTLESS boxes of tissues, paper towels, pencils, snacks,etc....how DARE you say that parents don't send them in. If you are that unhappy and resent what you do then find another job! Teachers like you ARE the problem...blame everyone else and then expect the parents to support your salary increase...Try working a job year round and receive very little vacation time and barely a cost of living raise and then we'll talk. I don't get my summers off, I don't get all the holidays off - and before you spout off I have a college degree and I knew the field that I work in required alot of hours.....I accept that. I don't blame other people and cry like a spoiled child when I don't get my way. GROW UP and get back in school and do what you're paid for!!!
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#152
Sep 17, 2008
 
I still say that best idea is to take the average income of a resident living in a particular school district, add 20% and that's what the teachers should earn. And if they live in the school district, give them another 5-10%. Then they should be happy cause they will be one of the highest paid in their community.
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#153
Sep 17, 2008
 
If you know where you can get a pedicure in less than 40 minutes, let me know where!!! I LOVE your comment. Come on folks, why don't you get into the schools and see what goes on. Some of you are obviously ignorant of the demands, the pace, the paperwork, and the frustrations that occur on a daily basis. As a teacher, I can tell you that I love my job. To those who think it is such a gravy train job, go out and arrange loans so that you can go to college, and earn your teaching credentials. Get off of your computer and come spend a day shadowing any teacher. To the Souderton teachers, stay strong. To the Souderton school board, how about acting just a little interested in quality education. Well, I am off to get a pedicure now (I work in a school district that pays me a fair salary and I earn every penny of it.) There is no better investment than education.
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Do any other teachers out there get sick of hearing non-teachers mention "planning periods?" Think about it, people. Prep periods are where we work. It's a different kind of work than when our 110 students are with us (secondary); it's grading their assessments, organizing materials for the lesson, making copies, answering phonecalls and emails, and much more. To give us only 40 minutes to handle our preparation is a joke in itself, but it's a start. Prep period is work, just like the work you do to perform your tasks. What do think we do during prep, get a pedicure?
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#154
Sep 17, 2008
 
manipedi wrote:
There is no better investment than education.
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I met a salesman who said the same thing about time-shares.
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Sep 17, 2008
 
carbuncle wrote:
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I met a salesman who said the same thing about time-shares.
lol THATS THE BEST POST I"VE READ !!
Souderton Mom

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#156
Sep 18, 2008
 
manipedi wrote:
If you know where you can get a pedicure in less than 40 minutes, let me know where!!! I LOVE your comment. Come on folks, why don't you get into the schools and see what goes on. Some of you are obviously ignorant of the demands, the pace, the paperwork, and the frustrations that occur on a daily basis. As a teacher, I can tell you that I love my job. To those who think it is such a gravy train job, go out and arrange loans so that you can go to college, and earn your teaching credentials. Get off of your computer and come spend a day shadowing any teacher. To the Souderton teachers, stay strong. To the Souderton school board, how about acting just a little interested in quality education. Well, I am off to get a pedicure now (I work in a school district that pays me a fair salary and I earn every penny of it.) There is no better investment than education.
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"The demands, the pace, the paperwork"....please, each of us have this everyday at our jobs, we don't stomp our feet and strike when we don't get our way. It's called being an adult and knowing what you're job requirements. What a crybaby!!!
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#157
Sep 18, 2008
 
OFF THE STREETS & IN THE CLASSROOMS! What freakin cry babies. If you don't like the board is offering, go work at Burger King!!
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#158
Sep 18, 2008
 
Yea Right wrote:
I still say that best idea is to take the average income of a resident living in a particular school district, add 20% and that's what the teachers should earn. And if they live in the school district, give them another 5-10%. Then they should be happy cause they will be one of the highest paid in their community.
Why?? Most of the animosity toward teachers is because they enjoy employment protection. They don't have a market driven pay scale. Even in down years teachers get a raise. Empoyees at Asher's Chocolates have a wage freeze this year. No increase. Average pay increases at Merck are 3% with inflation running at 4%. Merck employees are moving backward.

The public is irritated by the "give away" raises. I don't think a guaranteed wage would be a solution.
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Telford, PA

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#159
Sep 23, 2008
 
The problem lies with Souderton. Until they get big companies on their land paying serious taxes, there won't be any relief from the property/school taxes. You can't start a business unless your name is Landis or Fretz. The teachers are getting paid significantly less than inferior districts within their county. I don't believe all teachers should get a raise, but Souderton is really due for a big one.

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