Evolution cancels .. Evolution

[rawtruth]

For the theory of evolution to hold any kind of credibility then there had to be a starting point. Evolution is the process of changing, evolving. Sometimes into completely different life forms from a separate host life form. Well for that theory to be true then where was the starting point.

For evolution to be true there has to be a starting point and ultimately an ending point. And all the ingredients must be present in the beginning. So where did these ingredients come from?

Most proponents of evolution believe in the Big Bang theory. A few believe in the steady state theory. But if the big bang theory states that in the beginning there was nothing but gas and dust and then suddenly a huge explosion. Well if we are going to believe in evolution we cant start there. We must start at the beginning.(The "Big Bang" would not be the absolute beginning) Where did the gas come from? Where did the dust come from? What was the ignition source? Where did the oxygen come from to sustain such and explosion? What created the dust and the gas? Did they just appear from .... NOTHING? And one basic rule of science that is easily proven is the fact that: You cannot have a fire or explosion without OXYGEN! Where did the oxygen needed to sustain the explosion come from?.. Nowhere?....From NOTHING?

So you see. To believe in evolution you must first find a beginning. A starting point. Something cannot just appear from NOTHING!

If you're going to bake a cake regardless of the type all ingredients must be present. So if evolution is true ALL ingredients of EVERYTHING that now exist had to be present in the beginning.

[Truth is out there]

Aliens plain and simple, also why does there have to be a start and an end that is something we came up
With to try to
Measure the vastness of time and space

[Fact Over Fiction]

Ah, the big unanswerable question. How did it all begin? Pick your side Science or Faith. You know what? No one really knows. However, I will debate what you said about evolution not being true. In order to survive an organism must adapt. Adaptation and evolution go hand in hand.(They are good buddies)

Hmmm, if I only had some evidence of evolution laying around in a thing called a, Fossil Record. If only there were present day organisms of the same species that were separated by geographical boundaries and over the span of a few decades the two groups adapted to survive 2 different climates and are now so genetically diverse they can no longer interbreed making then two completely different species. What would you call something like that, a Ring Species?

[Jimmy Rants]

rawtruth wrote:

For the theory of evolution to hold any kind of credibility then there had to be a starting point. Evolution is the process of changing, evolving. Sometimes
For evolution to be true there has to be a starting point and ultimately an ending point. And all the ingredients must be present in the beginning. So where did these ingredients come from?
Most proponents of evolution believe in the Big Bang theory. A few believe in the steady state theory. But if the big bang theory states that in the beginning there was nothing but gas and dust and then suddenly a huge explosion. Well if we are going to believe in evolution we cant start there. We must start at the beginning.(The "Big Bang" would not be the absolute beginning) Where did the gas come from? Where did the dust come from? What was the ignition source? Where did the oxygen come from to sustain such and explosion? What created the dust and the gas? Did they just appear from .... NOTHING? And one basic rule of science that is easily proven is the fact that: You cannot have a needed to sustain the explosion come from?.. Nowhere?....From NOTHING?
So you see. To believe in evolution you must first find a beginning. A starting point. Something cannot just appear from NOTHING!
If you're going to bake a cake regardless of the type all ingredients must be present. So if evolution is true ALL ingredients of EVERYTHING that now exist had to be present in the beginning.

As long as we see Earth as separate from Cosmos and it's constant changing, and until we realize the we (Earth) are nothing more than a temporary atom in the body of space; and that in the body of Cosmos, just like our own, which loses cells and builds in others so that our present bodies are not the same as they were one second ago, the body of Space changes by the loss of it's cells/atoms and is not the sames as it was, but is evolving.

Evolution is obvious. I looked at a Sequoia seed, and was amazed at the fact that such a small, thin sliver of a seed contained that giant of a tree. Is anything conceived fully developed? Talk about evolving. All sentient life forms evolve from a seed into full maturity. We evolved from seed through all the stages of gestation, are born and when we die look nothing like our father's seed. Even astronomers watch solar systems begin from what appears to be empty space, and evolve into what we see today. Again, evolution is obvious.

The entirety of infinity is constantly evolving. We hear it said that the universe is not evolving, it's running down, out of energy. Entropy it is called. Of course it is, The dying of the old so that a better structure can be built in its place is a necessary part of the evolutionary process. Will the force that caused Expansion (the Big Bang) universe of which we are a part and which created the density of manifestation eventually weaken to the point where contraction can occur, the universal structure, having served it's purpose, being destroyed so that another can takes it's place, another with an even greater potential? As we all know, the greatest of all human minds, collectively, cannot comprehend the vastness of infinity, or it's goal.

It applies to all structures which run their course, serve their purpose, are condemned, destroyed, so another, more suitable one can be built in it's place. The ancient Hindus called it the Cosmic Dance of Shiva, and modern astronomers are calling it the "intrinsically dynamic universe."

How and when did it all begin? Who knows. But, once again. We will never understand evolution until we see ourselves as part of an ever changing/evolving Cosmos.

The universe is expanding. Moving away from the center of itself. If you could reverse this expansion, it would lead to you the point that exploded, or the "Big Bang."

There never was a time when there was nothing. Space is something. Never was there a time where space was nothing but a concrete block.

[rawtruth]

Fact Over Fiction wrote:

Ah, the big unanswerable question. How did it all begin? Pick your side Science or Faith. You know what? No one really knows. However, I will debate what you said about evolution not being true. In order to survive an organism must adapt. Adaptation and evolution go hand in hand.(They are good buddies)
Hmmm, if I only had some evidence of evolution laying around in a thing called a, Fossil Record. If only there were present day organisms of the same species that were separated by geographical boundaries and over the span of a few decades the two groups adapted to survive 2 different climates and are now so genetically diverse they can no longer interbreed making then two completely different species. What would you call something like that, a Ring Species?

I would call it an UN-Proven theory.

You people amaze me. You criticize everyone who believes in anything (Not just religion) that cannot be proven. Or has little evidence to support its claims. And then you turn around and believe in something your self that is merely a MANS interpretations and observations. Of course there fossil records But that proves absolutely nothing. Who's to say that in spite of all their great wisdom those who interpret these things are DEAD wrong? Where is the missing link that directly links humans and chimps to singular ancestor? It does not exist! Where is the undeniable proof that the big bang even took place? It too does not exist. Just becuase a man spent years staring at rocks and then one day said "Eureka I got it, this is how it all happened" does not make it true.

At one time the wisest of the day believed that the Earth was flat. And all the people believed it along with them becuase they were "Educated" therefore they could not be wrong.(Sounds like people of today. If someone went to college then dag gum he CANNOT he wrong! Right?)

I say life is too complex to even consider evolution as an answer for all that we see or know.

[Honestly]

The "big bang theory" could and would have been recreated by man by now. Evolving from apes?...lol...Have to laugh at the thoughts of that one. Anyway, history always repeats it's self. It hasn't happened again.

[Jimmy Rants]

rawtruth wrote:

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I would call it an UN-Proven theory.
You people amaze me. You criticize everyone who believes in anything (Not just religion) that cannot be proven. Or has little evidence to support its claims. And then you turn around and believe in something your self that is merely a MANS interpretations and observations. Of course there fossil records But that proves absolutely nothing. Who's to say that in spite of all their great wisdom those who interpret these things are DEAD wrong? Where is the missing link that directly links humans and chimps to singular ancestor? It does not exist! Where is the undeniable proof that the big bang even took place? It too does not exist. Just becuase a man spent years staring at rocks and then one day said "Eureka I got it, this is how it all happened" does not make it true.
At one time the wisest of the day believed that the Earth was flat. And all the people believed it along with them becuase they were "Educated" therefore they could not be wrong.(Sounds like people of today. If someone went to college then dag gum he CANNOT he wrong! Right?)
I say life is too complex to even consider evolution as an answer for all that we see or know.

Raw, we can see new solar systems form every second and they all start by an explosion, or a bang. Why would earth be any different? It wouldn't.

Why is there no mention of caveman, or prehistoric man in your bible? Ever think about that? We have their bones in museums all over the world.

What would you call it when mineral turns into plant? We can see this now happening? It's called evolution.

We did NOT evolve from apes, we coexisted with them. You're getting into Darwinism, and most men of science do not accept that ONE theory as "that is how it is only, or might be." We have better science today in the fields of chemistry, geology, microbiology, all areas of physics and on and on I could go.

Again, we do not need a missing link since we now have something more precise called DNA.

When the European plate crashed into the African plate, there's where you will most likely find this missing link you speak of that we no longer need. That would mean you would have to go under the ocean (miles deep), then dig out about 5 miles deep of earth for 1,000s of miles). It's impossible today to do that.

You do know about plate tectonics don't you?

Science is trying to answer very hard questions, but even scientist do not make absolute claims since nothing is absolute.

I really wish you had the curiosity to buy a few physics books for people with a limited science background. "The Tao of Physics" is one of them. I think this would open a few new doors for you that could explain things to you much better than I could since you have taken this bias, and presuppositional position with me.

In other words, if Jimmy Rants says it, it has to be a wrong concept. I cannot make headway with that line of thinking of your presupposition.

[rawtruth]

Jimmy Rants wrote:

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Raw, we can see new solar systems form every second and they all start by an explosion, or a bang. Why would earth be any different? It wouldn't.
Why is there no mention of caveman, or prehistoric man in your bible? Ever think about that? We have their bones in museums all over the world.
What would you call it when mineral turns into plant? We can see this now happening? It's called evolution.
We did NOT evolve from apes, we coexisted with them. You're getting into Darwinism, and most men of science do not accept that ONE theory as "that is how it is only, or might be." We have better science today in the fields of chemistry, geology, microbiology, all areas of physics and on and on I could go.
Again, we do not need a missing link since we now have something more precise called DNA.
When the European plate crashed into the African plate, there's where you will most likely find this missing link you speak of that we no longer need. That would mean you would have to go under the ocean (miles deep), then dig out about 5 miles deep of earth for 1,000s of miles). It's impossible today to do that.
You do know about plate tectonics don't you?
Science is trying to answer very hard questions, but even scientist do not make absolute claims since nothing is absolute.
I really wish you had the curiosity to buy a few physics books for people with a limited science background. "The Tao of Physics" is one of them. I think this would open a few new doors for you that could explain things to you much better than I could since you have taken this bias, and presuppositional position with me.
In other words, if Jimmy Rants says it, it has to be a wrong concept. I cannot make headway with that line of thinking of your presupposition.

Here is a simple but true fact.

If the Big Bang theory is true. Then EVERYTHING and I mean everything that we know and see had to be resent in some form. The ingredients for all life and everything that exist had to be present to even begin to evolve right?

And these new solar systems that you claim are forming every day. Uh can you or anyone else prove that? They look through a telescope and see something and say "Oh wow a new solar system being formed" Can they be 100% sure that is what they are witnessing? You take anything that ANY person who holds a paper certifying that he is a student of higher learning declares as the gospel truth. And all I know is true, is that men, the wisest that have ever lived have always been WRONG in one way or another. I am not as easily convinced as the simple minded like you are.

[rawtruth]

Jimmy Rants wrote:

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Raw, we can see new solar systems form every second and they all start by an explosion, or a bang. Why would earth be any different? It wouldn't.
Why is there no mention of caveman, or prehistoric man in your bible? Ever think about that? We have their bones in museums all over the world.
What would you call it when mineral turns into plant? We can see this now happening? It's called evolution.
We did NOT evolve from apes, we coexisted with them. You're getting into Darwinism, and most men of science do not accept that ONE theory as "that is how it is only, or might be." We have better science today in the fields of chemistry, geology, microbiology, all areas of physics and on and on I could go.
Again, we do not need a missing link since we now have something more precise called DNA.
When the European plate crashed into the African plate, there's where you will most likely find this missing link you speak of that we no longer need. That would mean you would have to go under the ocean (miles deep), then dig out about 5 miles deep of earth for 1,000s of miles). It's impossible today to do that.
You do know about plate tectonics don't you?
Science is trying to answer very hard questions, but even scientist do not make absolute claims since nothing is absolute.
I really wish you had the curiosity to buy a few physics books for people with a limited science background. "The Tao of Physics" is one of them. I think this would open a few new doors for you that could explain things to you much better than I could since you have taken this bias, and presuppositional position with me.
In other words, if Jimmy Rants says it, it has to be a wrong concept. I cannot make headway with that line of thinking of your presupposition.

Oh yeah Jim I been meaning to ask you. Since you believe so strongly in reincarnation. Who were you in your past life?

I have noticed that people who believe in reincarnation always claim to be someone famous or at least semi-famous in their past lives. I dont think I have ever heard one say "In my past life I was a disease riddled child molester" HA!

If reincarnation is true he next time I'll bet you'll come back as a living breathing life sized mullet! HA!

Reincarnation. Man that kills it! HA! Talk about a good laugh.

[people]

know so little about things.

[lol]

rawtruth wrote:

For the theory of evolution to hold any kind of credibility then there had to be a starting point. Evolution is the process of changing, evolving. Sometimes into completely different life forms from a separate host life form. Well for that theory to be true then where was the starting point.
For evolution to be true there has to be a starting point and ultimately an ending point. And all the ingredients must be present in the beginning. So where did these ingredients come from?
Most proponents of evolution believe in the Big Bang theory. A few believe in the steady state theory. But if the big bang theory states that in the beginning there was nothing but gas and dust and then suddenly a huge explosion. Well if we are going to believe in evolution we cant start there. We must start at the beginning.(The "Big Bang" would not be the absolute beginning) Where did the gas come from? Where did the dust come from? What was the ignition source? Where did the oxygen come from to sustain such and explosion? What created the dust and the gas? Did they just appear from .... NOTHING? And one basic rule of science that is easily proven is the fact that: You cannot have a fire or explosion without OXYGEN! Where did the oxygen needed to sustain the explosion come from?.. Nowhere?....From NOTHING?
So you see. To believe in evolution you must first find a beginning. A starting point. Something cannot just appear from NOTHING!
If you're going to bake a cake regardless of the type all ingredients must be present. So if evolution is true ALL ingredients of EVERYTHING that now exist had to be present in the beginning.

Honestly, nobody knows or has positive proof of how life began. I can tell you that you and I were products of sex! No divine creation, just 2 horny people! Because 2 horny people had sex we are going to heaven or hell? Nobody ask me, and if they had used a condom, I would have never known. So what has all that got to do with religion?

[Jimmy Rants]

rawtruth wrote:

<quoted text>
Here is a simple but true fact.
If the Big Bang theory is true. Then EVERYTHING and I mean everything that we know and see had to be resent in some form. The ingredients for all life and everything that exist had to be present to even begin to evolve right?
And these new solar systems that you claim are forming every day. Uh can you or anyone else prove that? They look through a telescope and see something and say "Oh wow a new solar system being formed" Can they be 100% sure that is what they are witnessing? You take anything that ANY person who holds a paper certifying that he is a student of higher learning declares as the gospel truth. And all I know is true, is that men, the wisest that have ever lived have always been WRONG in one way or another. I am not as easily convinced as the simple minded like you are.

All ingredients were present during the "Big Bang." The same ingredients in you, are also in stellar space. Evolution (changing) is the process that, over time, creates what we have today molecularity speaking.(Keep in mind here the universe is expanding, growing away from itself from the center. Throw that expansion in reverse, and it will return you to that Big Bang.

Yes, scientist can see 100 new solar systems forming every second in the observable universe. I am not making this up.

You have to do some research to see what I am saying is true.

Ever read a man by the name of Dr. Michio Kaku. He is the new Einstein of today. Go to youtube.com and type in his name. I think you would find him amazing if nothing else.

I highly suggest you read some of his theoretical physics.

Many of us, like me, are trying to learn Raw. Ya know...SEEK as your very own god said to do.