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“"South of Southern”

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#1 Nov 29, 2012
I read some of these pro-Obama threads. And I must say that it seems like the Obamanites are just about the most naive people on topix.

I cannot believe their stupidity. Sometimes I read an Obama supporters remarks and it makes me laugh and sometimes I just have to walk away scratching my head in wonderment of just how easily simple minded people (Like the Obamanites) can be fooled.

For instance Obama's pledge NOT to raise taxes on the middle class. And his pledge to raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans. The Obamanites ate that up. And they actually believe that raising taxes on the rich will solve all of our problems. And what they fail to realize is that its .... YOU .... The middle class that is going to Pay these tax hikes.

You idiots don't even realize that any raise in taxes for the wealthiest Americans is going to be passed on to the ... MIDDLE CLASS!

You WILL pay for it sooner or later.

The wealthiest Americans are NOT going to pay any increase in taxes. They pass those expenses down to the middle class. Anything that causes the large corporations to have to spend more is expenses that is ALWAYS passed down to the consumer. IDIOTS!

We see it happening right now. A few short yeas ago I could purchase a months worth of groceries for my entire family for about $200. But now on account of the drought and EPA regulations the farmers have raised their prices to cope and guess who has payed the bill? The middle class.

Everything will sky rocket and wages will stay the same. The companies are going to pass the increased taxes down the lines to the consumers. Just remeber that when your little gadgets, bread, butter, gas,EVERY dang thing sky rockets.

But remember you asked for it. 4 MORE YEARS!

Tax the wealthy! Make it fair for all! Go after the large corporations and we will....... PAY THOSE TAXES FOR THEM! HA HA HA!

You stupid Obama supporters are going to pay for Obamas tax hikes either directly or indirectly whether you like it of not! DEAL WITH IT!

Have a Good'un.

“There's more than one religion”

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#2 Nov 29, 2012
rawtruth wrote:
I read some of these pro-Obama threads. And I must say that it seems like the Obamanites are just about the most naive people on topix.
I cannot believe their stupidity. Sometimes I read an Obama supporters remarks and it makes me laugh and sometimes I just have to walk away scratching my head in wonderment of just how easily simple minded people (Like the Obamanites) can be fooled.
For instance Obama's pledge NOT to raise taxes on the middle class. And his pledge to raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans. The Obamanites ate that up. And they actually believe that raising taxes on the rich will solve all of our problems. And what they fail to realize is that its .... YOU .... The middle class that is going to Pay these tax hikes.
You idiots don't even realize that any raise in taxes for the wealthiest Americans is going to be passed on to the ... MIDDLE CLASS!
You WILL pay for it sooner or later.
The wealthiest Americans are NOT going to pay any increase in taxes. They pass those expenses down to the middle class. Anything that causes the large corporations to have to spend more is expenses that is ALWAYS passed down to the consumer. IDIOTS!
We see it happening right now. A few short yeas ago I could purchase a months worth of groceries for my entire family for about $200. But now on account of the drought and EPA regulations the farmers have raised their prices to cope and guess who has payed the bill? The middle class.
Everything will sky rocket and wages will stay the same. The companies are going to pass the increased taxes down the lines to the consumers. Just remeber that when your little gadgets, bread, butter, gas,EVERY dang thing sky rockets.
But remember you asked for it. 4 MORE YEARS!
Tax the wealthy! Make it fair for all! Go after the large corporations and we will....... PAY THOSE TAXES FOR THEM! HA HA HA!
You stupid Obama supporters are going to pay for Obamas tax hikes either directly or indirectly whether you like it of not! DEAL WITH IT!
Have a Good'un.
If Obamanites are the most naive, would that make you the most cynical?

Who is currently refusing to extend tax cuts to the middle class? Republicans.

Who wants to protect the top 1%(since about 1/2 of that 2% is Democrat)? Republicans.

Which half of the 2% threatens to raise costs, cut hours, or stop hiring if they get taxed? The Republican 1/2.

Which group of people want to secede from the country? Republicans.

Which side isn't willing to compromise (it isn't a 4-letter word), but would instead hold the country hostage to their wants? Republicans.

Which side, despite their most recent losses and public support for progressive policies, refuse to look at the real reasons they lost? Republicans.

It seems "someone's" cynicism is only matched by their need to call people names...

Since: May 12

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#3 Nov 29, 2012
Apple At Cha wrote:
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If Obamanites are the most naive, would that make you the most cynical?
Who is currently refusing to extend tax cuts to the middle class? Republicans.
Who wants to protect the top 1%(since about 1/2 of that 2% is Democrat)? Republicans.
Which half of the 2% threatens to raise costs, cut hours, or stop hiring if they get taxed? The Republican 1/2.
Which group of people want to secede from the country? Republicans.
Which side isn't willing to compromise (it isn't a 4-letter word), but would instead hold the country hostage to their wants? Republicans.
Which side, despite their most recent losses and public support for progressive policies, refuse to look at the real reasons they lost? Republicans.
It seems "someone's" cynicism is only matched by their need to call people names...
Your comments have wasted 30 seconds of my life. I think the threads on "who's a rat" and "who's the father of so-and-so's baby" are a better use of my time than your idiocy.

Republicans not willing to compromise? Harry Reid said entilements would not be on the table. The dumbocrats' definition of compromise is raise taxes and then find ways to spend it. Today Obama suggested going ahead with the tax hike, and discussion on budget cuts would come later. There was also some suggestion of removing any ceiling on the debt. Their fiscal policies are absolutely insane. There isn't enough tax money in the country to pay the national debt and all the unfunded future SS and Medicare liabilities that are coming down the road.

I'll chalk up your stupidity to herb use. I'm assuming from your avatar and motto that you're some kind of wiccan.

Now please, don't put a spell on me.
now

Wooton, KY

#4 Nov 29, 2012
them old dem's picked up another seat today in North Carolina.them old lib's...
Yaku

Ocoee, FL

#5 Nov 29, 2012
rawtruth wrote:
I read some of these pro-Obama threads. And I must say that it seems like the Obamanites are just about the most naive people on topix.
I cannot believe their stupidity. Sometimes I read an Obama supporters remarks and it makes me laugh and sometimes I just have to walk away scratching my head in wonderment of just how easily simple minded people (Like the Obamanites) can be fooled.
For instance Obama's pledge NOT to raise taxes on the middle class. And his pledge to raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans. The Obamanites ate that up. And they actually believe that raising taxes on the rich will solve all of our problems. And what they fail to realize is that its .... YOU .... The middle class that is going to Pay these tax hikes.
You idiots don't even realize that any raise in taxes for the wealthiest Americans is going to be passed on to the ... MIDDLE CLASS!
You WILL pay for it sooner or later.
The wealthiest Americans are NOT going to pay any increase in taxes. They pass those expenses down to the middle class. Anything that causes the large corporations to have to spend more is expenses that is ALWAYS passed down to the consumer. IDIOTS!
We see it happening right now. A few short yeas ago I could purchase a months worth of groceries for my entire family for about $200. But now on account of the drought and EPA regulations the farmers have raised their prices to cope and guess who has payed the bill? The middle class.
Everything will sky rocket and wages will stay the same. The companies are going to pass the increased taxes down the lines to the consumers. Just remeber that when your little gadgets, bread, butter, gas,EVERY dang thing sky rockets.
But remember you asked for it. 4 MORE YEARS!
Tax the wealthy! Make it fair for all! Go after the large corporations and we will....... PAY THOSE TAXES FOR THEM! HA HA HA!
You stupid Obama supporters are going to pay for Obamas tax hikes either directly or indirectly whether you like it of not! DEAL WITH IT!
Have a Good'un.
1)Stop writing nonsense,other than you,no one has claimed that increasing taxes on the rich will solve all our problems.

2)That any tax raises on the wealthy will be passed down to the middle class is nonsense.
You made a statement,not supported by the facts.
Take someone like Mitt Romney,Rush Limbaugh,Sean Hannity,Ed Beck or many other wealthy individuals who neither manufacture or produce any tangible goods,other than chaos ,How are they going to pass down the cost of those expenses down to the middle class?
Moreover,when prices go up on goods,they are passed downs to ALL consumers,regardless of their income.
97% of small corporations will not see an increase in their taxes,so they have no reason to raise their prices.
The ones that are affected by a tax increase can increase their prices and see their sales volumes plumet. Consumers will see to that.
Last year,bank of America tried to impose a fee of $25.00 on checking accounts to cover some costs they incurred as a result of banking regulations. Consumers went to the bank ,withdrew their money and put it in credit unions. A day later,BAC rescinded the fee and apologized for having imposed it in the first place.

If,by raising taxes on the 2% of the population would have an adverse effect on the middle class was a legitimate argument, you can bet your bottom dollar the Republicans would be shouting it from the housetops.

There is an argument to be made that,by increasing taxes on large corporations,will lead to job creation.

Whom may or may not be naive,or a fool,is in the eye of the beholder,,,,and my eye says Iam neither naive or a fool.
just

Hyden, KY

#6 Nov 29, 2012
now wrote:
them old dem's picked up another seat today in North Carolina.them old lib's...
Just like those poor old repubs..

“There's more than one religion”

Since: Aug 11

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#8 Nov 30, 2012
Backroads Wanderer wrote:
<quoted text>
Your comments have wasted 30 seconds of my life. I think the threads on "who's a rat" and "who's the father of so-and-so's baby" are a better use of my time than your idiocy.
Republicans not willing to compromise? Harry Reid said entilements would not be on the table. The dumbocrats' definition of compromise is raise taxes and then find ways to spend it. Today Obama suggested going ahead with the tax hike, and discussion on budget cuts would come later. There was also some suggestion of removing any ceiling on the debt. Their fiscal policies are absolutely insane. There isn't enough tax money in the country to pay the national debt and all the unfunded future SS and Medicare liabilities that are coming down the road.
I'll chalk up your stupidity to herb use. I'm assuming from your avatar and motto that you're some kind of wiccan.
Now please, don't put a spell on me.
Step away from the Faux News. You have no idea what you are talking about. Remove the salary cap for Social security contributions and it would be solvent forever.

Seems you would favor cutting benefits to our elderly. Sorry, but don't claim you want a government based on Christian principles when you oppose a government that cares for the sick, elderly, and poor.

And if I took 30 seconds from your life, it was 30 seconds you couldn't use spreading your neocon drivel. Mission Accomplished! Plus, you spent even extra time responding to me! Who needs a spell, when you have an ego.
golly

Concord, NC

#9 Nov 30, 2012
Social Security has it's very own bank acct. There is NO need to reform it because it has nothing to do with the deficit. It is solvent until 2033! Get the facts.

“"South of Southern”

Since: Jun 10

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#10 Nov 30, 2012
Yaku wrote:
<quoted text>
1)Stop writing nonsense,other than you,no one has claimed that increasing taxes on the rich will solve all our problems.
2)That any tax raises on the wealthy will be passed down to the middle class is nonsense.
You made a statement,not supported by the facts.
Take someone like Mitt Romney,Rush Limbaugh,Sean Hannity,Ed Beck or many other wealthy individuals who neither manufacture or produce any tangible goods,other than chaos ,How are they going to pass down the cost of those expenses down to the middle class?
Moreover,when prices go up on goods,they are passed downs to ALL consumers,regardless of their income.
97% of small corporations will not see an increase in their taxes,so they have no reason to raise their prices.
The ones that are affected by a tax increase can increase their prices and see their sales volumes plumet. Consumers will see to that.
Last year,bank of America tried to impose a fee of $25.00 on checking accounts to cover some costs they incurred as a result of banking regulations. Consumers went to the bank ,withdrew their money and put it in credit unions. A day later,BAC rescinded the fee and apologized for having imposed it in the first place.
If,by raising taxes on the 2% of the population would have an adverse effect on the middle class was a legitimate argument, you can bet your bottom dollar the Republicans would be shouting it from the housetops.
There is an argument to be made that,by increasing taxes on large corporations,will lead to job creation.
Whom may or may not be naive,or a fool,is in the eye of the beholder,,,,and my eye says Iam neither naive or a fool.
Man yer ignorant. The small companies get their supplies from the .. Ahem LARGE CORPORATIONS! And if the large corporations increase their prices (And they will) the small companies must follow suite and pass those expenses on down the line. And financing is not like .. Basic consumer necessities goof ball. You know like FOOD?? You cant WITHDRAW yer stomach and go an a hunger strike. When you need gas You cannot withdraw your gas and cipher some other vehicle! WHEW IDIOCY!

I didn't read most of your comments becuase I am sure its the usual gibberish.

But argue with his.

Every Time. And I men EVERY TIME a company (We can use gas companies, farmers as an example.) of any kind is forced to deal with unforeseen expenses. What do they do to levitate those expenses to ensure that they can maintain a desired profit margin?

They pass those expenses on to the CONSUMER! Are you going to deny that simple fact of business?

And now on top of increased taxes that will be passed on to the middle class. They are going to be forced to deal with Obamacare! And guess who will begin seeing the expense of Obamacare deducted from their wages?

Cutting expenses and maintaining the largest possible profit margin is the core concept of business. How can you try to deny this when we already see the prices of just about everything going up!

You and I the middle class will end up paying for all of this Obama crap sooner or later. Watch and see!
Yaku

Ocoee, FL

#11 Nov 30, 2012
rawtruth wrote:
<quoted text>
Man yer ignorant. The small companies get their supplies from the .. Ahem LARGE CORPORATIONS! And if the large corporations increase their prices (And they will) the small companies must follow suite and pass those expenses on down the line. And financing is not like .. Basic consumer necessities goof ball. You know like FOOD?? You cant WITHDRAW yer stomach and go an a hunger strike. When you need gas You cannot withdraw your gas and cipher some other vehicle! WHEW IDIOCY!
I didn't read most of your comments becuase I am sure its the usual gibberish.
But argue with his.
Every Time. And I men EVERY TIME a company (We can use gas companies, farmers as an example.) of any kind is forced to deal with unforeseen expenses. What do they do to levitate those expenses to ensure that they can maintain a desired profit margin?
They pass those expenses on to the CONSUMER! Are you going to deny that simple fact of business?
And now on top of increased taxes that will be passed on to the middle class. They are going to be forced to deal with Obamacare! And guess who will begin seeing the expense of Obamacare deducted from their wages?
Cutting expenses and maintaining the largest possible profit margin is the core concept of business. How can you try to deny this when we already see the prices of just about everything going up!
You and I the middle class will end up paying for all of this Obama crap sooner or later. Watch and see!
You are stating an opinion that is not supported by any factual evidence,,,,,Otherwise ,provide your sources.
While we cannot say that there is a robust significant positive relationship between tax rates and growth, it is still interesting that regardless of when we start the sample, higher top marginal tax rates are associated with higher not lower growth. Moreover, a narrative reading of postwar US economic history leads to the same conclusion. The period of highest growth in the United States was in the post-war era when top marginal tax rates were 94%(under President Truman) and 91%(through 1963). As top marginal rates dropped, so did growth. Moreover, except for 1984, a recovery year, the highest per capita growth rates since 1980 were all in the late 1990s, after the top marginal tax rate had been increased from 28% under President Reagan to 31% under the first President Bush and then 39.6% under President Clinton. One possible reaction to this finding is that what matters more than the top marginal tax rate on income is the capital gains tax rate but growth has also been higher when the capital gains tax rate has been higher.
Yaku

Ocoee, FL

#12 Nov 30, 2012
One of the most pernicious economic falsehoods you'll hear during the next seven months of political campaigning is there's a necessary tradeoff between fairness and growth. By this view, if we raise taxes on the wealthy the economy can't grow as fast.
Wrong. Taxes were far higher on top incomes in the three decades after World War II than they've been since. And the distribution of income was far more equal. Yet the American economy grew faster in those years than it's grown since tax rates were slashed in 1981.

This wasn't a post-war aberration. Bill Clinton raised taxes on the wealthy in the 1990s, and the economy produced faster job growth and higher wages than it did after George W. Bush slashed taxes on the rich in his first term.

If you need more evidence, consider modern Germany, where taxes on the wealthy are much higher than they are here and the distribution of income is far more equal. But Germany's average annual growth has been faster than that in the United States.

You see, higher taxes on the wealthy can finance more investments in infrastructure and education, which are vital for growth and the economic prospects of the middle class.

Higher taxes on the wealthy also allow for lower taxes on the middle -- potentially restoring enough middle class purchasing power to keep the economy going.

As we've seen in recent years, when disposable income is concentrated at the top, the middle class doesn't have enough money to boost the economy.

What we should have learned over the last half century is that growth doesn't trickle down from the top. It percolates upward from working people who are adequately educated, sufficiently rewarded, and who feel they have a fair chance to make it in America.

Fairness isn't incompatible with growth. It's necessary for it.

Robert Reich
hmmm

Angier, NC

#13 Nov 30, 2012
Raw got the raw ass over being on the losing team. Stupid, the rich buy the same groceries, gas,etc that the middle class do. Obamacare is good Raw. You just don't understand it.
Yaku

Ocoee, FL

#14 Nov 30, 2012
rawtruth wrote:
<quoted text>

I didn't read most of your comments becuase I am sure its the usual gibberish.
Your admission,that you don't read most of my comments,is to your detriment and the primary rason why you remain ignorant.

I,on the other hand,read everything you write,while watching reruns of The 3 Stooges.
Hard to say,which one makes me laugh harder.
omy

Lexington, NC

#15 Nov 30, 2012
Yaku you are correct. The Repubs can't change history so they choose to waste their time denying it. No one can deny that our country was booming when Clinton was in office. Trickle down was a Hoax that has proven to be wrong for many years now.

“"South of Southern”

Since: Jun 10

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#16 Dec 1, 2012
Yaku wrote:
<quoted text>
You are stating an opinion that is not supported by any factual evidence,,,,,Otherwise ,provide your sources.
While we cannot say that there is a robust significant positive relationship between tax rates and growth, it is still interesting that regardless of when we start the sample, higher top marginal tax rates are associated with higher not lower growth. Moreover, a narrative reading of postwar US economic history leads to the same conclusion. The period of highest growth in the United States was in the post-war era when top marginal tax rates were 94%(under President Truman) and 91%(through 1963). As top marginal rates dropped, so did growth. Moreover, except for 1984, a recovery year, the highest per capita growth rates since 1980 were all in the late 1990s, after the top marginal tax rate had been increased from 28% under President Reagan to 31% under the first President Bush and then 39.6% under President Clinton. One possible reaction to this finding is that what matters more than the top marginal tax rate on income is the capital gains tax rate but growth has also been higher when the capital gains tax rate has been higher.
Mt SOURCES...... hmmmmm

O.K here's my sources.

Katrina.
The middle east
The drought
Sandy.

Whenever there is the slightest chance that the oil companies are going to have to pay more to produce oil we see gas prices rise.

Is that true or just my imagination?

You have a drought... Food prices go up. Locust attack yer crops?... Raise prices. Your Farm gets flooded? Raise prices
Gotta pay more taxes? Stiffer costly regulations? Gotta py for Obamacare?.... Raise yer prices!


I have a friend who was just informed that because the electric company that he gets his electricity from was now trying to go with natural gas his electric bill would increase by 16%. And that he cold expect possible additional rate increases in the future.

It dont take much at all to understand that whenever the large corporations are faced with increased expenses they pass those expenses down to the consumer.

Heck my sources are standing about thirty five feet in the air. Whenever anything interrupts the gas production, I know it, becuase I pay for it! And nothing dictates the economy like fuel prices.

If you own a company you must have your products shipped. That means ya gotta hire some trucking company to haul those products. And if the trucking company is paying more for fuel then they're going to charge you more to provide their services and if they charge you more then yo gotta make that money back somehow. How do you do it? RAISE YOUR OWN PRICES?!

Cant you understand the slightest, simplest, most basic rules of business? When Obama's tax hits the corporations everything will rise in price. Especially when its coupled with the expense of Obamacare.

Just wait. And when prices of EVERYTHING starts increasing just remember raw told you so.

The middle class WILL pay for this tax increase and Obamacare.

“"South of Southern”

Since: Jun 10

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#17 Dec 1, 2012
Yaku wrote:
One of the most pernicious economic falsehoods you'll hear during the next seven months of political campaigning is there's a necessary tradeoff between fairness and growth. By this view, if we raise taxes on the wealthy the economy can't grow as fast.
Wrong. Taxes were far higher on top incomes in the three decades after World War II than they've been since. And the distribution of income was far more equal. Yet the American economy grew faster in those years than it's grown since tax rates were slashed in 1981.
This wasn't a post-war aberration. Bill Clinton raised taxes on the wealthy in the 1990s, and the economy produced faster job growth and higher wages than it did after George W. Bush slashed taxes on the rich in his first term.
If you need more evidence, consider modern Germany, where taxes on the wealthy are much higher than they are here and the distribution of income is far more equal. But Germany's average annual growth has been faster than that in the United States.
You see, higher taxes on the wealthy can finance more investments in infrastructure and education, which are vital for growth and the economic prospects of the middle class.
Higher taxes on the wealthy also allow for lower taxes on the middle -- potentially restoring enough middle class purchasing power to keep the economy going.
As we've seen in recent years, when disposable income is concentrated at the top, the middle class doesn't have enough money to boost the economy.
What we should have learned over the last half century is that growth doesn't trickle down from the top. It percolates upward from working people who are adequately educated, sufficiently rewarded, and who feel they have a fair chance to make it in America.
Fairness isn't incompatible with growth. It's necessary for it.
Robert Reich
Oh man you are more stupid than I thought.

After world war two the things that had been neglected because of the war had to be brought up to speed so to speak. And after world war two our companies where supplying vast amounts of products and being awarded unbelievable huge contracts to assist in the rebuilding of Europe-Japan.(Uh Europe is not in need of rebuilding at the moment.) And after world war two our companies did not have to deal with an over aggressive, restricting government.

Germany is a socialist society. Do you want to be Germany?

Clinton tax hikes was NOT coupled with the outrageous expense of Obamacare. Obamacare alone is already costing JOBS! And they did not come at a time when the economy was already on the brink of collapse.

You need to take a step towards reality!

“"South of Southern”

Since: Jun 10

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#18 Dec 1, 2012
hmmm wrote:
Raw got the raw ass over being on the losing team. Stupid, the rich buy the same groceries, gas,etc that the middle class do. Obamacare is good Raw. You just don't understand it.
Do you have a job? If you do check your pay stub and see how much you are being cut for insurance. Now when the companies cost for insurance goes up its always taken out of your wages.

When the companies are forced to pay for Obamacare AND higher taxes you and I will pay for it Bub!

Heck we already see prices rising simply becuase these companies know its coming.

Herman Cain had the right idea. A flat tax on everything. That way you have surety and the guess work is taken out of the equation. And then the companies and the consumers can save grow and spend with confidence and assurance. Because they know that there will be no hidden expense or surprising cost implemented down the road. It gives the government the revenue they need to function and dictates the boundaries of their expenditures. And it gives you a stable, sure, confident economy.
really

Fayetteville, NC

#19 Dec 1, 2012
The Germans are very happy with their way of life and their healthcare. You really should get to know some of the ppl. I have family living there and they DO speak with others and share opinions with me. My brother just traveled over there for a surgery that would have cost 4500. And had it done for 600. He is a U S citizen and got in within a month of inquiring about it. Jobs there pay double the salary that the same job gets in the US.

Rawtruth, you are so wrong on so many issues. You really should quit being such a hypocrit and stop saying others are stupid, when your posts prove you to be just that. I would wish you a nice n stupid day, but I see you are readily enjoying one.
really

Fayetteville, NC

#20 Dec 1, 2012
RT, the CEO of Papa John's tried that 'obamacare will cause my company to close, layoff, raise pie prices. The people stopped buying his pie. Now, he says he is okay with it and was misunderstood and NONE of that would happen. He added that his company would be opening 100's of new stores in the coming years<<< THIS is a prime example of what will happen to greedy companies that try this scare tactic.

“"South of Southern”

Since: Jun 10

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#21 Dec 1, 2012
really wrote:
The Germans are very happy with their way of life and their healthcare. You really should get to know some of the ppl. I have family living there and they DO speak with others and share opinions with me. My brother just traveled over there for a surgery that would have cost 4500. And had it done for 600. He is a U S citizen and got in within a month of inquiring about it. Jobs there pay double the salary that the same job gets in the US.
Rawtruth, you are so wrong on so many issues. You really should quit being such a hypocrit and stop saying others are stupid, when your posts prove you to be just that. I would wish you a nice n stupid day, but I see you are readily enjoying one.
Then perhaps you should move to germany.

Do you know all Germans? Are so sure that they are happy with their current situation?

Socialism? NEVER!

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