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Frankie Freddie

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Dec 6, 2012
 
Will this season be a repeat of last season, when the Black Bears looked like they dominated during the regular season only to lose the district championship and then first round of the regions?
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Dec 6, 2012
 
The team is good for the area, but below average compared to other teams around the state. On a scale of 1-to-10, Harlan is a 3, at best, if you say the states best is a 10, and the state's worst, is a 1.

In either of the Lexington or Louisville regions, Harlan County would be 'bringing up the rear."
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Dec 7, 2012
 
You will see how good they are when Montgomery County come to HCHS in feb they have a very nice team that should win their region and it could go a long way to show if this team will ever live up to their potential.
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Dec 7, 2012
 
Montgomery Co is very good. But to win that region is not that big of a deal. Clark Co. and Mason Co. are the only two schools in the region that even make a wave on the state-wide scale. The 13th Region is probably as strong as that region, maybe stronger.

But I'd be surprised if Montgomery Co. doesn't beat Harlan by close to 20 points.

I guarantee you, Montgomery Co. will be much better coached than Harlan, and Montgomery Co. will be a lot more battle tested. Their schedule is much, much stronger than Harlans, and I believe that will make a difference.
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Dec 7, 2012
 

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Frankie Freddie wrote:
Montgomery Co is very good. But to win that region is not that big of a deal. Clark Co. and Mason Co. are the only two schools in the region that even make a wave on the state-wide scale. The 13th Region is probably as strong as that region, maybe stronger.

But I'd be surprised if Montgomery Co. doesn't beat Harlan by close to 20 points.

I guarantee you, Montgomery Co. will be much better coached than Harlan, and Montgomery Co. will be a lot more battle tested. Their schedule is much, much stronger than Harlans, and I believe that will make a difference.
Defiantly better coached! If they leave their coach at home and bring the school janitor they will be better coached than HC. Their "coach" sucks ass!!!
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Dec 7, 2012
 

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You might not like Jones but his record stands for itself. He is good coach maybe not liked but a good coach.
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You might not like Jones but his record stands for itself. He is good coach maybe not liked but a good coach.
He is a good mountain ball coach. But he's not a very good coach overall, at least not in my opinion. There's a difference in a good win-loss record vs teams from this area, vs a won-loss record against team's out in the state, specifically from Lexington and Louisville.

Jones has coached many years in the 13th Region and had moderate success past the district tourney. But minus what he accomplished in the Class A with a Harlan City team made up of non-Harlan city student athletes, he's not really accomplished much over his career.

I personally like the guy. He's good with the boys and he's a pleasure to talk to. He'll be in the KHSAA Hall of Fame someday soon after he retires. But it was clear at the end of last year that he is only a so-so coach when it counts, losing the district championship and then losing in the first round of the regions. That was well below expectactions for this team.
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Dec 7, 2012
 
Guest wrote:
<quoted text>He is a good mountain ball coach. But he's not a very good coach overall, at least not in my opinion. There's a difference in a good win-loss record vs teams from this area, vs a won-loss record against team's out in the state, specifically from Lexington and Louisville.
Jones has coached many years in the 13th Region and had moderate success past the district tourney. But minus what he accomplished in the Class A with a Harlan City team made up of non-Harlan city student athletes, he's not really accomplished much over his career.
I personally like the guy. He's good with the boys and he's a pleasure to talk to. He'll be in the KHSAA Hall of Fame someday soon after he retires. But it was clear at the end of last year that he is only a so-so coach when it counts, losing the district championship and then losing in the first round of the regions. That was well below expectactions for this team.
It's hard to judge how him against Lex and Louisville cause he also has "so so" players to compete with very few D1 players can't expect miracles the talents not here folks not when you get one or two at the most truly all around talented kids at a time.
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It's hard to judge how him against Lex and Louisville cause he also has "so so" players to compete with very few D1 players can't expect miracles the talents not here folks not when you get one or two at the most truly all around talented kids at a time.
I'm mainly talking about how he has done against other mountain teams past the district tourney. Last year for example, won nearly 30 games if I remember correctly, but lost in district title game and then lost in first round of regionals, despite being what most thought was the team to beat in the region. A real coach would not have lost in those two games.

Forget how he has fared vs Les and Lou teams. Judge him on how he has done against other mountain teams in games that count.
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Guest has a pretty good point. Forget the wins and losses, and consider this.........

2012 - Lost district championship, Lost 1st Round of Regionals

2011 - Lost district championship, Lost 1st Round of Regionals

2010 - Won District, Lost 1st Round of Regionals

2009 - Lost district championship, Lost 1st Round of Regionals

He has not made it out of the first round of regionals since taking the Harlan job. Is that really the talent level he has at Harlan? No way. He's been a failure when it counted. And that's kinda been his story throughout his career. He didn't win at Cawood when he had one of the region's best teams and a player equally as good as Richie Farmer. He did have some success at Harlan city with Charles Thomas and Todd Cox. He was then an epic failure at Jackson Co., and he was run out of his alma mater Clay Co. for not winning after taking over for Bobby Keith.
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Dec 8, 2012
 
He was going to retire until he found out that they wouldn't give the coaching job to his son. I myself wouldn't have let him come back. He's a joke if you ask me. But that's just my opinion.
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He was going to retire until he found out that they wouldn't give the coaching job to his son. I myself wouldn't have let him come back. He's a joke if you ask me. But that's just my opinion.
Allowing his son to be the coach would be a mistake and would set harlan back 3 to 5 years. But it is Harlan Co. school district, and it's clear to everyone that the good-old-boys club rules there. We get a brand new high school and all we can get to coach our teams are recycled ex Harlan coaches that nobody else really wanted.
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When you say teams are talking about all sports? If you are football has won there share of District and Regional Championships. so dont jump on here and act like the coaches at Harlan Co. hasnt done there job.Just sit back and watch the boys basketball team will break thru this year.
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Dec 9, 2012
 
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When you say teams are talking about all sports? If you are football has won there share of District and Regional Championships. so dont jump on here and act like the coaches at Harlan Co. hasnt done there job.Just sit back and watch the boys basketball team will break thru this year.
they need a staff how can boys dogoodare put down all the time and cussed at durng practice.
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Dec 9, 2012
 
The basketball games I have watched,they have done good. So what the hell are you talking about? I have never been to practice,so I dont know about the cussing,but I'm guessing your son isnt getting any playing time. Thats why you are bitchin
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The basketball games I have watched,they have done good. So what the hell are you talking about? I have never been to practice,so I dont know about the cussing,but I'm guessing your son isnt getting any playing time. Thats why you are bitchin
I believe he may have been talking about the football team when he talked about cussing. I could be wrong.

But as for me, I don't even have a son that goes to school there, so my interest has nothing to do with playing time and my child.

My only point in this entire conversation is the fact that Harlan has been a major post-season failure since the school opened with Mike Jones as the coach. We are barely making a mark in the district, and we are not regional contenders. Instead, we are regional watchers. And I believe we have too much talent to be sitting at home every year watching the regional tournament.
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Dec 11, 2012
 
Epic failure at Jackson County?
They had winning records and made it to the regional tournament all three years at Jackson County and that was when Clay won the region every year.
Check and see how many times Jackson County did that before or after Jones.

He took Todd Central to the regional semifinals. Check and see how many times that has happened in the past 20 years.

He won three regional titles at Harlan. The last Harlan County coach to win three regional championship was Joe Gilley in the 1940s.

Other than Cumberland in 2005, a Harlan County team hadn't been to the regional finals since Jones coached at Harlan. He didn't inherit very much talent at HCHS until the current group started as freshmen.
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Epic failure at Jackson County?
They had winning records and made it to the regional tournament all three years at Jackson County and that was when Clay won the region every year.
Check and see how many times Jackson County did that before or after Jones.
He took Todd Central to the regional semifinals. Check and see how many times that has happened in the past 20 years.
He won three regional titles at Harlan. The last Harlan County coach to win three regional championship was Joe Gilley in the 1940s.
Other than Cumberland in 2005, a Harlan County team hadn't been to the regional finals since Jones coached at Harlan. He didn't inherit very much talent at HCHS until the current group started as freshmen.
So you're saying he hasn't had the talent at HCHS to win the district or region? So it's the players, not the coach. I can maybe agree with that.

And I don't count anything he did with Harlan City as an accomplishment for him. I'd like to see what those years would have been like had he not gotten every player from the rest of the schools in the county that was worth having. Todd Cox mom and dad taught at Cawood. His sister was a player at Cawood. But Todd was at Harlan, and said he went there for the 'better education'. But those of us who know, know that Jerry Blanton was behind that. And then Jerry's son, who lived in the county, went to the city school. Casey Lester lived in Loyall and went to city school. Charles Thomas lived in Cumberland, but went to Harlan City. There were many others, I'm just too tired to think about it right now. But it's clear that he would not have won had he not gotten all those players. And nobody is going to convince me that it was done legit, because I know the inside on that stuff, and Jerry Blanton was behind most of it.
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I love it when the haters start on the Dragon teams of the 90s, most of the kids that played were from outside the city district. If you did some real research you would find that several players that have made Belfry the state football power that they have become, have lived in WV which of course is only 3 miles from the school, we don't hear much about that around here. Bell Co has had several really good players that could have gone to then Cawood High, and now HCHS, but didn't because their parents felt like the best situation for them was to go elsewhere. Point being it happens all over the state and nation that parents choose to send their children to a better situation for that child. Why it's such a hot topic around here is so typical of why our little corner of the world is still stuck in 2nd gear and the rest of the free world passes us by, because things that would not get a second thought anywhere else, ends up consuming a great number of our folks.
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Dec 29, 2012
 
GTFO wrote:
The basketball games I have watched,they have done good. So what the hell are you talking about? I have never been to practice,so I dont know about the cussing,but I'm guessing your son isnt getting any playing time. Thats why you are bitchin
sorry but my kid is in grade school.. and they have close practices thats why your sorry ass don't kknow anything.

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