Natural gas/the fuel of choice for new power plants

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“Survive and Thrive! ”

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#1 Jun 4, 2012
Natural gas is hot enough to run power plants for those built in the 1990s.

I realize facts do sometimes get in the way of myths.

http://www.naturalgas.org/overview/uses_eletr...
Paul

London, KY

#2 Jun 4, 2012
Jimmy Rants wrote:
Natural gas is hot enough to run power plants for those built in the 1990s.
I realize facts do sometimes get in the way of myths.
http://www.naturalgas.org/overview/uses_eletr...
Now we wait for rawtruth to say you're wrong because his cousin's brother-in-law's nephew knows a guy who works for a major coal company, and that guy asked his boss who is a "wig" at the company and he says things are going great.
miner man

Harlan, KY

#3 Jun 6, 2012
Things are going great Paul.Natural gas not hot enough.We lost a train,but got it back 6 months later,because the cost was almost triple.Too bad for you,but keep bashing.
Paul

Somerset, KY

#4 Jun 7, 2012
miner man wrote:
Things are going great Paul.Natural gas not hot enough.We lost a train,but got it back 6 months later,because the cost was almost triple.Too bad for you,but keep bashing.
I'm sure major coal companies are already looking at how to replace you with a robot. Anything to help their bottom line, and it helps that no brain is required to do your job.

“"South of Southern”

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#5 Jun 7, 2012
Jimmy Rants wrote:
Natural gas is hot enough to run power plants for those built in the 1990s.
I realize facts do sometimes get in the way of myths.
http://www.naturalgas.org/overview/uses_eletr...
I'll use your OWN info here to show you guys that you dont seem to THINK things through.

Sure natural gas CAN produce electricity. But (And this is a BIG BUT) it takes MUCH more natural gas to equal the btu's one ton of coal produces. So as I have said over and over. it CAN BE DONE! Natural gas can be used to produce electricity! But NOT at the same cost or efficiently as coal can! Am I right or not?

Here are few things I noticed right off in YOUR OWN little information sight. It said (not me but YOUR web site) that COAL IS the Cheapest and most abundant mineral on the earth. Did it not? it also said that due to environmental changes (Simply put due to the EPA restrictions on coal. Not because of efficiency or availability BUT GOVERNMENT restrictions) natrual gas has become the fuel of choice in new power plants.

Here is another little FACT in YOUR lovely info page.
Centralized GAS turbines are LESS EFFICIENT than STEAM powered electric plants.

And if you pay good close attention to your little wonderful web page. You Would see that to feasibly produce electricity ENTIRELY from natural gas. Many more localized and industrial power plants will have to be built. And who will foot the bill? You and I, us, me and you that's who. Jobs and wages are going down and thanks to naturals gas electricity rates are going to skyrocket. Never once have I said that electricity cannot be produced any other way. what I said and constantly affirm is that at this present time NOTHING can produce electricity as easily and cheaply as coal can. And according to YOU OWN STATS you just posted it supports MY arguments. CORRECT?

So I Guess ole raw was righth after all in spite of you and Paul's little charts and graphs!

“"South of Southern”

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#6 Jun 7, 2012
Paul wrote:
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Now we wait for rawtruth to say you're wrong because his cousin's brother-in-law's nephew knows a guy who works for a major coal company, and that guy asked his boss who is a "wig" at the company and he says things are going great.
Paul yooo whoooo Paul where ya at?

Ahem... I just talked to a guy that has been offered a job in the MINE! HA HA HA!

And I know for a fact that some of the companies that had laid off and that had cut back on the miners hours are now calling them back to work and returning to their regular working hours. Whats ya little chart or polls have to say about that? HA HA HA!

“"South of Southern”

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#7 Jun 7, 2012
liquids (CTL)

Converting coal to a liquid fuel - coal liquefaction - allows coal to be utilised as an alternative to oil. CTL is particularly suited to countries that rely heavily on oil imports and have large domestic reserves of coal. South Africa has been producing coal-derived fuels since 1955 and has the only commercial coal to liquids industry in operation today. Not only are CTL fuels used in cars and other vehicles, but South Africa energy company Sasol's CTL fuels also have approval to be used in commercial jets. Currently around 30% of the country's gasoline and diesel needs are produced from indigenous coal. The total capacity of the South African CTL operations stands in excess of 160,000bbl/d.

“"South of Southern”

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#8 Jun 7, 2012
The share of our electricity generated from coal is expected to decrease by 2035. However, our growing demand for electricity is expected to lead to an increase in the actual amount of coal used, in the absence of new policies to limit or reduce emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases. Such new policies could significantly change the outlook for coal use.

Coal Is a Relatively Inexpensive Fuel
Although some natural gas plants are more efficient than coal plants at generating electricity, the fuel cost of generating one kilowatthour of electricity from natural gas generally is higher than that of coal. In addition, coal prices have historically been much less volatile than those of natural gas due, in large part, to the existence of long-term coal supply contracts.

Just showing you idiots that I too can play the cut and paste game. This info was taken from the "eia" web site. you know the U.S energy information administration. Notice they say that coal consumption is actually expected to RISE by 2035? HA!

Now see how ridiculous cutting and pasting is? Cant you guys think for yourselves? I can find an equal number of web sites that promise a bright future for coal. Just as many as you idiots find that promises a quick demise. So which one is accurate?

“Survive and Thrive! ”

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#9 Jun 7, 2012
rawtruth wrote:
The share of our electricity generated from coal is expected to decrease by 2035. However, our growing demand for electricity is expected to lead to an increase in the actual amount of coal used, in the absence of new policies to limit or reduce emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases. Such new policies could significantly change the outlook for coal use.
Coal Is a Relatively Inexpensive Fuel
Although some natural gas plants are more efficient than coal plants at generating electricity, the fuel cost of generating one kilowatthour of electricity from natural gas generally is higher than that of coal. In addition, coal prices have historically been much less volatile than those of natural gas due, in large part, to the existence of long-term coal supply contracts.
Just showing you idiots that I too can play the cut and paste game. This info was taken from the "eia" web site. you know the U.S energy information administration. Notice they say that coal consumption is actually expected to RISE by 2035? HA!
Now see how ridiculous cutting and pasting is? Cant you guys think for yourselves? I can find an equal number of web sites that promise a bright future for coal. Just as many as you idiots find that promises a quick demise. So which one is accurate?
Cutting and pasting the facts are intelligent. You do it as well..lmao.

Denying the truth/inevitable is dumb.

Don't worry, Obama hasn't shut down your mines. In fact, he hasn't shut down any mines. That's pure fabricated right wing nonsense.

“"South of Southern”

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#10 Jun 8, 2012
Jimmy Rants wrote:
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Cutting and pasting the facts are intelligent. You do it as well..lmao.
Denying the truth/inevitable is dumb.
Don't worry, Obama hasn't shut down your mines. In fact, he hasn't shut down any mines. That's pure fabricated right wing nonsense.
Actually Jim the ONLY time I have EVER cut and pasted anything was in the thread Got Smarts? I dont need polls, graphs, charts to do my thinking for me,

“Survive and Thrive! ”

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#11 Jun 8, 2012
rawtruth wrote:
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Actually Jim the ONLY time I have EVER cut and pasted anything was in the thread Got Smarts? I dont need polls, graphs, charts to do my thinking for me,
So, you just make it up as you go based off what?

“"South of Southern”

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#12 Jun 8, 2012
Jimmy Rants wrote:
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So, you just make it up as you go based off what?
Experiences, life, communications with the common folk......

example.

When Obama wants to raise the debt ceiling (And spend money we DON'T HAVE) I know that trying to spend your way out of debt is STUPID! It's like having two credit cards and borrowing form one to pay the debt on the other, and then borrowing off of the other one to pay off the one you just borrowed on. Well sooner or later your going to reach your credit limit on both cards and someone is going to have to pay the piper.


When I attend a pubic meeting and the electric company informs those in attendance that their electric bills are expected to rise by 30% due to government regulations. I KNOW that this green crap is more expensive. Don't need a poll or graph for that Bub!

I KNOW that it is more complicated and expensive to produce electricity from natural gas than it is coal. How do I know? Coal is the most abundant mineral on earth. So its bound to be CHEAP right? And it dont take near the coal to get the heat you need to turn a turbine. Natural gas can do it but it takes a heck of a lot more and is more expensive. Simple deduction huh? No graph needed!

When I see business' shutting down all over the nation I know, uh oh Obamanomics aint working.

When the federal starts forcing companies to spend spend spend until their flat busted I know that too many regulations are a BAD thing.

When I talk to people all over this nation and all I hear is how they CANNOT find work the I know something is bad amiss.

When we vote in a president that keeps NOT ONE of his promises and even does things he SWORE he would not do. Then I know that man is NOT presidential material.

When one federal government agency releases a company to go to work and then a few months later a completely different federal government agency REVOKES the permits of the OTHER federal government agency I know we have too many regulations.

Pretty simple education system I got going here huh?

“Survive and Thrive! ”

Since: Sep 09

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#13 Jun 8, 2012
rawtruth wrote:
<quoted text>
Experiences, life, communications with the common folk......
example.
When Obama wants to raise the debt ceiling (And spend money we DON'T HAVE) I know that trying to spend your way out of debt is STUPID! It's like having two credit cards and borrowing form one to pay the debt on the other, and then borrowing off of the other one to pay off the one you just borrowed on. Well sooner or later your going to reach your credit limit on both cards and someone is going to have to pay the piper.
When I attend a pubic meeting and the electric company informs those in attendance that their electric bills are expected to rise by 30% due to government regulations. I KNOW that this green crap is more expensive. Don't need a poll or graph for that Bub!
I KNOW that it is more complicated and expensive to produce electricity from natural gas than it is coal. How do I know? Coal is the most abundant mineral on earth. So its bound to be CHEAP right? And it dont take near the coal to get the heat you need to turn a turbine. Natural gas can do it but it takes a heck of a lot more and is more expensive. Simple deduction huh? No graph needed!
When I see business' shutting down all over the nation I know, uh oh Obamanomics aint working.
When the federal starts forcing companies to spend spend spend until their flat busted I know that too many regulations are a BAD thing.
When I talk to people all over this nation and all I hear is how they CANNOT find work the I know something is bad amiss.
When we vote in a president that keeps NOT ONE of his promises and even does things he SWORE he would not do. Then I know that man is NOT presidential material.
When one federal government agency releases a company to go to work and then a few months later a completely different federal government agency REVOKES the permits of the OTHER federal government agency I know we have too many regulations.
Pretty simple education system I got going here huh?
Then why was it okay for Ronald Reagan to raise the debt ceiling 13 times, and George W. Bush 7 times?....But Obama can't??

This green crap as you called it is putting people to work. Employing more people than in the coal mining industry.

Maybe we should remove all regulations from the F.C.C./U.S.D.A./ to all laws, and let's go back to the wild, wild, west days. That's fine by me.

I guess they figure, wait a minute, this industry is killing our rivers and mucking up the air we breath...soooo, maybe we need to check it out....Yeah, that's a terrible thing to do, so coal mine owners can get richer, as Americans die at the cause of the mine owners greed. That makes a helluva lot of sense.

“Survive and Thrive! ”

Since: Sep 09

Location hidden

#14 Jun 8, 2012
rawtruth wrote:
<quoted text>
Experiences, life, communications with the common folk......
example.
When Obama wants to raise the debt ceiling (And spend money we DON'T HAVE) I know that trying to spend your way out of debt is STUPID! It's like having two credit cards and borrowing form one to pay the debt on the other, and then borrowing off of the other one to pay off the one you just borrowed on. Well sooner or later your going to reach your credit limit on both cards and someone is going to have to pay the piper.
When I attend a pubic meeting and the electric company informs those in attendance that their electric bills are expected to rise by 30% due to government regulations. I KNOW that this green crap is more expensive. Don't need a poll or graph for that Bub!
I KNOW that it is more complicated and expensive to produce electricity from natural gas than it is coal. How do I know? Coal is the most abundant mineral on earth. So its bound to be CHEAP right? And it dont take near the coal to get the heat you need to turn a turbine. Natural gas can do it but it takes a heck of a lot more and is more expensive. Simple deduction huh? No graph needed!
When I see business' shutting down all over the nation I know, uh oh Obamanomics aint working.
When the federal starts forcing companies to spend spend spend until their flat busted I know that too many regulations are a BAD thing.
When I talk to people all over this nation and all I hear is how they CANNOT find work the I know something is bad amiss.
When we vote in a president that keeps NOT ONE of his promises and even does things he SWORE he would not do. Then I know that man is NOT presidential material.
When one federal government agency releases a company to go to work and then a few months later a completely different federal government agency REVOKES the permits of the OTHER federal government agency I know we have too many regulations.
Pretty simple education system I got going here huh?
One more thing...Natural gas is so over supplied now that it is driving down the price of coal. Natural gas is killing the coal industry now.

I'm not saying this to be down on the miners, these are just the facts. I'm not against the miner at all. I do hate the mess it creates.

I shouldn't say this but I will. My wife and I have natural gas royalities. We get checks every month from two major companies. At one time, these monthly checks were on average $8,000 a month. Today,$1500 a month if we are lucky.

Why?

Too much supply and not enough demand.
paul is a lowlife

Hyden, KY

#15 Jun 9, 2012
I cant belive how tree hugers get enjoyment over people loosing there jobs, loosing homes Not being able to feed there family, truly sad how cold hearted some people are, coal miners work very hard Harder than any tree huger. So go on and be happy that men wont be able to take care of there family.. Cause to me you are the lowest form of life If anyone gets happy over people loosing there job is a sorry sob that is going to hell.. and if you truly dont care about kids then hell is where you need to be.. You sorry s.o.b I hope for your sake you do not have children, cause things do come back on you Id never wish for a child not to have a home food ect And if I did Id go ahead and shoot myself for being such person..

“"South of Southern”

Since: Jun 10

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#16 Jun 9, 2012
paul is a lowlife wrote:
I cant belive how tree hugers get enjoyment over people loosing there jobs, loosing homes Not being able to feed there family, truly sad how cold hearted some people are, coal miners work very hard Harder than any tree huger. So go on and be happy that men wont be able to take care of there family.. Cause to me you are the lowest form of life If anyone gets happy over people loosing there job is a sorry sob that is going to hell.. and if you truly dont care about kids then hell is where you need to be.. You sorry s.o.b I hope for your sake you do not have children, cause things do come back on you Id never wish for a child not to have a home food ect And if I did Id go ahead and shoot myself for being such person..
Thats all it is. They actually they just want to see the coal miners go down and nothing more. Coal was booming so well (Up until last year) that they cant stand the thought of those that they perceive to be uneducated making twice the money they do. And that's the only reason they get on here and bash coal. I for one would love to see the entire nation prospering.

“Survive and Thrive! ”

Since: Sep 09

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#17 Jun 9, 2012
rawtruth wrote:
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Thats all it is. They actually they just want to see the coal miners go down and nothing more. Coal was booming so well (Up until last year) that they cant stand the thought of those that they perceive to be uneducated making twice the money they do. And that's the only reason they get on here and bash coal. I for one would love to see the entire nation prospering.
I do not want to see anyone go down.

Our country needs to be more productive and prosper.

If we don't, we will have to stand down to China within 5 years or so.

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