Pat Robertson on Ft. Hood: Islam is 'not a religion' and...

[Conservatarian]

The Christians were on the right side of the Crusades. They were pushing the muslims out of their territory. The muslims were waging jihad even back then. Too bad the history books have been rewritten. "Jew buddies"? Why does everybody who support Islam have to be anti-semites? The Palestinian deserve to have their asses kicked. They always start it. They are just muslim scum. Look at the islamis countries and compare them to Israel. If you do, you will notice Israel is the only free nation in that region of the world. Ever wonder why? It's because freedom is incompatible with the vermin known as muslims.

Reality wrote:

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No but HIS Jew buddies cried ot aaaaaargh before killing large numbers of Palestinian innocents.
and about the phrase that is used as top choice today....'Kill them all'.....
It was actually Catholic crusaders against the Cathars in the southern France region during the Albigensian Crusade in 1209. Not against Protestants but against what the Catholic church considered heretics some 300+ years before there were any Protestants to be found.
I knew the actual quote - "Tuez-les tous; Dieu reconnaitra les siens."
and its source - Arnaud-Amaury, Abbot of Citeaux

[Arnold]

Arnold wrote:

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Why even bother asking when you answer the question yourself?

Because you're lack of an answer was your answer, and it spoke volumes. Lack of an answer or an attempt at evasion means you have no direct rebuttal to what I said. Otherwise, you surely would refute it. So again, your evasions speak volumes.

[Reality]

Conservatarian wrote:

The Christians were on the right side of the Crusades. They were pushing the muslims out of their territory. The muslims were waging jihad even back then. Too bad the history books have been rewritten. "Jew buddies"? Why does everybody who support Islam have to be anti-semites? The Palestinian deserve to have their asses kicked. They always start it. They are just muslim scum. Look at the islamis countries and compare them to Israel. If you do, you will notice Israel is the only free nation in that region of the world. Ever wonder why? It's because freedom is incompatible with the vermin known as muslims.
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Well let's look at the other side of the coin,...

http://www.elmandjra.org/photos_holocaust.htm

http://judicial-inc.biz/99noti13.jpg

http://thewe.cc/weplanet/news/middle_east/atr...

http://thewe.cc/weplanet/news/middle_east/atr...

http://www.countercurrents.org/kessel190309.h...

And there is much much more if you'd like.....

[Reality]

Arnold wrote:

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Because you're lack of an answer was your answer, and it spoke volumes. Lack of an answer or an attempt at evasion means you have no direct rebuttal to what I said. Otherwise, you surely would refute it. So again, your evasions speak volumes.

Arnold talking to Arnold, now if that's not conclusive to asylum material then I don't know what is.... lol

When no one responds to your threads you have found a way to achieve a reponse...talk to yourself ....lol lol hahaha lmao...

You go girl

[TexasProud]

Arnold wrote:

Actually, while Robertson certainly can be crazy sometimes, he's not that crazy here. In fact, he's telling the truth.
On his 700 Club TV show yesterday, Pat Robertson claimed that Islam is “not a religion,” but “a violent political system bent on the overthrow of the governments of the world and world domination”:
ROBERTSON: That is the ultimate aim. And they talk about infidels and all this, but the truth is that’s what the game is. So you are dealing with not a religion. You’re dealing with a political system.
He's right. Islam is every bit as much political as it is religious, and I'd say even more so. Ask a Muslim whether Islam should and ultimately will rule the world, and they will first tell you that Islam does not demand that everybody be Muslims. That's the first tap dance around or diversion from the real question.
Then, you acknowledge that Islam does not demand that everybody be a Muslim and remind them that the question asked about Islam ruling over everyone, not everyone being a Muslim. And this is where they finally have to explain. They explain that Islam is a "complete way of life" and therefore is indeed strongly political, and not just religious or spiritual. Contrast this with "give to Caesar what is his and give to God what is his", where clearly matters of the soul were separated from matters of power, politics...etc
Islam is indeed a political movement. It's ultimate goal of domination is indeed hard coded into the very fabric of the religion and Islam should indeed be treated as a political system because this is precisely the way it behaves.

I would have to agree. I've often wonder why the Shia and the Sunni want to wipe each other out if they follow the muslim teaching.

[TexasProud]

Reality wrote:

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Arnold talking to Arnold, now if that's not conclusive to asylum material then I don't know what is.... lol
When no one responds to your threads you have found a way to achieve a reponse...talk to yourself ....lol lol hahaha lmao...
You go girl

Eistein, Alexander Graham Bell, Otis Boykin were just a few that talked to themselves. Just saying...LOL

[Wheres the peace]

20- Ban on women washing clothes next to rivers or in a public place.
21- Modification of all place names including the word "women." For example, "women's garden" has been renamed "spring garden".
22- Ban on women appearing on the balconies of their apartments or houses.
23- Compulsory painting of all windows, so women can not be seen from outside their homes.
24- Ban on male tailors taking women's measurements or sewing women's clothes.
25- Ban on female public baths.
26- Ban on males and females traveling on the same bus. Public buses have now been designated "males only" (or "females only").
27- Ban on flared (wide) pant-legs, even under a burqa.
28- Ban on the photographing or filming of women.
29- Ban on women's pictures printed in newspapers and books, or hung on the walls of houses and shops.

[Martha]

Islam is just as much a religion as Baptists.
The only difference is that the Baptists go to war and kill people with Jesus blessing, the Muslims go with Allah's blessing.

[TexasProud]

Wheres the peace wrote:

20- Ban on women washing clothes next to rivers or in a public place.
21- Modification of all place names including the word "women." For example, "women's garden" has been renamed "spring garden".
22- Ban on women appearing on the balconies of their apartments or houses.
23- Compulsory painting of all windows, so women can not be seen from outside their homes.
24- Ban on male tailors taking women's measurements or sewing women's clothes.
25- Ban on female public baths.
26- Ban on males and females traveling on the same bus. Public buses have now been designated "males only" (or "females only").
27- Ban on flared (wide) pant-legs, even under a burqa.
28- Ban on the photographing or filming of women.
29- Ban on women's pictures printed in newspapers and books, or hung on the walls of houses and shops.

Dont mean to offend anyone but I'm feeling a bit playful with this one.
21& 26-They are now called "Spring" only bus. No bearded allowed.
22-Only the bearded can grill or drink beer on the balcony.
23-Windex stocks plummet, Behr paint stocks go through the roof.
24-Association of Taylors in San Fransisco claim discrimination.
25-Can't argue with that one.
26-Mentioned with 21.
27-They didn't ban thongs so who cares. <giggle>
28-Again, who cares. Seen one burqa seen em all.
29-What no pictures of mom hanging on the wall? Mom would be pissed

[Reality]

TexasProud wrote:

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Eistein, Alexander Graham Bell, Otis Boykin were just a few that talked to themselves. Just saying...LOL

Heresay or doc. proof?

And did they do it on a letterhead since they didn't have computers, then?

[Reality]

Martha wrote:

Islam is just as much a religion as Baptists.
The only difference is that the Baptists go to war and kill people with Jesus blessing, the Muslims go with Allah's blessing.

Agree 101%

[Reality]

Wheres the peace wrote:

20- Ban on women washing clothes next to rivers or in a public place.
21- Modification of all place names including the word "women." For example, "women's garden" has been renamed "spring garden".
22- Ban on women appearing on the balconies of their apartments or houses.
23- Compulsory painting of all windows, so women can not be seen from outside their homes.
24- Ban on male tailors taking women's measurements or sewing women's clothes.
25- Ban on female public baths.
26- Ban on males and females traveling on the same bus. Public buses have now been designated "males only" (or "females only").
27- Ban on flared (wide) pant-legs, even under a burqa.
28- Ban on the photographing or filming of women.
29- Ban on women's pictures printed in newspapers and books, or hung on the walls of houses and shops.

You seem to forget the rule that men had over women in the USA before Womans suffrage days.

[WDRussell]

Pat Robertson should be on trial with his business partner Charles Taylor.

[Donna]

Passers by wrote:

Every religion develops some sort of political system.

Religion is a belief in a fantastic entity. It has nothing to do with a political system.
Buddhism, Jainism, Gnosticism have no political system. They seek a union with the unknown.
Politics deals with the known.

[Reality]

WDRussell wrote:

Pat Robertson should be on trial with his business partner Charles Taylor.

I agree

[hawala]

Omni wrote:

I don't know who is worse; Pat Robertson or Muslims

.......... fundamentalists are rigid haters who hijack secular religions .......... OSAMA BEN GURION and Sid Korshak were zionists who established Izrael as a haven for the kosher nostra and criminals who fled extradition on those rare occasions when they could not buy a judge .......... RALPH WALDO EMERSON advocated civil discourse .......... AIPAC and the zionist fifth column seek to block any discussion of the price of the zionist parasites .

[YWN]

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Arnold wrote:

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how is this supposed to tell me that Islam is not a political religion. This is a bunch of bullshit. Ask and Muslim if Islam is a political religion and see what you get.

Yo, Arnold,

You just showed why Protestants and their off-shoots lost it -

For you have no clue left of what made them victorious against the Romanized Church, in the first place -

~ Whadda travesty!

Here, then - educate yerself sum more ma *Main* man ~

The Covenant Connection:

From Federal Theology to Modern Federalism

By Daniel Judah Elazar, John Kincaid

http://books.google.com/books...

Awrite now?-

Got that "federal theology" thing there yet?-

Cool - here is more coming your way from Norman O. Brown, again - read slowly n carefully -

See next post - not enough space on this one -

[YWN]

Second part for ma *Main* man Arnold -

In Islam is fulfilled the prophecy of Matthew 21:42-43:

"The stone which the builders rejected, the same was made the head of the corner; this was from the Lord, and it is marvelous in our eyes. Therefore say I unto you, the kingdom of God shall be taken away from you, and shall be given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof."

At this point a necessary and wonderful guide appears, to purify and elevate our understanding of the relation between Islam and Christianity, and to break through the wall of orthodox prejudice that has blocked our understanding of the middle term [the so-called]Gnostic Judaeo-Christian heresy, the stone which the builders rejected.

Henri Corbin picks up Harnack's proposed definition of Islam as "a transformation on Arab soil of a Jewish religion that had itself been transformed by Gnostic Judaeo-Christianity." (7)

A special role was played by that "heresy" which struggled to avoid the catastrophic rupture between Christianity and Judaism, "Jewish Christianity" or "Ebionism."

The authoritative expert on Jewish Christianity, H.J. Schoeps, substantiates Harnack's judgment and draws out the world-historical implications: The Arabian Christianity which Mohammed found at the beginning of his public activity was not the state religion of Byzantium but a schismatic Christianity characterized by Ebionite and Monophysite views....

Thus we have a paradox of world-historical proportions, viz., the fact that Jewish Christianity indeed disappeared within the Christian church, but was preserved in Islam and thereby extended some of its basic ideas even to our own day.

According to Islamic doctrine, the Ebionite combination of Moses and Jesus found its fulfillment in Mohammed; the two elements, through the agency of Jewish Christianity, were, in Hegelian terms, "taken up" in Islam.(8)

Islam is to be envisaged as dialectical evolution, or evolutionary mutation, in the prophetic tradition, in response to the limitations built into the structure of orthodox Christianity by its historic compromise with Roman imperialism; by its commitment to scriptural canon, creedal orthodoxy, and episcopal hierarchy; and by its consequent scandalous history of schism and persecution (duly noted in the Koran).

To begin to envisage the prophetic tradition in truly world-historical terms ... the following hazardous generalizations are offered as preliminary orientation.

Islam picks up and extends the notion, already present in Jewish (Ebionite) Christianity, of the unity of the prophetic spirit:

Christus aeternus, verus propheta ab initio mundi per saeculum currens; the one true prophet, from age to age, from the beginning of the world; Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Christ, Muhammad.

The later prophet comes to reiterate the Eternal and Everlasting Gospel—the "seim anew," Lex mosaica per Jesum prophetam reformata, the mosaic law reformed by Jesus the prophet. The tradition gets de-formed and has to be re-formed.

Thus "true Christianity" is identical with "true Judaism"; H.J. Schoeps speaks of Ebionite "federal theology," according to which just as Moses was the teacher of the Jews, so Jesus was the teacher of the Gentiles.

And continue reading here:

Apocalypse and/or Metamorphosis By Norman O. Brown

Ch. 5: The Prophetic Tradition -

Page 49 and up -

http://books.google.com/books...

~* hehehehehehe *~

[TexasProud]

Reality wrote:

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Heresay or doc. proof?
And did they do it on a letterhead since they didn't have computers, then?

Proof..Einstein told me.

[Revrend Jim]

Well..........I may not know what's right and,
I may not know what's wrong..........
But I don't even know what's going on!

Couldn't resist a quote from "Taxi." But chew on this. If someone or group of someones' tries to kill me and they don't get the job done.......I don't get over it.