River bend RV park
Renee

Little Rock, AR

#21 Mar 20, 2008
I'll tell you what. I think it would be only fair if I knew something more than "happy bird" and "plow boy" before engaging in this discussion.

It almost sounds like the attitude there is "HA, let's see what he does about this one", rather than considering the damage that has been done and the properties that have been lost for the second time in 18 months.

This is a disaster people and is not a reason to "test" anyones capabilities.

I don't know your true identities but frankly YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES. Time for healing and recovery, not divide and conquer.
UpTheRiverNoPadd le

Newport, KY

#22 Mar 20, 2008
Your pockets must be deeper than mine, Renee. There is a limit to the $ we can keep pouring into a dark hole. CJ may be a good man with good intentions but there will be a limit to his resources as well.
Barb Self

United States

#23 Mar 20, 2008
plow boy wrote:
Unless we have a new manager, with a pocket full of money and rescoures, our ships are sunk for the 3rd time. you say that we are going to clean up? do we have electric, water, and bath house facilities? I paid my assesments for all that. we will see. why do you ,do all the talking for that mangaer, it might catch up with you. i wouldn't make any promises on his behalf.
What does a new manager have to do with it? I don't think you will find a manager with any more experience at disaster recovery than the current manager.
Renee

Little Rock, AR

#24 Mar 20, 2008
Thank you Barb. You also won't find a crew with more devotion to that park than what we have in our security and maintenance personnel.

By the way, it's not a matter of deep pocket, it's a matter of what is right.
UpTheRiverNoPadd le

Newport, KY

#25 Mar 20, 2008
Renee, It will be difficult for the manager to do what's right if the property owners don't pay their assessments. Some didn't pay last year & who knows how many won't pay this year. It's a vicious circle. They won't pay cause the improvements aren't done and the improvements can't get done because they won't pay. I have no doubts that he will do all he can but it will take lots of $. And I'm not saying "Don't pay assessments", I'm just saying I can't keep putting more and more of my $ into my property every year. It could reach a point when I have to say "I can't afford to have property on the Spring River & replace everything I have every couple of years".
Renee

Little Rock, AR

#26 Mar 20, 2008
I understand what you are saying.

This manager has only been there since Sept of 05. He had a partial year there, dealt with a flood in 06 as well as the ADEQ problems that he inherited, not caused, inherited. He got all that taken care of and opened the park this year on time. Like you said only part of the people have paid so I would call what he has done an accomplishment above and beyond the call of duty. If we had a big developer running the park it would be closed until everyone pays because their purpose is profits and nothing else. Anyone could do this with a pocket full of money. Respect is earned when the mental resources are present to accomplish it in spite of the obstacles.

By your own words, people aren't paying. Yet the park is open. To say they aren't paying because improvements aren't being made is not exactly accurately. The POA board has created so much confusion that it has gotten to a level of failure to perform their duties. They were not elected legally, passed bylaws in DIRECT violation with the state statutes and in doing so have shown absolutely no responsibility to the people they are supposed to be representing.

I have no idea what your true identity is so this will be said without malice but if I were in the position of concern of putting more money into my lot at the park, Frankly, I think I would sell my lot. If the property values are at an all time low, you can blame the POA for the people problems and higher sources for the flood, but I don't see where the manager is at fault.
UpTheRiverNoPadd le

Newport, KY

#27 Mar 20, 2008
You said "Respect is earned when the mental resources are present to accomplish it in spite of the obstacles."

I agree. All I'm saying is don't blame him if it takes more money than he has. This will be a monumental task and there are some things that mental resources alone can't accomplish, you simply have to have a lot of $. I don't intend any disrespect of the manager, he'll do all he can, it just may be impossible with what he has to work with. This early in the game, we don't know how bad the infrastructure of the park is but it could be really,really bad. Since the river crested at least 4 feet above the 2006 flood, the damage could be expected to be worse than it was then.

If positive thinking could get this done, I'd join you but I'm afraid it will take much more.
Renee

Little Rock, AR

#28 Mar 20, 2008
I will respect that and be prepared in case it doesn't happen but I have a positive attitude about "our park" and if we all work together, we can do this.

We will be there this weekend to help with cleanup and restoration. Hope to see several there and meet new people with the same goals in mind.
Renee

Little Rock, AR

#29 Mar 20, 2008
Word has it that the power company is in the park right now setting up power poles that were downed. There are people waiting to get into the park to check out and salvage what they can but will not be allowed in until this is done.

I'll post as I know more.
The mud dog

Davison, MI

#30 Mar 20, 2008
If I lived in Southfield,I would have to be rich,just to pay the taxes,come on up here to flint and see the pooooooooor folks..
For those that do not know Southfiend is the elite part of Michigan,haha
Just kidding neighbor...Are you in Block 6,Iam 53 and 54,everything is gone from my property,except a ladder and my jon boat.
I had a log chain and a lock,and hooked to a big tree.
32 foot camper,topper on top,like magic,gone.
My e-mail address is hardy_ar_don@yahoo.com
Let me hear from you..Nice to jab you as well...
Don
Renee wrote:
I understand what you are saying.
This manager has only been there since Sept of 05. He had a partial year there, dealt with a flood in 06 as well as the ADEQ problems that he inherited, not caused, inherited. He got all that taken care of and opened the park this year on time. Like you said only part of the people have paid so I would call what he has done an accomplishment above and beyond the call of duty. If we had a big developer running the park it would be closed until everyone pays because their purpose is profits and nothing else. Anyone could do this with a pocket full of money. Respect is earned when the mental resources are present to accomplish it in spite of the obstacles.
By your own words, people aren't paying. Yet the park is open. To say they aren't paying because improvements aren't being made is not exactly accurately. The POA board has created so much confusion that it has gotten to a level of failure to perform their duties. They were not elected legally, passed bylaws in DIRECT violation with the state statutes and in doing so have shown absolutely no responsibility to the people they are supposed to be representing.
I have no idea what your true identity is so this will be said without malice but if I were in the position of concern of putting more money into my lot at the park, Frankly, I think I would sell my lot. If the property values are at an all time low, you can blame the POA for the people problems and higher sources for the flood, but I don't see where the manager is at fault.
Same Old Same Old

Little Rock, AR

#31 Mar 20, 2008
The manager keeps demanding assessments, but won't show where he is spending that money. The place is not fully functional. It hasn't been fully functional since before both floods. There are foreclosures filed. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out!
Happy Feet

Russellville, AR

#32 Mar 20, 2008
The straw that broke the camel's back for me came from the fact that last year they wanted a full years dues when the park was not operational for the whole season. They would have gotten a much better pay out from members had they have only charged for the time it was open. I have lost two campers and don't ever intend on going back. I loved the place and enjoyed several years of camping there, but now the bickering back and forth has drove my family away. I can't continue to lose money there. Even with insurance, we came out in the hole both times. I work too hard for my money to keep having mother nature slap me in the face. I wish anyone that has the faith to keep going, all the luck in the world. So, if anyone wants to buy a lot, right smack in the middle of River Alley, I got one for sale cheap!! Course the beach club would want you to pay $1200 back dues before you could purchase it. They would rather see it sit there empty, not getting any money at all than to forgo any back dues. Until then, I will keep my $12 a year taxes payed and as long as they have that policy, they will never make a dime off of my lot.
wisegal

Mountain Home, AR

#33 Mar 20, 2008
I heard that Renee has been known to pass information that isn't strictly accurate...not necessarily a lie, but not exactly like it is, either. I'm not a member of any of the forums, but I do read the one that isn't afraid to let people know what they're saying. In all my years of living, it's my experience that if people have to hide to say things, they're usually either embellishing the truth, or telling out and out lies.

Isn't it insurance fraud if you have a chance to save something but don't even try? Oh well...just add that to the long list of people and banks they've defrauded over the last 20 years.
wisegal

Mountain Home, AR

#34 Mar 20, 2008
Renee wrote:
Thank you Barb. You also won't find a crew with more devotion to that park than what we have in our security and maintenance personnel.
By the way, it's not a matter of deep pocket, it's a matter of what is right.
unfortunately, it's a manager who doesn't know how to operate a computer (this IS the 21st century) had -0 people skills, little to no business sense, and has been right in there all along with Wayne Watkins to pull the wool over everyone's eyes.
wisegal

Mountain Home, AR

#35 Mar 20, 2008
Ya'll be sure to ask Renee about the mortgages Clifton took out on one of the bath houses, and ask her about the current foreclosure from the bank of Salem.

I'm sure she'll tell you all it's something wonderful for the park.

I've heard rumors of bigger law suits than that even.....who ever is thinking of sitting tight on their money for the moment? It's a wise decision. Don't let someone badger you into doing something you don't want to do.
JTT

Bossier City, LA

#36 Mar 20, 2008
Come on "tell it like it is" Renee.

The POA did not collect assessments in 2005, 2006, and 2007. Biggers Bluff Corporation and Riverbend Park dba collected assessments for those years.

You, I, and many other Property Owners have discussed accountability for assessments paid by Property Owners on various forums. Evidently some persons thought we were anti management or dummies, and were not entitled to that info.

The Riverbend staff, including management, and Property Owners restored Riverbend Park after the 03 and 06 flood. Their dedication and capabilities are not the issue.

You know what I think of that "tell it like it is" baloney.

Tell it like it really is, "there is no ACCOUNTABILITY TO PROPERTY OWNERS" for assessments collected by management. That is why Property Owners are "reluctant or refuse" to pay assessments. Nothing to do with the POA.

Spin it as you wish. The fact remains there is no ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS FOR ASSESSMENTS COLLECTED BY MANAGEMENT.

Simple solution. Provide and "INCOME AND EXPENSE STATEMENT".
notawatkins

Little Rock, AR

#37 Mar 20, 2008
please don't let camel-toe know the plan.
happy bird

Little Rock, AR

#38 Mar 20, 2008
who's camel-toe?
shroom30

Mountain Home, AR

#39 Mar 20, 2008
Well all I can say is that someone should tell the poor woman she looks like a hooker. She really needs to invest in a new wardrobe. No one needs to see a hiney that old.
wisegal

Mountain Home, AR

#40 Mar 20, 2008
OMGOSH! Is Renee that woman who wears the too short shorts? I've met her and her husband. He looks unhinged...and he's got a nasty mouth that his mother should have washed out with soap.

I love my property up there. I would love to be able to go and just enjoy my time, but every year for the last 8 years it's gone more and more down hill, and it's actually gone down faster since that Clifton Johnson came in. I don't understand why anyone would keep paying (and more than we used to pay) when we keep losing stuff we're supposed to be paying for. And no one feed me that crapola about not being there but since 2005, either. I've been there longer than that, and Clifton's been around the whole time. He was and probably still is Watkins man. JTT, everybody isn't as dumb as some people want them to be. There's people in that park who have been trying to tell people for 20 years what Wayne Watkins and that bunch were and still are doing.
P.S. why does this show up as I'm in Jonesboro when I live in Truman?

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