Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#53951 Nov 14, 2013
Business Insider:

Here’s The Real Reason People Hate Their Individual Market Health Insurance

Unlike people on Medicare, Medicaid and employer-based insurance, people who buy coverage in the individual market know exactly how much they’re paying for it. A plan that you would only rate “fair” when you have to pay $5,000 for it might merit an “excellent” if its apparent cost to you were only $1,000. Almost all of us should be dissatisfied with our health plans, because the American health care system involves paying twice as much as people in other rich countries do to achieve similar health outcomes.

People love their employer-provided coverage because they have no idea how much it’s costing them. One of the reasons I like the disruptions created by Obamacare, and wish there were more of them, is that many of them involve exposing the true cost of American health care to consumers.

The law requires employers to start reporting the cost of employer-sponsored insurance on W-2 forms, so people know how much of their compensation is eaten up by health insurance. Successful health reform should bring that transparency to other parts of the market. That will make the public angry — not because they’re being made worse off, but because they’re finally realizing how bad they’ve had it all along.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#53952 Nov 14, 2013
Igor Volsky:

Oversight Chairman Accused Of Leaking Misleading Information About Obamacare Implementation

Democrats on the House Oversight Committee are accusing Chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA) of selectively leaking misinformation about HealthCare.gov in an effort to portray administration officials as misleading the public about the implementation of Obamacare. On Thursday, Issa appeared on Fox News and claimed that he had obtained documents proving that contractors working on Healthcare.gov believed that the site could only handle 1,100 users before launch.

U.S. Chief Technology Officer Todd Park and White House Press Secretary Jay Carney had publicly stated that the administration believed that the site could handle 60,000 concurrent users. But in a letter to Issa, Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD), the ranking member on the Committee, pointed to an interview Issa’s own staff conducted with Henry Chao, the Deputy Information Officer. Chao explained that the 1,000 figure were “the results of a much smaller testing environment” and were not conducted “with final production testing of the system at full capacity.”

More here

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#53953 Nov 14, 2013
Steve Benen:

Job growth picks up steam unexpectedly

If there was one thing everyone seemed to expect this morning, it was a discouraging jobs report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. After all, these new figures cover the month of October, which means they’ll include the period in which congressional Republicans shut down the federal government.

Imagine our surprise, then, when the new jobs data turned out to be pretty good.

According to the new BLS report, the U.S. economy added 204,000 jobs in October, double economists’ expectations. The private sector added 212,000 jobs – the second best total of the year thus far.
question of the year

Hazleton, PA

#53954 Nov 14, 2013
Who is that on Dan's avatar? I always wanted to know but was too busy trolling this irrelevant forum.
Omar

West Mifflin, PA

#53955 Nov 14, 2013
Obama back peddles on Obamacare, 2 sets of rules,,,,,,,,if you were dropped from your healthcare provider because of Obamacare, you can keep your old coverage once you get it back and keep it for all of 2014, but everyone else needs to follow the rules of obamacare, why 2 sets of standards ? like telling the blacks to move to the back of the bus again...
Jason

West Mifflin, PA

#53957 Nov 14, 2013
once again the middle class pay for the poor
we have been doing this for years.

obamacare wasnt set up for the hard working people of this country but for the lazy no good for nothing trash that dont even want to work and want free stuff
Coop

Emmaus, PA

#53958 Nov 14, 2013
Who cares.....
LaughingAtYou

Chicago, IL

#53959 Nov 14, 2013
Post #53915
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
From Business Week:
Here’s The Real Reason People Hate Their Individual Market Health Insurance
Unlike people on Medicare, Medicaid and employer-based insurance, people who buy coverage in the individual market know exactly how much they’re paying for it. A plan that you would only rate “fair” when you have to pay $5,000 for it might merit an “excellent” if its apparent cost to you were only $1,000. Almost all of us should be dissatisfied with our health plans, because the American health care system involves paying twice as much as people in other rich countries do to achieve similar health outcomes.
People love their employer-provided coverage because they have no idea how much it’s costing them. One of the reasons I like the disruptions created by Obamacare, and wish there were more of them, is that many of them involve exposing the true cost of American health care to consumers.
The law requires employers to start reporting the cost of employer-sponsored insurance on W-2 forms, so people know how much of their compensation is eaten up by health insurance. Successful health reform should bring that transparency to other parts of the market. That will make the public angry — not because they’re being made worse off, but because they’re finally realizing how bad they’ve had it all along.
You've included links to most of your posts today but, oddly, not this one.

Is that because you are lying in stating its source as Business Week?

Busted!

LMAO!

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#53962 Nov 15, 2013
LaughingAtYou wrote:
Post #53915
<quoted text>
You've included links to most of your posts today but, oddly, not this one.
Is that because you are lying in stating its source as Business Week?
Busted!
LMAO!
Wrong.
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
Business Insider:
Here’s The Real Reason People Hate Their Individual Market Health Insurance
Unlike people on Medicare, Medicaid and employer-based insurance, people who buy coverage in the individual market know exactly how much they’re paying for it. A plan that you would only rate “fair” when you have to pay $5,000 for it might merit an “excellent” if its apparent cost to you were only $1,000. Almost all of us should be dissatisfied with our health plans, because the American health care system involves paying twice as much as people in other rich countries do to achieve similar health outcomes.
People love their employer-provided coverage because they have no idea how much it’s costing them. One of the reasons I like the disruptions created by Obamacare, and wish there were more of them, is that many of them involve exposing the true cost of American health care to consumers.
The law requires employers to start reporting the cost of employer-sponsored insurance on W-2 forms, so people know how much of their compensation is eaten up by health insurance. Successful health reform should bring that transparency to other parts of the market. That will make the public angry — not because they’re being made worse off, but because they’re finally realizing how bad they’ve had it all along.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/chambersburg-...

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#53963 Nov 15, 2013
The Obamacare Fact-Check CBS Should Have Done (But Didn’t)

CBS News, already in trouble for not bothering to fact-check sensational claims about the Benghazi attacks, has stepped in it again with an exclusive story on the Affordable Care Act that has quickly fallen apart.

On November 11, CBS News reported that the “project manager in charge of building the federal health care website was apparently kept in the dark about serious failures in the website’s security.”

CBS investigative correspondent Sharyl Attkisson’s report was based on an exclusive “first look at a partial transcript” of closed-door testimony by project manager Henry Chao that was likely leaked to the network by Republicans on the House Oversight Committee. Other media outlets picked up CBS’s scoop and ran with it.

…. Rep. Gerald Connolly (D-VA) questioned Chao at a November 13 Oversight Committee hearing and revealed how misleading CBS News’ report was….

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/11/13/the-o...

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#53964 Nov 15, 2013
If It’s Not One Thing, It’s CBS

…. Gee, CBS gets scammed by a con-man like Darrell Issa. Hoocoodanode?

Perhaps a CBS reporter who has proven to be a reliable mark in the past.

Sharyl Atkisson? The Sharyl Atkisson? The one who proved so valuable to Issa in his attempt to promote the Fast And Furious fakery?…. She was also a dependable mouthpiece in the early days of Benghazi, Benghazi!, BENGHAZI!…. the Sharyl Atkisson who did so much to mainstream anti-vaccine propaganda and give Julia Ioffe whooping cough? That Sharyl Atkisson?

The Tiffany Network is having a tough week.

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/cbs-dar...

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#53965 Nov 15, 2013
What The Obamacare Enrollment Numbers Really Tell Us

To Larry Levitt, a vice president at the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation, another very telling number is this one: over 975,000 have been determined eligible for a marketplace but haven’t yet chosen a plan.

“That’s one of the most telling numbers — a million people have been determined eligible,” Levitt tells me.“That means if the website had been working well, and a million people had gotten to the end of the process, we’d be looking at a very different trajectory now. We heard about the surge in traffic when HealthCare.gov went live. This suggests there is in fact a lot of interest.”

Meanwhile, the 100,000 number is getting a lot of attention, but the report also finds nearly 400,000 were determined eligible for Medicaid.

“In total that’s over 500,000 people who signed up for insurance in the midst of a tumultuous launch,” Levitt says.“People make a distinction between the marketplace and Medicaid, but those are both elements of the Affordable Care Act — both are mechanisms to get people insured.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line... #
America deserves to fail

Lehighton, PA

#53966 Nov 15, 2013
Watching the boy wonder flail, flounder, and fail is giving me great satisfaction ... but I've always told you that he would. LOL

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#53968 Nov 15, 2013
Let’s kill off this myth about second-term presidents

“In a second term, once a president’s numbers decline, they never come back up.” That’s what Republican pollster Ed Goeas says, as reported by Alex Roarty. It’s a myth, and it it would be nice to kill this one off quickly.

To begin with: There have been all of 12 presidents in the polling era; Barack Obama is only the eighth to reach a second term. So it’s hard to make any Iron Laws of Politics out of only eight examples.

Moreover, four of those presidents — Truman, Johnson, Nixon and George W. Bush — all had drops in popularity associated with events which persisted to the end of their presidencies (Bush’s case is a little tricky because as the Iraq War was winding down, a recession began which continued getting worse until he left office).

So the question in those cases is presumably not about public opinion, but about events, and we can easily see that events at other points in a president’s term (say, the Reagan recession, or Clinton’s poor first two years) can be overcome.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-part...

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#53969 Nov 15, 2013
No, Obamacare Won’t Cause Millions Of Workers To Lose Their Employer Sponsored Health Plans

Forbes contributor and former Mitt Romney health care adviser Avik Roy wrote a piece claiming that the Obama administration knew “93 million Americans will be unable to keep their health plans” under Obamacare and that many of them would actually be workers with employer-sponsored coverage.

Under the “grandfather clause,” a plan issued before the ACA was signed in 2010 could remain in place as long as employers or insurance companies didn’t drastically change its terms in a way that would harm the policy holder, like increasing out-of-pocket costs or dropping benefits. However, if a plan did change, it would lose its “grandfather status.” Then, any new plan issued in its place would be subject to Obamacare’s various requirements.

“So it isn’t like all of a sudden people are going to wake up and find out I don’t have my employer coverage anymore,” said Jost.“It’s just there are going to be some minor changes in those plans that benefit enrollees, and that many employers probably already covered anyway.” These small changes might include things like covering workers’ dependent children, or adding preventative care services, according to Jost.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/11/01/28...

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#53970 Nov 15, 2013
In Colorado, A Couple Finds Relief In Obamacare

There’s plenty of criticism of the Affordable Care Act and how it’s being implemented.

But let’s introduce you to someone who is quite pleased with her Obamacare experience: Lela Petersen of Flagler, Colo. She’s a small business owner with a very big health insurance bill.

But thanks to the health law, she expects that bill will be cut by more than half in January.

Petersen is 57, and her husband, Mike, is 60. They have some pre-existing conditions. He has diabetes. She has a back injury. The HMO policy they’ve carried since 1992 has risen over the years to $1,950 per month, just for the two of them.

…. At the beginning of October she checked out Colorado’s insurance exchange and found the exact same policy from the same insurer for only $832 a month.“It’s dropping us down about $1,100 a month. We can retire. We can go fishing. We can actually see a future,” says Petersen.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/11/05/24...

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#53972 Nov 15, 2013
Jonathan Cohn:

‘I Would Jump At It’ The media labeled her an Obamacare victim. Here’s what she really thinks.

If you’ve followed the stories of insurance cancellations related to Obamacare, you may have heard about Dianne Barrette. She’s the 57-year-old Florida realtor who was paying $54 a month for a Blue Cross insurance plan. The plan won’t be available after December. And while FloridaBlue offered her a new plan, the company told her the premium would be $591 a month. Barrette, who makes $30,000 a year and could not pay for such a plan, was flabbergasted.

Jan Crawford of CBS News made her the key source for a story about plan cancellations. An appearance on Fox News followed, as did multiple cameos in press releases from Obamacare critics. For at least a few days, she was the poster child for the Obamacare cancellation story.

But Barrette’s situation defies quick and easy description. It’s true that she can’t keep her current policy—and that most policies available to her for next year have higher premiums. But those plans also offer real coverage, and her current plan does not.

Some people might resent government effectively prohibiting her current plan. Barrette doesn’t appear to be one of them. Based on conversations we’ve had over the past few days, she wants more comprehensive insurance and, within reason, she’s willing to pay more for it.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#53973 Nov 15, 2013
Bob Cesca:

Another Obamacare ‘Horror Story’ Debunked; And, No, the President Didn’t Lie About the Law

As the week began, another “Obamacare” horror story hit the press, instigating a fleet of outrage-pornographers and concern trolls across the political spectrum to resume its self-flagellation and screeching about the disastrous Affordable Care Act — selectively forgetting about actual healthcare horror stories that existed before the law was implemented. It was a story focusing on yet another vague, anecdotal tale about a hapless ACA victim whose insurance policy was canceled, thus vindicating the accusation that the president lied about “keeping your existing insurance policy if you like it.”

Before we dive into the lie accusation, let’s take a closer look at an op/ed for the Wall Street Journal written by a stage-4 gallbladder cancer survivor, Edie Littlefield Sundby.
...
Once again, no. The ACA didn’t force Sundby off her plan. UnitedHealthcare’s profit margin was the culprit here. But regarding this alleged lie, the president was actually correct given the language of the law.

The Affordable Care Act, as signed by the president in 2010, states quite clearly that if your individual health insurance plan was in effect prior to March 23, 2010, your plan would be grandfathered as-is, despite new rules that expand mandatory benefits and ban practices such as lifetime limits. In other words, if you signed up for an insurance policy before March of 2010, and if you like that policy, you could ostensibly keep it. It’s in the law.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#53974 Nov 15, 2013
6 other Obamacare promises – and these are very much coming true

Republicans recently pounced on the fact that, yes, some Americans will lose their current crummy insurance plans that don’t meet the new standards set by the Affordable Care Act.

These Republicans are accusing President Obama of having misled the American public – or worse, having lied.

I think that’s a ridiculous claim. If you like your crummy plan, you can’t keep your crummy plan under Obamacare, but odds are you will find a better plan that is also more affordable, with subsidies available to more than half of Americans.

Aside from parsing this promise that you could keep your plan, it is wrong to say that this alone was how Obamacare was sold to the public.

…. here, for the record, are a few of the Affordable Care kept promises:

1. Millions of young Americans will get access to health care by staying on their parents' plans.
...
2. You will no longer be denied insurance because of a pre-existing condition.
...
3. Your insurance will no longer be cut off due to spending caps.
...
4. You will now be guaranteed much more comprehensive coverage.
...
5. The Affordable Care Act will cover millions of Americans who have lacked insurance.
...
6. The Affordable Care Act is projected to lower the deficit.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/11/04/news/economy/...
Michelle

West Mifflin, PA

#53976 Nov 15, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
In Colorado, A Couple Finds Relief In Obamacare
There’s plenty of criticism of the Affordable Care Act and how it’s being implemented.
But let’s introduce you to someone who is quite pleased with her Obamacare experience: Lela Petersen of Flagler, Colo. She’s a small business owner with a very big health insurance bill.
But thanks to the health law, she expects that bill will be cut by more than half in January.
Petersen is 57, and her husband, Mike, is 60. They have some pre-existing conditions. He has diabetes. She has a back injury. The HMO policy they’ve carried since 1992 has risen over the years to $1,950 per month, just for the two of them.
…. At the beginning of October she checked out Colorado’s insurance exchange and found the exact same policy from the same insurer for only $832 a month.“It’s dropping us down about $1,100 a month. We can retire. We can go fishing. We can actually see a future,” says Petersen.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/11/05/24...
Of course it dropped down with higher out of pocket expenses......and higher drug cost and doctor visits. NO ONE can get cheaper monthly premiums and have lower out of pocket money for doctors, hospitals and prescription drugs under obamcare. NO HOW, NO WAY!

You get what you pay for, you can spin it however way you want to.

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