Captain Beefheart

Erie, PA

#53465 Oct 13, 2013
The party of "personal responsibility" has been exposed as a fraud. The ACA requires personal responsibility from a wide swath of the population requiring people to take the trouble and money to be insured.

Further, and here is their hidden objection, it requires corporate,(and in the case of individually held companies like the Koch Brothers Empire) personal responsibility for the healthcare coverage of people who are working for (read, dedicating their lives to) their companies.

That the Heritage Foundation would be working so hard at defunding and defeating a law which incorporated at its heart their own concept proposal (individual mandate) from the Heritage Foundation in 1993 demonstrates the perfidy of the Right. "Destroy the center, destroy the left, move everything further right until there is no government left to oppose us" has become their evident goal.

This opportunity must be taken to expose their evil intentions. Little of the discussion has touched on the millions of people's lives which are destroyed each year by the lack of insurance, devastating illness untreatable for lack of funds, individuals and families ruined financially, problems the healthcare law addresses.

Mr. Obama, in becoming a target for attack from so many sides for so many reasons, has succeeded in flushing out the formerly hidden groups which now mistakenly think the majority of the country supports their position. It is time for the majority to speak, now, and on election day
Ralph

Baltimore, MD

#53466 Oct 13, 2013
Captain Beefheart wrote:
The party of "personal responsibility" has been exposed as a fraud. The ACA requires personal responsibility from a wide swath of the population requiring people to take the trouble and money to be insured.
Further, and here is their hidden objection, it requires corporate,(and in the case of individually held companies like the Koch Brothers Empire) personal responsibility for the healthcare coverage of people who are working for (read, dedicating their lives to) their companies.
That the Heritage Foundation would be working so hard at defunding and defeating a law which incorporated at its heart their own concept proposal (individual mandate) from the Heritage Foundation in 1993 demonstrates the perfidy of the Right. "Destroy the center, destroy the left, move everything further right until there is no government left to oppose us" has become their evident goal.
This opportunity must be taken to expose their evil intentions. Little of the discussion has touched on the millions of people's lives which are destroyed each year by the lack of insurance, devastating illness untreatable for lack of funds, individuals and families ruined financially, problems the healthcare law addresses.
Mr. Obama, in becoming a target for attack from so many sides for so many reasons, has succeeded in flushing out the formerly hidden groups which now mistakenly think the majority of the country supports their position. It is time for the majority to speak, now, and on election day
The Captain has spoken....we have a Supreme Court that wants to undermime our representative democracy with unlimited finacial contributions from people like the Koch brothers. They buy these nitwits and then own them lock stock and barrel. How can this be good for any of us?
Captain Beefheart

Erie, PA

#53468 Oct 13, 2013
So raise taxes on the rich. To me this is pretty simple. If you are serious about closing the income-to-expenditures gap, and see that as the big threat to civilization as we know it, then agree to raise taxes a smidgen on the people who can afford to pay them. There are a lot of options -- financial transactions tax would be high on my list; carbon tax; lower the estate tax exemption down to 1990s levels; lift the cap on earnings subject to Social Security tax.

And you are also required to notice that even in a severe recession, Obama has cut the annual deficit in half, rather than spinning lies about how he single-handedly has quadrupled it and driven us out of pristine fiscal responsibility into chaos and disaster.

IMO most of the blathering about the debt and the deficit is just window-dressing for the ideology-driven campaign to eliminate all social programs including Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, unemployment benefits, WIC, housing assistance, fuel assistance, and anything else that transfers a few pennies to poor people. Only programs that transfer billions to wealthy people (farm subsidies, military contracts for stuff the Army doesn't even want, bank bailouts) will survive and get increases.

From Robert Reich:

"In 2010 he agreed to extend all of the Bush tax cuts through the end of 2012. Were they satisfied? Of course not.......In response, the President offered an overly-generous $4 trillion “Grand Bargain,” including cuts in Social Security and Medicare and whopping cuts in domestic spending (bringing it to its lowest level as a share of gross domestic product in over half a century)......
When they demanded more, Obama agreed to a Super Committee to find bigger cuts, and if the Super Committee failed, a “sequester” that would automatically and indiscriminately slice everything in the federal budget except Social Security and Medicare.......
By the end of 2012, they insisted that the Bush tax cuts be permanently extended or the nation would go over the “fiscal cliff.” Once again, Obama caved, agreeing to permanently extend the Bush tax cuts for incomes up to $400,000.........
Obama offered more cuts in Medicare and a “chained CPI” to reduce Social Security payments, in exchange for Republican concessions on taxes......"

Robert Reich
Info

Quakertown, PA

#53471 Oct 13, 2013
Captain Beefheart wrote:
So raise taxes on the rich. To me this is pretty simple. If you are serious about closing the income-to-expenditures gap, and see that as the big threat to civilization as we know it, then agree to raise taxes a smidgen on the people who can afford to pay them. There are a lot of options -- financial transactions tax would be high on my list; carbon tax; lower the estate tax exemption down to 1990s levels; lift the cap on earnings subject to Social Security tax.
And you are also required to notice that even in a severe recession, Obama has cut the annual deficit in half, rather than spinning lies about how he single-handedly has quadrupled it and driven us out of pristine fiscal responsibility into chaos and disaster.
IMO most of the blathering about the debt and the deficit is just window-dressing for the ideology-driven campaign to eliminate all social programs including Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, unemployment benefits, WIC, housing assistance, fuel assistance, and anything else that transfers a few pennies to poor people. Only programs that transfer billions to wealthy people (farm subsidies, military contracts for stuff the Army doesn't even want, bank bailouts) will survive and get increases.
From Robert Reich:
"In 2010 he agreed to extend all of the Bush tax cuts through the end of 2012. Were they satisfied? Of course not.......In response, the President offered an overly-generous $4 trillion “Grand Bargain,” including cuts in Social Security and Medicare and whopping cuts in domestic spending (bringing it to its lowest level as a share of gross domestic product in over half a century)......
When they demanded more, Obama agreed to a Super Committee to find bigger cuts, and if the Super Committee failed, a “sequester” that would automatically and indiscriminately slice everything in the federal budget except Social Security and Medicare.......
By the end of 2012, they insisted that the Bush tax cuts be permanently extended or the nation would go over the “fiscal cliff.” Once again, Obama caved, agreeing to permanently extend the Bush tax cuts for incomes up to $400,000.........
Obama offered more cuts in Medicare and a “chained CPI” to reduce Social Security payments, in exchange for Republican concessions on taxes......"
Robert Reich
"Obama has cut the annual deficit in half, rather than spinning lies about how he single-handedly has quadrupled it and driven us out of pristine fiscal responsibility into chaos and disaster."

In a nutshell, Obama isn't spending as much but he is still spending money we don't have. That's why it's called deficit spending.

There is a huge difference between the deficit and the debt. No, he has not quadrupled his deficit spending; he has added more to the national debt in 5 years than his predecessor has done in 8. He has NOT cut our total debt in half! Look at the National Debt Clock. It's rapidly approaching $17 TRILLION dollars. On top of yearly deficit expenditures, you'll have the added cost of Obamacare, which will be closer to $4 trillion over 10 years than the original projection of $900 billion over 10 years. We're looking at a debt of over $20 trillion by the time Obama leaves office. That is unsustainable.
Info

Quakertown, PA

#53472 Oct 13, 2013
Ralph wrote:
<quoted text>
The Captain has spoken....we have a Supreme Court that wants to undermime our representative democracy with unlimited finacial contributions from people like the Koch brothers. They buy these nitwits and then own them lock stock and barrel. How can this be good for any of us?
Don't forget who is on the other side of that Koch Brothers coin...George Soros.

It's still the same coin, just in D or R flavor.
in the know

West Mifflin, PA

#53473 Oct 13, 2013
you'll have the added cost of Obamacare, which will be closer to $4 trillion over 10 years than the original projection of $900 billion over 10 years. FALSE.......
your facts are all lies....

Cost of ObamaCare: Obama Care Cost
What Does ObamaCare Cost?
What is the cost of ObamaCare? ObamaCare, Obama's new health care law, has a massive impact on health care costs. ObamaCare's cost is estimated at up to net cost of $1.1 trillion dollars over the next 10 years. Although Obamacare's net costs are in the trillions, the law actually reduces the growth in health care spending by tens of billions each year, reduces health care costs for many Americans, helps to insure tens of millions and is estimated to result in an overall net decrease of the deficit.

Obamacare is projected to cut the national deficit by over $200 billion during it's first 10 years and over $1 trillion over the next two decades. This helps offset the up-front cost of ObamaCare. Please be aware the cost estimates are changed on a regular basis and are often quoted as being between $1 and $2.6 trillion. Our cost estimate is taken directly from the front page of the official CBO report on ObamaCare's costs. ObamaCare is paid for through collected taxes, penalties, spending cuts and reformations to the health care industry.

take a peek here;

http://obamacarefacts.com/costof-obamacare.ph...
tea baggers debt

West Mifflin, PA

#53474 Oct 13, 2013
how about the cost of two useless unwinnable wars that Bush started? dont forget we had NO money to pay for these wars...PLUS INTEREST!

take a peek here

http://nationalpriorities.org/cost-of/

Iraq, Afghan wars will cost to $4 trillion to $6 trillion !!!!!!

The U.S. wars in Afghanistan and Iraq will cost taxpayers $4 trillion to $6 trillion, taking into account the medical care of wounded veterans and expensive repairs to a force depleted by more than a decade of fighting, according to a new study by a Harvard researcher.

Washington increased military benefits in late 2001 as the nation went to war, seeking to quickly bolster its talent pool and expand its ranks. Those decisions and the protracted nation-building efforts launched in both countries will generate expenses for years to come, Linda J. Bilmes, a public policy professor, wrote in the report that was released Thursday.

“As a consequence of these wartime spending choices, the United States will face constraints in funding investments in personnel and diplomacy, research and development and new military initiatives,” the report says.“The legacy of decisions taken during the Iraq and Afghanistan wars will dominate future federal budgets for decades to come.”

Fix news dont report this, why is that?

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-03-28...
Info

Quakertown, PA

#53475 Oct 13, 2013
in the know wrote:
you'll have the added cost of Obamacare, which will be closer to $4 trillion over 10 years than the original projection of $900 billion over 10 years. FALSE.......
your facts are all lies....
Cost of ObamaCare: Obama Care Cost
What Does ObamaCare Cost?
What is the cost of ObamaCare? ObamaCare, Obama's new health care law, has a massive impact on health care costs. ObamaCare's cost is estimated at up to net cost of $1.1 trillion dollars over the next 10 years. Although Obamacare's net costs are in the trillions, the law actually reduces the growth in health care spending by tens of billions each year, reduces health care costs for many Americans, helps to insure tens of millions and is estimated to result in an overall net decrease of the deficit.
Obamacare is projected to cut the national deficit by over $200 billion during it's first 10 years and over $1 trillion over the next two decades. This helps offset the up-front cost of ObamaCare. Please be aware the cost estimates are changed on a regular basis and are often quoted as being between $1 and $2.6 trillion. Our cost estimate is taken directly from the front page of the official CBO report on ObamaCare's costs. ObamaCare is paid for through collected taxes, penalties, spending cuts and reformations to the health care industry.
take a peek here;
http://obamacarefacts.com/costof-obamacare.ph...
I'll take the Government Accountability Office over your website any day of the week. Please tell me, in what universe, does excess spending lower the deficit?

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/341589/g...

"Obamacare will increase the long-term federal deficit by $6.2 trillion, according to a Government Accountability Office (GAO) report released today.

The GAO report is essentially the first attempt to isolate and calculate Obamacare’s impact on the deficit beyond the traditional ten-year budget window. GAO ran two simulations “based on broad sets of assumptions about health care spending and other components of federal spending and revenue” over a 75-year period. First, a baseline-extended simulation, which “illustrates the long-term outlook assuming federal laws (applicable at the time the simulation was run) remain unchanged,” and second, an alternative simulation, which “illustrates the long-term fiscal outlook assuming historical trends and policy preferences continue.”

The baseline scenario is far more optimistic, largely because it does not take into account the concerns — expressed by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) Trustees, and Medicare’s chief actuary — about “whether certain cost-containment mechanisms included in PPACA can be sustained over the long term.”

However, the GAO report concluded that even under these “more optimistic assumptions,” Obamacare’s cost-control provisions “were not sufficient to prevent an unsustainable increase in debt held by the public.”

The alternative scenario, which incorporates the more realistic “alternative projections” suggested by CBO, the CMS trustees, and the chief Medicare actuary, is even more dire. Under this scenario, the “primary deficit” increases by 0.7 percent of GDP over the 75-year period. The GAO does not put a dollar value on that figure, but Senate Budget Committee staff has calculated, and GAO has confirmed, that it would amount to a $6.2 trillion increase in the federal deficit. "

Sorry Bobby, Math wins and you lose...actually, we all lose.
Info

Quakertown, PA

#53476 Oct 13, 2013
tea baggers debt wrote:
how about the cost of two useless unwinnable wars that Bush started? dont forget we had NO money to pay for these wars...PLUS INTEREST!
take a peek here
http://nationalpriorities.org/cost-of/
Iraq, Afghan wars will cost to $4 trillion to $6 trillion !!!!!!
The U.S. wars in Afghanistan and Iraq will cost taxpayers $4 trillion to $6 trillion, taking into account the medical care of wounded veterans and expensive repairs to a force depleted by more than a decade of fighting, according to a new study by a Harvard researcher.
Washington increased military benefits in late 2001 as the nation went to war, seeking to quickly bolster its talent pool and expand its ranks. Those decisions and the protracted nation-building efforts launched in both countries will generate expenses for years to come, Linda J. Bilmes, a public policy professor, wrote in the report that was released Thursday.
“As a consequence of these wartime spending choices, the United States will face constraints in funding investments in personnel and diplomacy, research and development and new military initiatives,” the report says.“The legacy of decisions taken during the Iraq and Afghanistan wars will dominate future federal budgets for decades to come.”
Fix news dont report this, why is that?
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-03-28...
How can this be the Tea Party's debt when it didn't exist until 2009, Booby?
Barry

West Mifflin, PA

#53480 Oct 14, 2013
The Real numbers !
"The Government Accountability Office estimated (Obamacare) will add to the long-term deficit by $6.2 trillion."
Griffith said the GAO estimated Obamacare will add $6.2 trillion to deficits over the next 75 years.
That figure isn’t in the GAO report that Griffith’s office cited. Republicans came up with the number by adding reasonable computations to a worst-case scenario laid out by the GAO early this year.
Griffith failed to mention that the report also contained a rosy scenario showing Obamacare could substantially reduce long-term deficits. The GAO did not say in its report which of the scenarios is more likely to occur. Many experts say the reality likely will fall somewhere in the middle.
So Griffith’s statement contains a trace of fact, but creates a deceptive claim about what the GAO report said. We rate his statement Mostly False.
Politifacts dont lie..........tea bag websites do..HAAAA!!!!!!!!
take a peek here
http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements...
Kenny

West Mifflin, PA

#53484 Oct 14, 2013
The Daily Caller is owned by none other than the tea bagger conservative Tucker Carlton the ex FIX news reporter.
He was canned along with Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin ..LOL!

The Daily Caller likes to suck in the idiot tea bag drones that believe their stories and lies.

Here is a sample of their worthless news and lies.

Senator Bob Menendez prostitution controversy and FBI investigation In an article titled "Women: Sen. Bob Menendez paid us for sex in the Dominican Republic",[18] The Daily Caller reported that New Jersey senator Bob Menendez had allegedly paid two prostitutes to have sex with him during a stay at a Dominican Republic resort. The report included videotaped interviews with the women. The allegation came five days before the 2012 New Jersey senate election. News organizations such as the New York Times, ABC News and the New York Post declined to publish the allegations, viewing them as unsubstantiated and lacking credibility.

Former FIX news ex employees go on to lower heights to make money and false news stories, FIX news taught them well !
LMAO!!
Kenny

West Mifflin, PA

#53485 Oct 14, 2013
Scandal Fever Is Making Fox News Even More Demented Than Usual!!!!!!!

It must be a terrible burden to have to manage as many trumped up scandals as Fox News is currently struggling with. The sheer volume of fabricated nonsense to manufacture and inventory would be a strain on any propaganda outfit. But the pressure is showing now as Fox appears unable to function under the weight of the task. Take a look at these recent schizoid episodes they have belched out:

On the Fox Business Network, their anchor Lou Dobbs hosted a panel to discuss the state of women in the workplace and the results of a new poll that shows more American women are the primary earners in their families. In order to have a balanced debate on this subject, Fox invited only men to participate. But after you hear what one of those men said, you’ll understand why women weren’t necessary:

•There has been no shortage of reporting by Fox that negatively frames the issue of marriage equality, but when a Republican senator, Rob Portman, announces that because of his gay son he now supports it, Fox nearly ignores the subject entirely.
•One of Fox’s favorite stories of the past several years involved the videos of James O’Keefe, whose editing was deliberately misleading and dishonest, but when one of his victims, Juan Carlos Vera, forced O’Keefe into a $100,000 settlement, Fox abstained from reporting it.

http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/...

Lies and fantasies dont win elections, as you can see by the 2008 and 2012 presidential elections !!
LMAO!

Yes folks, visit FIX news and Daily Caller websites for the real ,unbiased,newsworthy ,late breaking news....LOL!

And you wonder why the Limbaugh nut juice sippers cant win elections !! LOL!
D Cheney

West Mifflin, PA

#53486 Oct 14, 2013
Megyn Kelly Draws a Large, Older Audience on Fox News Show:

On her first night as a central player in the Fox News prime-time lineup, Megyn Kelly scored impressively with the network’s core audience of older viewers, but did not register much improvement in attracting additional viewers in the category that makes money for cable news networks, viewers between the ages of 25 and 54.

In fact, among that group, Ms. Kelly finished second to Rachel Maddow on MSNBC in the 9 p.m. hour. That qualifies as something of a surprise given the amount of publicity Fox News put behind the introduction of Ms. Kelly and her status as the fastest rising star at the network.

A possible reason for those results, executives at both Fox News and MSNBC suggested on Monday, was that the issues of the day, the shutdown of the government and the threat of default if the government’s debt ceiling is not raised, seem to be drawing MSNBC’s core left-of-center audience to that channel.

Over all, MSNBC had an unusually robust night, led at 7 p.m. by a strong performance by Chris Matthews on his “Hardball” show, which averaged 377,000 viewers in the 25-to-54 group. That was the best result on cable news all night, other than that of the perennially dominant Bill O’Reilly on Fox News, whose 8 p.m. show averaged an audience of 415,000 among those viewers. And at 10 p.m., where Sean Hannity has been relocated on Fox News, Lawrence O’Donnell on MSNBC managed to tie Mr. Hannity in that age category (important because news advertisers pay for viewers in that group) with 251,000 each.

In conclusion older white males ( over 54 ) that arent getting their share of sex tune into Fox's pretty women to masturbate where as the younger generation date abd have sex they dont need to see pretty woman and bogus reporting. Thus the switching of Sean Hannity and Megyn Kelly.

Older white guys try get off on pretty women with some help from Viagra ,but older white guys are in the minority today and those folks are just outnumbered by a more intelligent group of people that turn to reliable news channels for their news.

No matter how much lipstick you put on a pig, it's still a pig.. LMAO!
A pretty face will draw in old guys but wont draw in the votes for the desperate tea bagger ccadidates..LMAO!

And now back to FIX news for the latest,unbiased,late breaking ,trustworthy news channel.
LOL!

take a peek here

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/09/business/me...

"Polls dont lie,I predict a Romney landslide by 320 electoral votes, I mean after all I've been doing this for a living for over 40 years" -Dick Morris Nov. 4,2012......... LMAO!!
G Bush

West Mifflin, PA

#53487 Oct 14, 2013
Bill O'Reilly Takes On Dick Morris Over Romney Landslide Prediction:

take a peek here



LMAO!
C Rice

West Mifflin, PA

#53488 Oct 14, 2013
McCain calls Sean Hannity a liar ( in so many words ) LMAO!

Take a peek here



Now back to FIX news for the most trustworthy ,unbiased, late breaking news coverage !!!

LMAO!
C Rice

West Mifflin, PA

#53489 Oct 14, 2013
John McCain gets feisty with Sean Hannity, letting him know that not only was Fox News wrong about Libya, but Hannity himself was wrong about it. John McCain was brought onto the Fox News Hannity show to speak about the international ramifications of events in Libya, but Sean Hannity did not want to hear the truth. He only wanted to hear talking points that were established to fit the party line that Fox News states.

Noting that Hannity and people on FoxNews said of the Libyans --'Let's not help these people', he further goes on to establish that a democratic government was, indeed, put into place by the vote of the people.'They had an election, and they elected moderates!'

'A democratic, non Islamic government was elected,' notes John McCain.

When the talk about Libya starts to turn harsh, and John McCain reiterates that FoxNews was wrong, and he knows it, Sean starts to babble on about anything else he can talk about and with a short quip response from McCain, he is then shut off - the segment is immediately ended.

FoxNews can't handle dissention within the ranks, and slowly but surely, they are getting a ton of dissention from all manner of Republicans who are refusing to play by the slanted rules of their games. Telling the truth? Forget it, you'll be cut off and you won't be able to finish.

LMAO!

G Bush

West Mifflin, PA

#53490 Oct 14, 2013
Sean Hannity is a Hypocritical Coward .

Yes folks, tune into FIX news for the latest,unbiased,trustworthy,la te breaking news channel ..........LOL!

take a peek here if you dare!

G Bush

West Mifflin, PA

#53491 Oct 14, 2013
Want a great laugh..........see the video on Karl Rove on election night...,,,,,,,ummmm,duhhhhh,e rrrrrrrrr,uhhhhhhhh,,,,,baaaaa aaaaa,,,,,,daaaaaaaaa,,,,LMAO! !

take a peek here

S Hannity

West Mifflin, PA

#53492 Oct 14, 2013
If FIX news would say the earth is flat and all outer space pictures prove that it's actually proven to be round,the old white tea bagger dementia FIX news viewers would believe that those pictures of a round earth were a conspiracy theory dreamed up by astronomists and liberals LMAO!

Yes folks FIX news,,,,where the old white guys go for their latest,trustworthy,unbiased,la te breaking news channel and foxy women to masturbate to .....LOL!

While Sean Hannity's time slot was tanking,in steps Meg Kelly so old white guys can drool on their bibs after they cant hold all of that Limbaugh nut juice in...then off to bed and medication time !!
LOL!
LMAO!
C Powell

West Mifflin, PA

#53494 Oct 14, 2013
Ted Cruz [ R ] Texas and his tea bagger followers will be defeated as the debt ceiling will be passed and Obamacare will NOT be touched...the tea baggers cant hang on for very long..........

John Boehner Speaker of the House will fold like a cheap suit and allow the vote to proceed to raise the debt ceiling.

The GOP will once again bow to Obama as their master.

After all Obama beat McCain and Romney like a couple rented mules.

The voters have spoken, Obamacare is the law of the land and will not be touched unless Obama wants it to.

Tea baggers will lose in 2014 elections and both the House and the Senate will rule the land....

Then Hillary will be the favored front runner in 2016..... tea baggers will be moaning for another 8 years after Hillary is elected.
The tea baggers will crawl back into their holes and only come out to swallow up the Limbaugh nut juice unless he overdoses on cocaine since he's a real junkie.....LMAO!

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