Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#50871 Jul 9, 2013
WARNING WARNING wrote:
Exactly. After giving you a lecture of truths he posts an opinionated libheaded blog only a true nitwit would cite as truthful. <quoted text>
Opinions based on facts.

What do you have? Opinions based on lies.
flat tax

West Mifflin, PA

#50872 Jul 9, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
There is a difference between fact and opinion.
It is a fact that the poor will pay more under a flat tax and the rich will pay less. That is a fact.
The opinion is - that's wrong and unfair.
you have me mixed up with someone else i merely was saying EVERYONE pay a flat tax, i dont care if its 2%,10% or 50%.make it across the board.......... thats the fairest way,is it the sympathy of the poor fair.......well no.....but it is fair for all... someone shouldnt get a free ride all their lives without contributing...people ask me if i give to any charities....i say yep......the federal government....and it's more than 10% of my salary
flat tax

West Mifflin, PA

#50873 Jul 9, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
There is a difference between fact and opinion.
It is a fact that the poor will pay more under a flat tax and the rich will pay less. That is a fact.
The opinion is - that's wrong and unfair.
so someone making 100 million pays a flat tax ..say 5%,,,,,and the poor that make almost nothing say.......20K pays the same flat tax......why is that not fair? do you want the poor to pay nothing at all?...so we should all be poor, then where does the governemnt get their money to run the country?
where does the gov get money to give to the poor. do you want the rich to pay everyones way?..... thats fair?

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#50874 Jul 9, 2013
The BHO Legacy wrote:
Obama is faulted on leadership
07/09/13
Supporters and critics of President Obama are looking for leadership on many pressing issues from the White House, but many believe they are not getting it.
On Monday, Obama held a Cabinet meeting and spoke about his effort to modernize government databases.
He avoided public remarks on several matters seen as more pressing, such as turmoil in Egypt and the wider Middle East, faltering efforts to reform immigration in the U.S. and the rocky implementation of ObamaCare. Instead the president spoke to a small group of reporters about his efforts to improve databases and make government more efficient.
“We’re working to make huge swaths of your government more transparent and more accountable than ever before,” Obama said at the White House.
Even to the most loyal Obama supporters, the move seemed irrelevant, even odd.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/30...
Yes, for some irrational reason the press likes to believe that if the President would just work harder and show more leadership, the GOP would stop being totally obstructionist on everything and begin to actually do their jobs.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#50875 Jul 9, 2013
flat tax wrote:
<quoted text>you have me mixed up with someone else i merely was saying EVERYONE pay a flat tax, i dont care if its 2%,10% or 50%.make it across the board.......... thats the fairest way,is it the sympathy of the poor fair.......well no.....but it is fair for all... someone shouldnt get a free ride all their lives without contributing...people ask me if i give to any charities....i say yep......the federal government....and it's more than 10% of my salary
Everybody who works in this country pays taxes. Every flat tax proposal I've seen takes more from the working poor and less from the rich. If that's what you want, fine. Just don't call it fair.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#50876 Jul 9, 2013
flat tax wrote:
<quoted text>so someone making 100 million pays a flat tax ..say 5%,,,,,and the poor that make almost nothing say.......20K pays the same flat tax......why is that not fair? do you want the poor to pay nothing at all?...so we should all be poor, then where does the governemnt get their money to run the country?
where does the gov get money to give to the poor. do you want the rich to pay everyones way?..... thats fair?
Start with $100 million and $20,000.

Then subtract living expenses including housing, food, clothing, heat, transportation, child-care, and payroll taxes.

At the end of the day,$100 million has $99.9 million left and the $20,000 has nothing left.

And you want to take an additional 5% off the top of the working poor? How is that fair?

You don't know anybody that's actually poor, do you?

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#50877 Jul 9, 2013
flat tax wrote:
<quoted text>you have me mixed up with someone else i merely was saying EVERYONE pay a flat tax, i dont care if its 2%,10% or 50%.make it across the board.......... thats the fairest way,is it the sympathy of the poor fair.......well no.....but it is fair for all... someone shouldnt get a free ride all their lives without contributing...people ask me if i give to any charities....i say yep......the federal government....and it's more than 10% of my salary
LOL! You can't actually believe that ALL your federal taxes go to help the poor. Be serious.

For your tax dollars, you get good roads, clean water, clean air, safe medicines, safe food, national security, a good education, a criminal justice system, fire and police protection, safe working conditions, a secure monetary system, safe and effective energy production, free and fair elections, safe air, ship, and rail travel, a strong import/export system, a strong economy, and much, much more.

Taxes are the cost of living in the greatest country on the planet. You get a lot for your money, so why pretend that it's all going to loafers when the facts clearly show otherwise?
bobby6464

Portland, OR

#50878 Jul 9, 2013
The racial hating tea bags want all that for free. There is nothing free in america tea bags. They want and want. Propor prior planning prevents piss poor performance racial hating tea bags, learn that before the mid terms Limbaugh nut juice guzzlers, ahhhhhhhhhhhh them morons ahhhhhhhh dingle berry tea bags searching for a charity

Since: Jun 08

Not Waynesboro or Hagerstown

#50879 Jul 10, 2013
bobby6464 wrote:
The racial hating tea bags want all that for free. There is nothing free in america tea bags. They want and want. Propor prior planning prevents piss poor performance racial hating tea bags, learn that before the mid terms Limbaugh nut juice guzzlers, ahhhhhhhhhhhh them morons ahhhhhhhh dingle berry tea bags searching for a charity
except for your health care and you President Obama Phone.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#50880 Jul 10, 2013
GenPatton wrote:
<quoted text>
except for your health care and you President Obama Phone.
I will never understand why you CHOOSE to believe objectively false things.

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They’re Reagan Phones, Not Obama Phones

There’s been a lot of social commentary and criticism lately about a discounted or free telephone program for low income people that has picked up the nickname “Obama phones.”

But did you know the history of this program dates to two previous presidents?

And the service isn’t funded by taxpayer dollars.

The discounted, sometimes free, wireless services that started to become available to low income households in 2005, under George W. Bush’s administration, is an expanded and updated version of the Lifeline telephone service program that launched in 1985, under Ronald Reagan’s administration.

Read more at: http://www.monroenews.com/news/2013/jan/15/th...

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#50882 Jul 10, 2013
The BHO Legacy wrote:
‘Obama phones’ given to those who would sell them for drugs
June 18, 2013
An undercover video from conservative activist James O'Keefe shows corporate “Obama phone” distributors handing out the devices to even those who ask if they can be sold for drug money.
The video was taken in May, the Daily Mail reported.
The phone program was aimed at supplying poverty-level Americans with a means of applying for jobs, contacting emergency responders and soliciting assistance for their children. It’s a project of the Federal Communications Commission that’s grown considerably in the past couple years; in 2012, its expenses hit $2.19 billion, the Daily Mail said.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/...
They are Reagan phones.

The service is not funded with tax dollars.

This incident has nothing in the world to do with President Obama.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#50883 Jul 10, 2013
Here are the FACTS:

Congressman’s Slippery Cell Phone Claim
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/05/congressmans...

The Obama Phone?

Q: Has the Obama administration started a program to use "taxpayer money" to give free cell phones to welfare recipients?

A: No. Low-income households have been eligible for discounted telephone service for more than a decade. But the program is funded by telecom companies, not by taxes, and the president has nothing to do with it.
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/the-obama-ph...

Of course the FACTS mean nothing to the rabid rightwing, whose only remaining agenda is to blindly attack the President no matter what he does.

Even if that means telling bald-faced lies over and over and over again in the desperate hope that people will eventually believe them (a la Joseph Goebbels, their propaganda mentor).

Since: Jun 08

Not Waynesboro or Hagerstown

#50884 Jul 10, 2013
I'm sure glad President Obama has not increased or expanded ANY programs.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#50885 Jul 10, 2013
GenPatton wrote:
I'm sure glad President Obama has not increased or expanded ANY programs.
I sure wish you could respond to what people actually post rather than the strawmen you'd prefer to argue with.

I guess that's just the natural side-effect of believing a failed political ideology - you can't have an honest debate because it would reveal your moral and intellectual bankruptcy.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#50887 Jul 10, 2013
The BHO Legacy wrote:
<quoted text>
"The truth is, though, that taxpayers are footing the bill."
‘Obama phone’ program now costing taxpayers billions
Arkansas Congressman Tim Griffin says the Lifeline program is “running wild” and is working to pass a bill that would end the federal subsidies:
The evidence is stacking up: dead people are receiving free cell phones in the mail, eligible and ineligible individuals are obtaining more than one, and electronic kiosks have been stationed in convenience stores to spread the word about this “free” opportunity. The truth is, though, that taxpayers are footing the bill. The program is called Lifeline, but in reality it’s turned into Uncle Sam’s Unlimited Plan. My bill returns the Lifeline program back to its original structure by ending federal subsidies for free cell phone services. This growing government cell phone program is costing American consumers and taxpayers, and my bill puts an end to it.
http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2013/06/06/obama...
If you refuse to educate yourself, you are going to continue to look gullible and stupid.

Or a liar.

Or both.

From MY PREVIOUS LINK:

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A congressman’s Web video goes too far when it portrays a program that subsidizes cell phone service for very low-income persons as a government giveaway that is costing taxpayers billions.

The video also misleadingly claims Arkansas Rep. Tim Griffin is “reforming” the program. His proposed legislation — the “Stop Taxpayer-Funded Cell Phones Act of 2011&#8243; — actually would eliminate the cell phone subsidy.
...
The video — using a clip from a news show — briefly acknowledges that the subsidized cell phones are funded by “a hidden fee that’s on your cell phone bill.” But the rest of the video portrays the fee as a government tax. Griffin suggests the program is an example of wasteful federal spending when he says:“If we can’t cut this, then we’re in big, big trouble when it comes to cutting other wasteful spending because this is easy.”

We tackled a similar claim in 2009 regarding the so-called “Obama phone.” As we explained then, the FCC requires phone companies to fund “universal service” programs such as Lifeline that improve telecommunications access to all Americans. The companies pass the cost along to consumers in the form of a universal service fee, which is listed on a monthly phone bill.

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/05/congressmans...

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Tim Griffin LIED.

And you either gullibly swallowed his lie or you are knowingly passing it on.

Either way, your post is dishonest and was debunked long ago.

But then again - what can you expect from The Blaze, a rightwing propaganda outlet funded by Glenn Beck. LMAO!

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#50889 Jul 10, 2013
The BHO Legacy wrote:
Millions Improperly Claimed U.S. Phone Subsidies
The U.S. government spent about $2.2 billion last year to provide phones to low-income Americans, but a Wall Street Journal review of the program shows that a large number of those who received the phones haven't proved they are eligible to receive them.
The Lifeline program—begun in 1984 to ensure that poor people aren't cut off from jobs, families and emergency services—is funded by charges that appear on the monthly bills of every landline and wireless-phone customer. Payouts under the program have shot up from $819 million in 2008, as more wireless carriers have persuaded regulators to let them offer the service.
Suspecting that many of the new subscribers were ineligible, the Federal Communications Commission tightened the rules last year and required carriers to verify that existing subscribers were eligible. The agency estimated 15% of users would be weeded out, but far more were dropped.
A review of five top recipients of Lifeline support conducted by the FCC for the Journal showed that 41% of their more than six million subscribers either couldn't demonstrate their eligibility or didn't respond to requests for certification.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142412788...
Well done, President Obama!

It's good that the Obama administration tightened up the Reagan/Bush program to prevent waste, fraud, and abuse.

Thanks for pointing out that excellent work, Legacy.
food stamps

West Mifflin, PA

#50890 Jul 10, 2013
now if we can weed out the welfare fraud , we can be on the right road.
free stuff

West Mifflin, PA

#50891 Jul 10, 2013
The BHO Legacy wrote:
Millions Improperly Claimed U.S. Phone Subsidies
The U.S. government spent about $2.2 billion last year to provide phones to low-income Americans, but a Wall Street Journal review of the program shows that a large number of those who received the phones haven't proved they are eligible to receive them.
The Lifeline program—begun in 1984 to ensure that poor people aren't cut off from jobs, families and emergency services—is funded by charges that appear on the monthly bills of every landline and wireless-phone customer. Payouts under the program have shot up from $819 million in 2008, as more wireless carriers have persuaded regulators to let them offer the service.
Suspecting that many of the new subscribers were ineligible, the Federal Communications Commission tightened the rules last year and required carriers to verify that existing subscribers were eligible. The agency estimated 15% of users would be weeded out, but far more were dropped.
A review of five top recipients of Lifeline support conducted by the FCC for the Journal showed that 41% of their more than six million subscribers either couldn't demonstrate their eligibility or didn't respond to requests for certification.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142412788...
2.2 billion is a bargain considering what we dish out for the welfare fraud cases....
bobby6464

Fayetteville, NC

#50892 Jul 10, 2013
In racial hating tea bag land america does not live. That pisses off tea bags, huh general? President Obama still has higher public approval then any tea bag and so does Mrs Clinton. A tea bag denial will never change that fact. General, america does not live in your right wing tea bag bubble. Keep crying for the free stuff charity case. Thump that bible a little harder, no dumb ass tea bag much harder than that. Warren buffet and bill gates support president Obama over former governor flipper, charity cases huh? That's a fact only in right wing tea bag news, huh fanatical bible thumper?
bobby6464

Fayetteville, NC

#50893 Jul 10, 2013
Tea bags, practice voting on the above post for voting practice, alright dumb asses?

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