Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#50659 Jul 3, 2013
Fearless Contrarian wrote:
<quoted text>
You've been brainwashed by the LGBT movement, my friend.
Interracial marriage is not comparable to same-sex marriage. A fertile man and woman are anatomically compatible and can procreate, regardless of their skin pigmentation. A fertile man and man or woman and woman are neither anatomically/sexually compatible nor capable of producing a baby together in a natural way. I know it’s hard to accept, but that’s the truth.
If only love was just about sex and procreation.

But it's not. It's a much more complex thing than that.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#50660 Jul 3, 2013
Fearless Contrarian wrote:
If homosexuals are really suffering systemic discrimination and oppression, comparable to the African-Americans plight of the past, then explain why American gay couples are far more likely to be highly educated and higher-income?(Kurtzleben, US News, March 2013) Does that sound like a demographic that’s being systemically oppressed?
Don't believe the LGBT movement's lies.
Source: < http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/03/0... ;
Is there an echo in here.

LOL!
dbar

Perkasie, PA

#50661 Jul 3, 2013
xfactor wrote:
So what does the NSA have on these SCOTUS judges that decided the ACA is constitutional?
They have everything on everyone, and you don't think they use it?
Moving money from the private sector to the government is NEVER a good idea. Unless you are are a big fan of inadequacy, cronyism, bureaucracy, inefficiency, and socialism.
try precedent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Act_for_the_r...

" It was signed by President John Adams on July 16, 1798. The Act authorized the deduction of twenty cents per month from the wages of seamen, for the sole purpose of funding medical care for sick and disabled seamen, as well as building additional hospitals for the treatment of seamen.[1] This was the first Federal mandate levied on individuals for health insurance,[2] preceding the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (aka "Obamacare"), passed in early 2010, by nearly 212 years."

so no need for NSA conspiracy claptrap.
Fearless Contrarian

Saint Paul, MN

#50662 Jul 3, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's why your argument isn't valid:
You can hide your sexual orientation. You cannot hide your skin color.
Individual homosexuals have received the same kinds of discrimination and harassment as African Americans, just not on the same scale because of the ability to hide sexual orientation.
I understand why you don't like the comparison. But your stated reasons don't hold up under scrutiny.
I'm sure gays have been UNFAIRLY discriminated, but discrimination against gays has not been enshrined in laws that parallel the racist Jim Crow laws.

Do you understand the difference between social and institutional discrimination?

Obese people are constantly being discriminated against by society, but there are no laws specifically instituting discrimination against obese people. Understand?
Fearless Contrarian

Saint Paul, MN

#50663 Jul 3, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg - I challenge you to argue against plural marriage using the same ethical framework used to argue in support of same-sex marriage. Can you logically dispute any of the arguments below without also disputing same-sex marriage?

1. Polyamorous Orientation: According to the theory of Genetic Imperative, many men are biologically hardwired or oriented to feel attraction toward multiple women, yet social values and socialization pressures require men to repress expression of these innate impulses (this is true across all socioeconomic, ethnic and cultural groups). Since a predominant number of men have inborn sexual tendencies that are incompatible with a monogamous lifestyle, by no fault of their own, marriage ought to be progressively redefined as a socially approved relationship between an undefined number of consenting spouses.

2. Separation of Church and State: Many state marriage laws codify and uphold religious principles that unjustly and unconstitutionally force polyamorous persons to conform to non-secular tradition.

3. Consequential Neutrality: Permitting men to marry at least two wives (polygyny) or women to marry multiple husbands (polyandry) will not in any way infringe on monogamists’ right to marry only one spouse. Therefore, polygamy should be permitted because of its neutral consequence to other valid forms of marriage.

4. Consequentialism: Studies have shown that parental household income and parental involvement correlates positively with many lifelong success indicators. Since multiple-parent households have greater income potential and more parental time than monogamist parents, children raised by stable polygamist parents stand to be more educated, healthy, well-adjusted and productive as adults than their monogamist-raised counterparts. Considering the significant long-term social benefits of polygamous relationships, governments should not discriminatorily deny their citizens’ right to this equally valid lifestyle.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#50664 Jul 3, 2013
Fearless Contrarian wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sure gays have been UNFAIRLY discriminated, but discrimination against gays has not been enshrined in laws that parallel the racist Jim Crow laws.
Do you understand the difference between social and institutional discrimination?
Obese people are constantly being discriminated against by society, but there are no laws specifically instituting discrimination against obese people. Understand?
Don't be confused - I fully understand your point.

MY point is that it's an irrelevant distraction from the fundamental fact that denying equal rights to homosexuals is not substantially different from denying equal rights to African Americans. On the issue of marriage, the experience of the LGBT community is no different than the experience of interracial couples.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#50665 Jul 3, 2013
Fearless Contrarian wrote:
Obese people are constantly being discriminated against by society, but there are no laws specifically instituting discrimination against obese people. Understand?
But there ARE laws specifically instituting discrimination against gay couples wishing to be married, right?
Alex Schilajew

Beaver Falls, PA

#50666 Jul 3, 2013
I vote against the republican party. 23 of the red states receive about a trillion dollars more from fed. gov. than they put in.Also, on the TARP hearing the rep.southern senators voted against giving money to GM and Chrysler. They have foreign car mfgs. in southern states.Gee, I think I see the problem!! Want to straighten up America vote anti-republican .A trillion dollar would cure most financial problems. Why are you supporting Mississippi,SC,etc?? When they try to take jbs away fro Yankee state IE. GE.???
Fearless Contrarian

Saint Paul, MN

#50668 Jul 3, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
But there ARE laws specifically instituting discrimination against gay couples wishing to be married, right?
'

Yes, just as there ARE laws specifically instituting discrimination against polyamorous and incestuous couples.

The question DFLers need to ask is, is mankind ready to redefine an ancient human institution that is biologically natural and universal?

It's important to consider that in states where same-sex marriage is legal, public schools are required to teach impressionable children that homosexuality is a normal and an equally valid alternative to heterosexuality. This new and untested social experiment, which goes against humans’ procreative instincts and natural order, will have profound negative social, economic, health, and evolutionary consequences.

The LGBT movement would like you to believe that same-sex marriage is only an issue concerning two people who love each other, but that is far from the truth.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#50669 Jul 3, 2013
Fearless Contrarian wrote:
<quoted text>'
Yes, just as there ARE laws specifically instituting discrimination against polyamorous and incestuous couples.
The question DFLers need to ask is, is mankind ready to redefine an ancient human institution that is biologically natural and universal?
It's important to consider that in states where same-sex marriage is legal, public schools are required to teach impressionable children that homosexuality is a normal and an equally valid alternative to heterosexuality. This new and untested social experiment, which goes against humans’ procreative instincts and natural order, will have profound negative social, economic, health, and evolutionary consequences.
The LGBT movement would like you to believe that same-sex marriage is only an issue concerning two people who love each other, but that is far from the truth.
DFLers?
America deserves to fail

Lehighton, PA

#50670 Jul 3, 2013
DumbFuck Liberals ...

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#50671 Jul 3, 2013
America deserves to fail wrote:
DumbFuck Liberals ...
I wasn't talking to you. The poster might have had something else in mind.
Fearless Contrarian

Saint Paul, MN

#50673 Jul 3, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
I wasn't talking to you. The poster might have had something else in mind.
Dan the Man Chambersburg: Something tells me you're a nice person with good intentions, but sadly you've succumbed to the false propaganda of the LGBT movement. My advice is: think critically for yourself, and let no one persuade you that the sky is purple when it's clearly blue in color.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#50674 Jul 3, 2013
Fearless Contrarian wrote:
<quoted text>
Dan the Man Chambersburg: Something tells me you're a nice person with good intentions, but sadly you've succumbed to the false propaganda of the LGBT movement. My advice is: think critically for yourself, and let no one persuade you that the sky is purple when it's clearly blue in color.
I am a nice person with good intentions. Thanks for noticing.

I am also intelligent with good critical thinking and reasoning skills and can form accurate, reliable opinions based on the facts and reality. I have LGBT friends (do you?) who tell me about their life experiences, hopes and dreams, as well as the bigotry and injustice they experience. You can trust that my opinions on this issue are intelligently formed, rational, and based on an accurate perception of reality. Your assumption that they are not is insulting and rude.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#50676 Jul 3, 2013
The BHO Legacy wrote:
Religious leaders push for ObamaCare contraception mandate exemptions
July 03, 2013
Leaders of religious groups representing more than 100 million Americans said Tuesday that religious institutions and business owners should not be forced to provide contraceptive coverage that violates their conscience.
In an open letter unveiled at a press conference at the National Press Club in Washington, the coalition of groups urges the Department of Health and Human Services to exempt "any organization or individual that has religious or moral objections" to the so-called contraception mandate in ObamaCare.
The letter is signed by leaders of the Roman Catholic church, the Southern Baptist Convention, the National Association of Evangelicals, the Assemblies of God and the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod, among others.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/03/re...
The ACA requires insurance companies to provide contraception without deductibles or co-pays. There is no requirement for employers to pay for it - the burden is on the insurance companies.

And since when does anybody but Catholics object to contraception? Baptists, Evangelicals, Lutherans, all of them use birth control.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#50678 Jul 3, 2013
The BHO Legacy wrote:
Obama missed out on Arab Spring
The 2011 Arab uprisings presented the United States with a historic opportunity to take a clear stand on the side of freedom and democracy and strengthen its own standing in the process. Incredibly, the Obama administration has blundered and stumbled, with a response marked by timidity and caution.
As a result, America appears weaker, less influential and less trusted, while the Arab Middle East continues to seethe with instability and violence.
Today, as the Egyptian state shudders, with millions taking to the streets infuriated with a government that is taking the country down a path they do not trust, and as Syrians continue to slaughter each other, with death toll approaching 100,000, there is no side in the conflicts that feels warmly toward America.
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/03/opinion/ghi...
Obama's stand was clear enough to those who were listening and who had reasonable expectations.

----------

International reactions to the Arab Spring

United States — On 19 May [2011], President Barack Obama gave a foreign policy speech in regards to the Arab Spring. He contrasted the ideology of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, recently killed by US Navy SEALS, with that of pro-democracy protesters in the Middle East and North Africa, saying: "By the time we found bin Laden, al Qaeda’s agenda had come to be seen by the vast majority of the region as a dead end, and the people of the Middle East and North Africa had taken their future into their own hands."

Obama praised the demonstrators, comparing their efforts to bring about reform to the actions of the Boston Tea Party and Rosa Parks in American history. He criticized socioeconomic stratification in the Middle East, saying, "The nations of the Middle East and North Africa won their independence long ago, but in too many places their people did not. In too many countries, power has been concentrated in the hands of the few." He added that "through the moral force of non-violence, the people of the region have achieved more change in six months than terrorists have accomplished in decades.

Obama also pledged to continue U.S. security policy in the region, but said he would also emphasize the opposition of the United States to violent and repressive governmental responses to the Arab Spring and its support for human rights and democratic reforms, claiming, "Our support for these principles is not a secondary interest...[It] will be the policy of the United States to promote reform across the region, and to support transitions to democracy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_re...

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#50679 Jul 3, 2013
The BHO Legacy wrote:
Obama missed out on Arab Spring
The 2011 Arab uprisings presented the United States with a historic opportunity to take a clear stand on the side of freedom and democracy and strengthen its own standing in the process. Incredibly, the Obama administration has blundered and stumbled, with a response marked by timidity and caution.
As a result, America appears weaker, less influential and less trusted, while the Arab Middle East continues to seethe with instability and violence.
Today, as the Egyptian state shudders, with millions taking to the streets infuriated with a government that is taking the country down a path they do not trust, and as Syrians continue to slaughter each other, with death toll approaching 100,000, there is no side in the conflicts that feels warmly toward America.
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/03/opinion/ghi...
Any Republicans ahead of Obama on this? Any Republicans doing what your critic of the President wanted?

Hardly. The consensus from the right was that the Arab Spring was a very bad thing and that Obama was weak for not intervening militarily to stop it.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#50681 Jul 3, 2013
The BHO Legacy wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
15 Photos From the Tahrir Square Protests You'll Never See In Legacy Media.
Curiously, a massive wave of anti-Obama sentiment in Egypt has been utterly ignored by vintage media, even though the protests may be the largest in all of human history.
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2013/07/15-p...
Obama supported democracy in Egypt without taking sides.

In their first democratic election, Egyptians elected the Muslim Brotherhood.

Somehow that's Obama's fault. I guess because if he had told them not to elect the Muslim Brotherhood, they would have complied and chosen a better party.

LOL! Logical reasoning and critical thinking really aren't very popular on the right these days, are they?

LMAO!

“If you put your ear to this,”

Since: May 13

You can hear a conservative

#50682 Jul 3, 2013
I love it when these dumb tea baggers post links to other dumb tea bagger blogs but think it's news. Hilarious. It's the epitome of reasons why Fox is their only station. They'll believe anything if it's comprised of short, scary sentences. OBAMA IS A MUSLIM!!! THEY'RE COMING TO TAKE OUR GUNS!!! BENGHAZI!!! It's the only language they understand.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#50684 Jul 4, 2013
The BHO Legacy wrote:
How Many “Friends” Does the State Department Really Have?
A new State Department inspector general’s report accuses State of buying friends—or, more precisely, boosting its “likes” on Facebook to up to 2 million—by spending taxpayer dollars on Internet advertising to the tune of $630,000.
This is definitely not your father’s State Department at work.
Apparently having trouble driving traffic to its websites, in 2011, State undertook a major campaign to boost its numbers, including buying sponsored ads to increase its English-language Facebook page “likes” from 100,000 to more than 2 million and to 450,000 on Facebook’s foreign-language pages.
http://blog.heritage.org/2013/07/03/how-many-...
*yawn*

I guess this what has to pass for "scandal" now that all the other wingnut controversies have been thoroughly debunked.

LOL! Keep tryng lil fella. Someday you might find something real.

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