Texan hired to lead Hanover athletic department

One of the smallest school districts in the Hanover area has gone to one of the biggest states to find its new athletic director. Full Story
George

Berryville, VA

#21 Oct 27, 2010
Lets hope wrote:
A masters degree at 23....I say good for him. Sounds like a very well rounded, motivated individual. So what who his relatives are. He could be related to the POPE and some would find fault with that. Lets wish him well and hope that his "family ties" to the area keep him and his wife here. Seems that they are moving in the right direction at HPSD. Lets hope this is another step forward for the students and Nighthawk athletics.
If he was related to the Pope then i wouldnt want him around my kids!
Bill

Lancaster, PA

#22 Oct 27, 2010
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
And who might that be? Were you on the selection committee? Stick to making excuses for motorcycle riders that crash and burn.
If you could actually read or could at least have a grown up read the article, you would know that 53 other people applied for the position....a position that advertised for 3-5 years experience. At 23 years of age he doesn't have that experience....now lets see if you can grow up....
Confused resident

Carlisle, PA

#23 Oct 27, 2010
Interesting that the reporter wrote a very good "fluff" article on this and didn't ask the questions the taxpayers would want to know....

Also, very interesting that the son-in-law was hired at a salary of $46,383 and the prior AD (Greg Wagner) was hired at a salary of $47,000. The most interesting part is the previous AD had over the 5 years experience and Masters degree and was a certified athletic administrator. Amazing what a little research on google finds and looking at the board minutes from 9/14/09 turns up.

This info makes one wonder....
agreed

Gettysburg, PA

#24 Oct 27, 2010
@ George--completely baffled by this hire b/c he is starting his career and they were looking for experience.

@ Bill-- I hope no one's job was cut, but I think there were more than a few people that were in that same exact situation that applied.
kids first

Gettysburg, PA

#25 Oct 27, 2010
New York wrote:
I find it interesting that this "person" from New York seems to know a lot about the interview prices, like Dr. Moyer wasn't involved in the interview process. Also interesting that this person knows how "smart" Dr. Moyer is AND Mr. Flores is. And how active Flores is. Awfully strange to know sooo much about this topic??? Oh, that's right, dr. Moyer has a another daughter in college in New York City!!! Why should this not surprise me that all of that information was shared?? I wonder if anything else was shared, such as questions to from the interview???? Don't mean to sound "small townish" but it is an awfully strange situation. <quoted text>
Hey Interesting Ccenario or New York or whoever you are.....what a creeper. Do you know Dr. Moyer's blood type as well? You sound like a bitter, bitter person who I will say it again knows waayyyy to much about the Moyers.....hopefully you don't carry a firearm. Get a grip on your hostility, there are doctors who can help you with that or better yet--RUN FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD or actually talk to someone who was on the interview committee and get that facts. Oh wait.....
Truth

Gwynn Oak, MD

#26 Oct 27, 2010
Bill wrote:
<quoted text>
If you could actually read or could at least have a grown up read the article, you would know that 53 other people applied for the position....a position that advertised for 3-5 years experience. At 23 years of age he doesn't have that experience....now lets see if you can grow up....
Tell us just who was better qualified. If you can't, your post was a complete waste of time. Just flapping your gums about another topic which you have no understanding.
Lets hope

Hanover, PA

#27 Oct 27, 2010
New York wrote:
I find it interesting that this "person" from New York seems to know a lot about the interview prices, like Dr. Moyer wasn't involved in the interview process. Also interesting that this person knows how "smart" Dr. Moyer is AND Mr. Flores is. And how active Flores is. Awfully strange to know sooo much about this topic??? Oh, that's right, dr. Moyer has a another daughter in college in New York City!!! Why should this not surprise me that all of that information was shared?? I wonder if anything else was shared, such as questions to from the interview???? Don't mean to sound "small townish" but it is an awfully strange situation. <quoted text>
DUH....and if you knew anything, you would know by now that the location postings on these forums are not accurate. ARE YOU FROM BALTIMORE MARYLAND? If so then maybe you should keep your thoughts to yourself as well. And just how would you know anything about Dr. Moyer's family? Yes, I am from Hanover even though it lists my location as United States...oh wait....duh!
Bill

Lancaster, PA

#28 Oct 27, 2010
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell us just who was better qualified. If you can't, your post was a complete waste of time. Just flapping your gums about another topic which you have no understanding.
Are you on crack or just a total idiot? You haven't even posted anything about the topic at hand, so what do you feel qualifies you to say somebody else has no understanding of the topic? You made two posts so far on this thread. Both of those were for the sole purpose of attacking me...now, getting back to the topic at hand numbnutz, explain to us how you know nobody else was better qualified. And keep in mind, some of the folks that applied for the position are reading these messages and posting as well. Explain to them why their 3-5 years (or more) experience isn't enough to qualify them for the job....being that you understand the topic so much better than the rest of the world....or are you just flapping your gums about another topic which you have no understanding?
Wow

Baltimore, MD

#29 Oct 27, 2010
Not Surprised wrote:
Once again, I am sad and disappointed to see that some residents are fulfilling the small town = small minds stereotype. If you haters were interested in knowing all of the facts, you would have discovered that Dr. Moyer was not part of the interview process and had no part in hiring Mr. Flores other than approving the hire by the people who were. Like Dr. Moyer, Mr. Flores is clearly smart, motivated, and hard working-- and let's face it, Hanover School District needs these people more than almost any other school district in the area. The only reason this hire is being questioned is because of his relation to Dr. Moyer; if he were just a good friend, this would not be an issue. The fact is Mr. Flores was prepared for the interview, suited for the job, and liked by everyone interviewing him. How about the haters start directing some of their obviously wasted energy on a hobby instead of expressing their ignorant opinions to informed residents on a public forum?
Obviously you are either a employee of HPSD or very close to the info source? Professionally if you are an employee, you should be reprimanded for comments in a public forum. And if your close to the info, you just made the new hire and his family look like an ASS to the fine taxpayers of HSPD.
Amazed

Carlisle, PA

#30 Oct 27, 2010
kids first wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Interesting Ccenario or New York or whoever you are.....what a creeper. Do you know Dr. Moyer's blood type as well? You sound like a bitter, bitter person who I will say it again knows waayyyy to much about the Moyers.....hopefully you don't carry a firearm. Get a grip on your hostility, there are doctors who can help you with that or better yet--RUN FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD or actually talk to someone who was on the interview committee and get that facts. Oh wait.....
Interesting how the defenders of this decision are not responding with facts to back up their viewpoint, but rather personal attacks trying to discredit valid questions to be asked of the process of this decision. Sorry, but there is no hostility evident to me in the posts. On the other hand, some are getting very defensive and resorting to personal attacks....and the truth is being exposed. Makes me continue to wonder and more questions come to mind.
Not Surprised

New York, NY

#31 Oct 27, 2010
New York wrote:
I find it interesting that this "person" from New York seems to know a lot about the interview prices, like Dr. Moyer wasn't involved in the interview process. Also interesting that this person knows how "smart" Dr. Moyer is AND Mr. Flores is. And how active Flores is. Awfully strange to know sooo much about this topic??? Oh, that's right, dr. Moyer has a another daughter in college in New York City!!! Why should this not surprise me that all of that information was shared?? I wonder if anything else was shared, such as questions to from the interview???? Don't mean to sound "small townish" but it is an awfully strange situation. <quoted text>
First of all, kudos to you for hiding behind a computer screen and trying to destroy a good man's reputation and the beginning of another's career, all while trying to identify who is making what comment. That takes a lot of guts, and I am impressed. Secondly, before you start accusing people of shady behavior, you should probably take a basic grammar and spelling course, so you can at least sound intelligent while making yourself look like a stalker. Thirdly, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I am merely a friend of the family and not related to them in any way. The information I shared was not vital to anybody's confidentiality, and I thought people would be relieved to know that Dr. Moyer wasn't involved in the interview process. Also, you do not have to be a genius to talk to someone and figure out that they are smart. I never mentioned how active Mr. Flores is, but I know that he and Dr. Moyer are both qualified for the jobs they have, and the school board would not have hired them if they weren't. I would like to know how you know so much information about the Moyers... Looks like you should be accused of suspicious behavior and "strange situations."
Not Surprised

New York, NY

#32 Oct 27, 2010
Amazed wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting how the defenders of this decision are not responding with facts to back up their viewpoint, but rather personal attacks trying to discredit valid questions to be asked of the process of this decision. Sorry, but there is no hostility evident to me in the posts. On the other hand, some are getting very defensive and resorting to personal attacks....and the truth is being exposed. Makes me continue to wonder and more questions come to mind.
The defenders are defending a personal attack on Dr. Moyer and Mr. Flores. What valid question did anyone ask? The only questions I've seen are ridiculous accusations that the Hanover school board hired Mr. Flores solely because he is Dr. Moyer's son in law. I would suggest you get your "valid questions" answered at the next school board meeting... Then please let me know what "truth" is being exposed.
Amazed

Carlisle, PA

#33 Oct 27, 2010
Not Surprised wrote:
<quoted text>
The defenders are defending a personal attack on Dr. Moyer and Mr. Flores. What valid question did anyone ask? The only questions I've seen are ridiculous accusations that the Hanover school board hired Mr. Flores solely because he is Dr. Moyer's son in law. I would suggest you get your "valid questions" answered at the next school board meeting... Then please let me know what "truth" is being exposed.
I am not sure what fantasy land you are in, but it is interesting that the "defenders" perceive these questions as personal attacks. These are not accusations, but rather perfectly valid questions that none of the defenders have yet to answer regarding Mr. Flores qualifications for the position. Instead, the "defenders" are accusing others, who are providing information and asking questions, as hostile and uneducated. I suppose when you are "painted into a corner" and unable to defend your position with actual facts, you resort to these personal attacks and avoid answering the question everyone wants answered. How is Mr. Flores uniquely qualified over 53 other applicants for this AD position? They wanted 3 to 5 years of experience and there were candidates with this experience or more, according to earlier posts, so what unique qualifications makes up for this lack of experience in athletic administration by Mr. Flores? As a taxpaying resident, what justifies bringing in Mr. Flores at a salary that is $700 less than the previous AD, who had numerous more qualifications?

I agree that everyone needs to "begin their career", but technically he had just begun his career as a history teacher down in Texas. Most teachers gain experience gradually and move up into administration levels after some years "under their belt". No one is leveling personal attacks at Dr. Moyer or Mr. Flores, but until proven otherwise, this appears to be a case of nepotism. People are trying to understand where their tax money is going and how he earned this position over 53 other candidates? According to this article and the posts, we are still trying to understand how he earned the position with his lack of qualifications. You can continue to live in your fantasy land and say he is qualified and level insults at others or you can arrive in the real world where people work for years to earn their positions and work hard to earn their tax money that the school district spends. Thus, this is why we ask questions and debate.
Hanover Mom

Fayetteville, PA

#34 Oct 27, 2010
To those that would post disparaging comments about Dr. Moyer or Mr. Flores...you obviously do not know either men. I have lived in Hanover all of my life and I remember a time when Hanover School District was on top...academically, in sports, in band, etc. Unfortunately over time, this did not continue to be the case...the school district fell far from grace. Finally, we have a superintendant that truly cares about the school and every child in it. The first time I ever met Dr. Moyer, I was struck by the passion and excitement he expressed when talking about his work, his school and his "kids" (within the school district). Not many people can say thay have such passion for what they do. Not only does Dr. Moyer genuinely care about HPSD, but he goes way beyond the call of duty. When most of you are home enjoying dinner with your family, Dr. Moyer is still at work...oftentimes till very late into the evening. Additionally, he makes every effort to attend as many school events as he possibly can. When it came to this interview process, he immediately removed himself from the picture so as to erase any possible hint of impropriety. Also, Mr. Flores was not in NEED of a job...he actually gave up a much higher paying position to come here. Also, he had the required "urban school district" experience which HPSD is now considered (I'm sure most people commenting here don't realize that.). If Mr. Flores can be successful in a school in one of the poorest and most difficult areas of Texas, I'm sure he has the experience necessary to guide our children here. What we need is longevity and youthful energy in this position. If we can find that along with the necessary experience and education, we should consider ourselves very lucky. And...for those who are wondering if I'm related in some way to the Moyers or Floreses...no, I am not...but I am a parent who cares about HPSD and I am grateful for what Dr. Moyer brings to our community and excited about the possibilities that Mr. Flores will present as well.
Hanover Mom

Fayetteville, PA

#35 Oct 27, 2010
Hello wrote:
That answers my question as to how a 23 year old trombonist would be hired to fill an athletic director's position over 53 other candidates.
For your information, this "trombonist" made it to the "States" level...do you have any idea how incredibly difficult that is???!!!(Especially in a state the size of Texas?!) Obviously not! HPSD is trying to bring back their music programs...ones that were top notch at one time. They NEED someone who knows music!
Hanover Mom

Fayetteville, PA

#36 Oct 27, 2010
Oh, sorry...I suppose I better clarify...from what I have heard of this position, Mr. Flores will be working with not only the athletic programs but other programs, as well. Just thought I should clear that up in case you thought it was just about the sports. His primary responsibilities may lie with athletics, but he'll be getting involved in other areas, too.
facts seeker

Carlisle, PA

#37 Oct 27, 2010
I am afraid you are all missing the point. This is not a matter of how nice, intelligent, educated, or excellent at playing the trombone Mr. Flores is; people are clearly expressing their concerns because those credentials alone do NOT qualify him for the job.
Show us how he met the qualifications of 3-5 years experience in athletics and we can all drop the issue. Until then, I think this is a matter that needs to be seriously considered.
Knows Music

Hanover, PA

#38 Oct 27, 2010
I do know that the job does include other activities besides athletics. However, I also know it doesn't involve directing the band and teaching music lessons. He does however have to get the bus lined up to get them to football games and band competitions. But the band director and music teachers do the teaching. I congratulate Mr. Flores for being a tremendous trombonist, however that doesn't exactly give him the experience to deal with a very large budget for athletics, handling disgruntled parents, searching for and hiring coaches, keeping an inventory of supplies, etc...... the list goes on. That is where I am confused about his experience. Coaching 1-2 years of junior high football and helping with soccer and track is hardly enough experience. I would be interested to hear about the paper work that he had to deal with as a 7th and 8th grade track and football coach that prepared him so well? I feel badly that this young man is stepping into this situation because he very well may do a fabulous job and I hope he does. However, I am saddened for the other candidates that had so much more experience to offer Hanover, and as it seems were basically a part of the process with no real chance of getting the position. Dr. Moyer is claimed to have not been part of the process, and took himself out of the interviewing, and supposedly NOBODY knew his relation to this candidate??? Did the other people not question why Dr. Moyer wasn't involved in the hiring of such a vital position?? These are the things that make this seem very shady.
Best wishes to Mr. Flores and the athletic AND band departments.
Amazed

Carlisle, PA

#39 Oct 28, 2010
Hanover Mom wrote:
To those that would post disparaging comments about Dr. Moyer or Mr. Flores...you obviously do not know either men. I have lived in Hanover all of my life and I remember a time when Hanover School District was on top...academically, in sports, in band, etc. Unfortunately over time, this did not continue to be the case...the school district fell far from grace. Finally, we have a superintendant that truly cares about the school and every child in it. The first time I ever met Dr. Moyer, I was struck by the passion and excitement he expressed when talking about his work, his school and his "kids" (within the school district). Not many people can say thay have such passion for what they do. Not only does Dr. Moyer genuinely care about HPSD, but he goes way beyond the call of duty. When most of you are home enjoying dinner with your family, Dr. Moyer is still at work...oftentimes till very late into the evening. Additionally, he makes every effort to attend as many school events as he possibly can. When it came to this interview process, he immediately removed himself from the picture so as to erase any possible hint of impropriety. Also, Mr. Flores was not in NEED of a job...he actually gave up a much higher paying position to come here. Also, he had the required "urban school district" experience which HPSD is now considered (I'm sure most people commenting here don't realize that.). If Mr. Flores can be successful in a school in one of the poorest and most difficult areas of Texas, I'm sure he has the experience necessary to guide our children here. What we need is longevity and youthful energy in this position. If we can find that along with the necessary experience and education, we should consider ourselves very lucky. And...for those who are wondering if I'm related in some way to the Moyers or Floreses...no, I am not...but I am a parent who cares about HPSD and I am grateful for what Dr. Moyer brings to our community and excited about the possibilities that Mr. Flores will present as well.
First off, no one is writing "disparaging remarks" about either men. I do find it interesting that you continue on saying how great of a man Dr. Moyer is and trying to use that as justification for Mr. Flores lack of experience. Last time I checked, the questions are being asked about Mr. Flores qualifications and NOT Dr. Moyer. Dr. Moyer was very much qualified when he was hired and has been doing good work in the district since he arrived. Removing himself from the interview process was necessary, but why was he hired in at such a high salary for his lack of qualifications and isn't his position going to be a direct report to the superintendent? Does the district not have an anti-nepotism policy? Also, why was Mr. Flores elusive in his answer in the news story in saying his wife has family in Gettysburg? If everything regarding this process and decision was "above board", not "shady", and completely ethical, then why were they not upfront in the news story answers and why was there no mention of this hire on agenda for board meeting?

Regarding him taking a "pay cut" for this job, looking on the Waco ISD website, you can see the teacher pay scale. According to that, he would of had 14 years experience ($46400) to be able to claim a pay cut (of $37) from previous school district, so he started teaching at the age of 9 years old?

Also, "Hanover Mom", it is interesting that you seem to know so much about his qualifications (aka you know he took pay cut, etc.)? Are you a family friend too, HPSD employee or board member?
For the better

Lubbock, TX

#40 Oct 28, 2010
Research what it takes to run an Athletic Department or even coach a team in any school district in Texas and you'll find that Mr. Flores' 2 years of experience is probably more than equal to the 3 plus years experience needed to qualify for the job in a small town such as Hanover, PA. Not only does he have experience teaching and coaching in Waco, he is also from Southlake, TX which has one of the best Athletic Departments in the entire state of Texas. You should all be very happy and proud to have someone like Mr. Flores come to your district who I guarantee will make a positive difference in the lives of all the children there. Have a little more faith in the people that were involved in the hiring process, I don't believe they would choose a candidate for an important position based on who his family is, but rather who they felt was most qualified out of the entire pool of applicants.

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