Snyder's of Hanover
Rob In Cville

Charlottesville, VA

#5287 Apr 11, 2014
Dce wrote:
Somebody needs to get rob in cville a snickers
Ok, Smartass!! Is it so funny that I tore my MCL? Have two blood clots in my leg? Lost my route and all my equity because I was injured on the job?? I can't get surgery until the clots are gone because I could die on the table and have no money coming in.

Let me give you a word of advice, take the Snickers and shove it up the smartest part of your body. To be so cavalier when someone has become disabled, on the job, and was left hanging by Snyder's, well that makes you as bad as them. Kharma is a bitch my friend, let me know when you have tasted yours!!

By the way, Snyder's decided to replace me with another IBO, which was fine. However, they are allowing him to run the route WITHOUT a route payment!! Would you like to pay $280 a week for 2 1/2 years, lose all that money and then have someone get your job for free?? Is that not discrimination??
Rob In Cville

Charlottesville, VA

#5288 Apr 11, 2014
Just an FYI to the guys who think this is so great and fair...Charlottesville has lost all but three IBO's over the years due to impossible "pay system". The current trend though is now to hire replacement "IBO's" and have them run the route WITHOUT a loan payment. They take over the routes without the 10 year loan. SL is finding more and more ways to dick over each of you. In addition, they have seven day terms, not two or three.
Tattooed pretzel

Marietta, OH

#5289 Apr 11, 2014
ronald shootsblancs wrote:
<quoted text>
The way S-L structured this type of business isn't about gripes from you and S-L changes it. S-L gives potential IBO's to purchase a route following the rules we placed. It's your decision to read and sign the contract. Last time I've looked no where does the contract state after signing when an IBO whines and complains S-L adheres to them. S-L writes the rules and regulations, you follow them. That's where the take it or leave it attitude is. If you buy a house, then complain things aren't right, should the seller cater to you? Each and everyone of you should've done your due diligence before signing. I came from being an IBO to mgmt. The decrease in commission all goes to advertising. I read some of you were complaining about that also. If you don't think a company needs advertising then you are where you need to be. You'll never understand the full scale of a business.
Again, does S-L feel bad for the few people that couldn't make it work? Absolutely. But then again S-L did not make then sign on the dotted line. S-L feels like we put a great line of products out there for all of you to make lots of money. Whether it be large or small accounts. There are alot of empty stores out there for the grabbing. Alot of you only service the large accounts. Again, your choice, your problem. The money spent for ads add up. We are spending money to make you money, but yet alot of you refuse to fulfill your end of the contract by representing the product in the accounts.
Then there are some of you who still thinks you are working for a company, rather than thinking like a business owner. If I was in charge of who caould purchase routes I would make sure they are fit to be business owners and not worker bees. S-L doesn't owe any IBO anything. The routes are priced accordingly to what thew market is out there. If you have gripes then make an appointment with your mgmt at your location. They will all listen to you. But do not come in and make it a bitchfest. That's uncalled for and it's unprofessional.
So to conclude, we are always willing to work with you all. I for one, realize a great IBO is what will drive this company to grow. Like any growing company there are kinks along the way. You can be part of the solution, or part of the problem. The choice is yours..........
really have to agree with what your saying. As much as I'd like to rip into someone's ass about feeling blindsided by the settlement structure, I can not. I do however know that things could be better. Maybe one day they will be maybe they won't. I'm not a fortune teller. Your a zone manager right? I'd like to know which zone, you speak like someone I'm familiar with. I would ask that if you are indeed a zone level manager that you allow the time to hear from individuals in your zone. Not your district managers but the ibos themselves, you will learn more from them than you can from a spreadsheet or computer screen. Those tools don't show you struggles we face. I'm good at what I do and have been fairly successful in my territory, but the struggles and issues I have don't fill a box in an excel spreadsheet.
Rob in Cville

Charlottesville, VA

#5290 Apr 11, 2014
Wharfs for cape cod wrote:
Rob - part of all this is not working any harder than the big boys at Snyders. Sorry about your injury. That's tough. Get healed up and apply at Frito or someplace else. There is no question this is one sided but they knew what they were doing. I can't believe their sales are up. 12% decrease in cracker sales in our region. The only thing up is partner brands. What's that tell you. We need more money - hey Carl, CAN YOU HEAR US NOW????
Wharf...thanks for the kind words. I don't know who this DC guy is, but he's pissing me off. Yeah if you get injured on your own business, you would get paid. However, if it was a real "business", I would have employees and still an income. Yes disability insurance is available, but it is very, very expensive. I just got medical insurance for the first time in years. This is about one sided as you can get. How can there be over 5000 posts of complaints that are unwarranted?
As far as their sales being down, they have themselves to blame. Everyone here is so scared to buy anything in case they can't sell it. If you get stuck with something, you don't get paid.
Lastly, now the company is GIVING routes to people. They do have to pay their expenses, but they aren't being charged for the route via weekly payments. Also, they get seven day terms, not two or three. In addition, we have hired temps who are on salary here. They can sell $1 a week and get paid the same as $10000 in sales.
I hate that I am injured three months after the fact, but I am glad to get a repreve and leave this slave driving, hypocritical company. I'm considering it to be a divorce.
Good luck to you. Just know that while they are smiling at you, they have a knife waiting to be put in your back.
FORBES

Rochester, NY

#5291 Apr 12, 2014
ronald shootsblancs wrote:
<quoted text>
The way S-L structured this type of business isn't about gripes from you and S-L changes it. S-L gives potential IBO's to purchase a route following the rules we placed. It's your decision to read and sign the contract. Last time I've looked no where does the contract state after signing when an IBO whines and complains S-L adheres to them. S-L writes the rules and regulations, you follow them. That's where the take it or leave it attitude is. If you buy a house, then complain things aren't right, should the seller cater to you? Each and everyone of you should've done your due diligence before signing. I came from being an IBO to mgmt. The decrease in commission all goes to advertising. I read some of you were complaining about that also. If you don't think a company needs advertising then you are where you need to be. You'll never understand the full scale of a business.
Again, does S-L feel bad for the few people that couldn't make it work? Absolutely. But then again S-L did not make then sign on the dotted line. S-L feels like we put a great line of products out there for all of you to make lots of money. Whether it be large or small accounts. There are alot of empty stores out there for the grabbing. Alot of you only service the large accounts. Again, your choice, your problem. The money spent for ads add up. We are spending money to make you money, but yet alot of you refuse to fulfill your end of the contract by representing the product in the accounts.
Then there are some of you who still thinks you are working for a company, rather than thinking like a business owner. If I was in charge of who caould purchase routes I would make sure they are fit to be business owners and not worker bees. S-L doesn't owe any IBO anything. The routes are priced accordingly to what thew market is out there. If you have gripes then make an appointment with your mgmt at your location. They will all listen to you. But do not come in and make it a bitchfest. That's uncalled for and it's unprofessional.
So to conclude, we are always willing to work with you all. I for one, realize a great IBO is what will drive this company to grow. Like any growing company there are kinks along the way. You can be part of the solution, or part of the problem. The choice is yours..........
Ronald,
It's all about money . The IBO's ARE being squeezed by SL. Explain to me about PA's . Why does SL only give us back 81% when the partner brands give SL 100%? For advertising ? Or for SL to grab more money? Again, all about money for SL. When they went to equity routes 5 years ago how many millions did they take in? Three thousand routes at an average of 70,000 each? You do the math . So stop with "it's for advertising".
Personally I do not expect SL to cover my route when I want or need time off, I don't expect them to cover my health insurance or disability insurance or truck expenses . What I do expect is for SL to treat me as a business owner . Give me a fair percentage and don't treat me as an employee! Do not force product on the IBO's , do not tell us we have to do this or that. When you do that is when the IBO gets pissed and confused regarding where he stands.
Tell me Ronald , how would you feel if every now and then SL takes this or that from your paycheck? That is what they are constantly doing to us. Just give us a full 20% profit margin! It's that simple. Give us the full PA back ! SL should not make money on promo allowances. Unfair and unethical
ronald shootsblanc

Sharon, MA

#5292 Apr 12, 2014
Rob in Scottsville, VA

Yes I do get get paid bi-weekly. You seem to blame me for your demise. Like I made you sign on the dotted line. You say if you didn't sign you'd lose your job. If you were a fomer lance company person then there was unemployment to collect while you found another job. If you were a fomer Snyders rep you would've received a hansome offer for your route. I've stated previously I was an IBO before I worked my way up to a ZM because of the attractive benifits. For me, that was a decision I made. You decided to sign, but yet you make it sound like it's my fault.
I have the #1 warehouse in the country. It's run the way S-L wants it to run. I'm only here because all the negative banter against S-L. You all keep thinking it's S-L fault for all of YOU signing the so called one way contract. If every other route sales company pays 20% commission and you signed here for less than what does that make you? A SMART BUSINESSMAN?
There are pressures that none of you IBO's know about that all mgmt goes through. The difference is we don't form a forum to air out our problems. The northeast is thriving, along with other regions of the country. I keep reiterating that potentional buyers should do their due diligence before purchasing a route. Certain products sell better in certain areas. "That's a no brainer" some would say, but yet I read all the complaints about this product doesn't do good here or that product sucks. Would the answer be to let all you IBO's do what you want to? next time S-L has a meeting with corporate accounts you should sit in and convice the corporate heads that your area should carry what you want, not what coporate wants on their shelves. Everyone seems to always talk a great game when they're on the outside looking in.
Again, with the PA's and commission decreases prior to the merger. How much does ads cost for Stop & Shop for example? S-L has to buy 4 minimum every year. So when S-L spends all this money for ads everywhere and you IBO's don't support the ads we have a problem with that. So it works both ways. One hand washes the other. I've always had an open door policy here at my location. I do listen to gripes, some good, most negative. I always promise to listen, but this world isn't perfect. Every potential IBO sees an opportunity to so call own a business. Who does the paperwork? Who has a compliance department to make sure things are carried out the way it should be. Who has a payroll dept, an HR dept, a DN force to be the buffer between IBO and mgmt, millions in expenses, and stock holders to keep happy? So to scale it down so you can understand you own a business, though most of you are owner and worker. S-L's ownership is just on a larger scale, except there are thousands of people to manage. You manage yourself, or another person working for you. So to say you have gripes about certain things S-L has gripes with 3000 IBO's at times, along with thousands of office people.
Like I've said before I'm not here to go back and forth with you. I can only speak for my area and IBO's. Are all of them happpy? No. Are things perfect? No. Do some IBO's hate me and want to do bodily harm to me? Probably. But remember this first. This warehouse was NOT #1 when I first took over..........
Wharfs for cape cod

Newville, PA

#5293 Apr 12, 2014
Ronald , answer me this. Why did Carl Lee, Singer, and Marty lie at a meeting about 20%. The lies started there and have not ended. When that is made right this forum would disappear. This forum is bringing light to the lies that were told. Plain and simple. Were you part of these lies. Or will you tell me I was hearing things at that meeting. Sorry, I wrote some of these things down word for word. You can continue to try to baffle others with your BS but until you address this issue this board will continue to exist because WE DONT TRUST YOU! Do you hear us now??
20 years as a IBO

Lawrenceville, GA

#5294 Apr 13, 2014
Ronald, if you were a IBO then you should understand the gripes. You talk about signing the dotted line a lot. Lets see, I signed the dotted line where we were promised C2 credit for damages and rejects in the box from the depot. We are told NO C2 by our warehouse manager even though its stated on that contract we signed on the dotted line. The same dotted linewe signed that stated SL would do everything in there power to keep us supplied with product. Then told during the holidays by our warehouse manager that SL told him to sell out and not reorder product until the first of the year to keep the warehouse low on product so they wouldn't have to pay as much in taxes. 90% of the IBO's here went Christmas week without a check. Merry Christmas screw over thanks to SL.
I could and can cont to put up example after example of how we are daily screwed over by SL on all levels from the warehouse to upper management.
A simple solution would fix the broken partnership between us. Pay us the industry standard of 20%, put us on the same pay system as Pepperidge so we have the product to serve our stores correctly and come up with a different PA scale.
In return, we will push displays when on promo, keep stores serviced and full and grow this company to the 3 billion we all want.
Keep it the same and IBO will sell truck down to ensure a weekly check, no displays while on promo to keep our PA costs down, miss stops because we have to make sure there is a profit to drive out to service a store that really could wait.
Its got to stop being only in the company best interest. Its a two way road. Unhappy IBOs is a knife in the heart of every company. You guys know it or you wouldn't be here. Its disease killing this company. SL has the cure. Treat us and make this company a power house it can be.
FORBES

Schenectady, NY

#5295 Apr 13, 2014
20 years as a IBO wrote:
Ronald, if you were a IBO then you should understand the gripes. You talk about signing the dotted line a lot. Lets see, I signed the dotted line where we were promised C2 credit for damages and rejects in the box from the depot. We are told NO C2 by our warehouse manager even though its stated on that contract we signed on the dotted line. The same dotted linewe signed that stated SL would do everything in there power to keep us supplied with product. Then told during the holidays by our warehouse manager that SL told him to sell out and not reorder product until the first of the year to keep the warehouse low on product so they wouldn't have to pay as much in taxes. 90% of the IBO's here went Christmas week without a check. Merry Christmas screw over thanks to SL.
I could and can cont to put up example after example of how we are daily screwed over by SL on all levels from the warehouse to upper management.
A simple solution would fix the broken partnership between us. Pay us the industry standard of 20%, put us on the same pay system as Pepperidge so we have the product to serve our stores correctly and come up with a different PA scale.
In return, we will push displays when on promo, keep stores serviced and full and grow this company to the 3 billion we all want.
Keep it the same and IBO will sell truck down to ensure a weekly check, no displays while on promo to keep our PA costs down, miss stops because we have to make sure there is a profit to drive out to service a store that really could wait.
Its got to stop being only in the company best interest. Its a two way road. Unhappy IBOs is a knife in the heart of every company. You guys know it or you wouldn't be here. Its disease killing this company. SL has the cure. Treat us and make this company a power house it can be.
20 years, amen to you! Because of SL screwed up
profit structure I am now selling down to almost nothing each week just to not owe them. This in turn not only hurts me but also SL. But are they concerned? Yes, but their answer is to get out if you don't like it. But on the other side of their collective mouths they tell you sell sell sell, which is great but it isn't that easy!. Here's a suggestion for all you SL management people . FIX THE PROFIT STRUCTURE FOR THE IBO!! Paying us 20% is not that outrageous, it's the industry standard! Why do you think Pepperidge IBO's don't complain? Because they are treated as partners not employees!
And "Ronald" , you make it sound as if the only way SL is to make money is to steal the PA from the IBO. Does the company not make a profit on the product that they sell ?? We also dish out 35.00 a week to help with the office help and HH support, so get off of your high horse and tell it like it is. No more BS, we hear it each and every day from management. You come out here when it's 10 degrees or 90 degrees , during a snowstorm or any other type of weather , then tell me I'm complaint to much. You sit on your ass collecting your six figure paycheck while we are the ones that drive the success of this company. Get that through your thick skull
Wharfs for cape cod

Onancock, VA

#5296 Apr 13, 2014
20 years is 100% on point! Well said! My gut says Ronald will not have the courage to answer you because he simply does not have answers. They are happy with the way things are because they are making money at unprecedented levels. Carl Lee and the guys making 500k plus so why should they worry, right Ronald???
FORBES

Schenectady, NY

#5297 Apr 13, 2014
ronald shootsblanc wrote:
Rob in Scottsville, VA
Yes I do get get paid bi-weekly. You seem to blame me for your demise. Like I made you sign on the dotted line. You say if you didn't sign you'd lose your job. If you were a fomer lance company person then there was unemployment to collect while you found another job. If you were a fomer Snyders rep you would've received a hansome offer for your route. I've stated previously I was an IBO before I worked my way up to a ZM because of the attractive benifits. For me, that was a decision I made. You decided to sign, but yet you make it sound like it's my fault.
I have the #1 warehouse in the country. It's run the way S-L wants it to run. I'm only here because all the negative banter against S-L. You all keep thinking it's S-L fault for all of YOU signing the so called one way contract. If every other route sales company pays 20% commission and you signed here for less than what does that make you? A SMART BUSINESSMAN?
There are pressures that none of you IBO's know about that all mgmt goes through. The difference is we don't form a forum to air out our problems. The northeast is thriving, along with other regions of the country. I keep reiterating that potentional buyers should do their due diligence before purchasing a route. Certain products sell better in certain areas. "That's a no brainer" some would say, but yet I read all the complaints about this product doesn't do good here or that product sucks. Would the answer be to let all you IBO's do what you want to? next time S-L has a meeting with corporate accounts you should sit in and convice the corporate heads that your area should carry what you want, not what coporate wants on their shelves. Everyone seems to always talk a great game when they're on the outside looking in.
Again, with the PA's and commission decreases prior to the merger. How much does ads cost for Stop & Shop for example? S-L has to buy 4 minimum every year. So when S-L spends all this money for ads everywhere and you IBO's don't support the ads we have a problem with that. So it works both ways. One hand washes the other. I've always had an open door policy here at my location. I do listen to gripes, some good, most negative. I always promise to listen, but this world isn't perfect. Every potential IBO sees an opportunity to so call own a business. Who does the paperwork? Who has a compliance department to make sure things are carried out the way it should be. Who has a payroll dept, an HR dept, a DN force to be the buffer between IBO and mgmt, millions in expenses, and stock holders to keep happy? So to scale it down so you can understand you own a business, though most of you are owner and worker. S-L's ownership is just on a larger scale, except there are thousands of people to manage. You manage yourself, or another person working for you. So to say you have gripes about certain things S-L has gripes with 3000 IBO's at times, along with thousands of office people.
Like I've said before I'm not here to go back and forth with you. I can only speak for my area and IBO's. Are all of them happpy? No. Are things perfect? No. Do some IBO's hate me and want to do bodily harm to me? Probably. But remember this first. This warehouse was NOT #1 when I first took over..........
And we don't need an education on how a business is run.WE DO IT EVERYDAY
Fredo

Lutz, FL

#5298 Apr 13, 2014
Well, I was considering purchasing a route in the Fl region. A well known company, with what I consider a good group of products. I don't seriously see that happening now. If there was one grievance out of ten, I could attribute that to; not everyone is going to be happy. With the amount I see on this site, I figure everyone can't be crazy. Looks as if I'll be looking elsewhere. Too bad. I really thought this might be a good opportunity.
Go Friars

Saint Petersburg, FL

#5299 Apr 13, 2014
Fredo wrote:
Well, I was considering purchasing a route in the Fl region. A well known company, with what I consider a good group of products. I don't seriously see that happening now. If there was one grievance out of ten, I could attribute that to; not everyone is going to be happy. With the amount I see on this site, I figure everyone can't be crazy. Looks as if I'll be looking elsewhere. Too bad. I really thought this might be a good opportunity.
Talk to me Fredo. I haven't worked for SL for almost 3 years but i can answer any questions you might have about IBO's in the area. SL is bad but if you work for Flowers or Bimbo you'll only make about 12-14%. Pepperidge Farm is the best deal. 20% on everything including BOGO's. There is a slight PA if you have a Wal Mart but you'll still come out making 18-19%.
Pastor john

Hurricane, WV

#5300 Apr 13, 2014
I remember my first fight in school, a boy just kept on bullying me, everyday he kept coming, I would almost cry when I saw him coming. One day I met him in the bathroom at school, and I took my part! I kept swinging, and punching until I was sure he wasn't going to come back!! Guess what he didn't, he ran out like the punk he was!! Sl is going to keep pushing the ibos until we start to really fight back, but when we do instead of fixing things, sl will have to pay maybe millions to get us to stop swinging!! You can fix the problems now or pay big later!!
No shelf space

Portland, OR

#5301 Apr 14, 2014
Hey Ronald, you guys are doing a horrible job competing with Frito Lay. My Walmart and Target both got reset lately and I lost space in both. Frito Lay has 80 percent of the shelf space and we get whats leftover. The new products are good, but whats the point of adding new products if you don't have the space for them let alone the older products?? Then, there's the problem with my Supervalu stores. Maybe it's just my imagination, but you guys NEVER, NEVER have any hot deals for holidays or big sporting event weeks etc. You guys only have the good prices the week after. Oh thanks! I'm sure people are gonna buy snacks the week AFTER the Super Bowl. HA. Wake me up when you guys plan on competing with Frito Lay. Then I'll give a crap what you have to say!
FORBES

Albany, NY

#5302 Apr 14, 2014
No shelf space wrote:
Hey Ronald, you guys are doing a horrible job competing with Frito Lay. My Walmart and Target both got reset lately and I lost space in both. Frito Lay has 80 percent of the shelf space and we get whats leftover. The new products are good, but whats the point of adding new products if you don't have the space for them let alone the older products?? Then, there's the problem with my Supervalu stores. Maybe it's just my imagination, but you guys NEVER, NEVER have any hot deals for holidays or big sporting event weeks etc. You guys only have the good prices the week after. Oh thanks! I'm sure people are gonna buy snacks the week AFTER the Super Bowl. HA. Wake me up when you guys plan on competing with Frito Lay. Then I'll give a crap what you have to say!
Well said , but again, this will only fall on deaf ears. Or they will tell you to sell, something that is sounding better and better
Wharfs for cape cod

Onancock, VA

#5303 Apr 14, 2014
Have you all noticed Ronald has disappeared. Like I said, lots of opinions but no answers. Another loser in our team of losers in management. Snap!
FORBES

United States

#5304 Apr 14, 2014
Wharfs for cape cod wrote:
Have you all noticed Ronald has disappeared. Like I said, lots of opinions but no answers. Another loser in our team of losers in management. Snap!
Wharfs ... Very true , it's amazing how "Ronald" just disappeared once we had questions and he had zero answers !
Same old BS! Nothing productive comes out of management other then to look for ways to screw us over or try and get rid of the IBO's that question their methods. Then they become aggressive . Management started this us against them and management can fix it . The question is will they ?
All the money they save on truck expenses , and benefits that would be paid to "employees" and yet they still want more from us.. Incredible

Since: Mar 13

Location hidden

#5305 Apr 14, 2014
I came in two years from outside the industry. I have run my own company before and understand business. i read and understood the contract and signed. The issue I have is that SL does NOT follow the contract and I was mislead (probably intentionally) about many things. The PA's I understand and accept but I was told promo was when something was on a sale or special. Walmart selling for the same price everyday is not a sale or special. Therefore 100% of what we sell Walmart has a PA with it, very misleading from what I was told. I was told I was buying an area. Now I am told no, you bought accounts. I was told I had exclusive rights to the accounts I bought but yet most of my C stores have other distributors bring in SL products. Legal tells me since they are a slightly different size, it is ok. I was told SL would have help available for me to hire to cover for me when necessary (they did for three months when I started) but got rid of them. I was told cross docks I would not have to handle but yet, it seems I spend more time dealing with them than I do product I bring in myself. I hope those of you that seem to think that since we "signed" that we should just deal with it, can see a pattern to how SL does business.

Since: Mar 13

Location hidden

#5306 Apr 14, 2014
Has anyone heard if we are getting credit towards the incentive program for all the crossdocks? If so has anyone seen the credit yet?

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