Snyder's of Hanover

Since: Jun 13

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#4949 Dec 7, 2013
They tell us that we are the number 2 salty snack distributor but they are micro managing everything that it's hurting business. They need to just focus on SNyders-Lance lines and get us the product we need before acquiring another company that we wouldn't get to sell too. Whether its a bin or warehouse they have serious stock problems. I consistently cut 10-15 cases a wk and it just gets accepted to say we cant be perfect.
Shorty

United States

#4950 Dec 7, 2013
snackfood guru wrote:
when selling a part of your route back to SNL
do you need to do a inventory of product? do you sell back whole rt firstto SNL
inventory has nothing to do with selling a couple of stops off ..
whoisthis

Canandaigua, NY

#4951 Dec 7, 2013
BfloPretzKing wrote:
They tell us that we are the number 2 salty snack distributor but they are micro managing everything that it's hurting business. They need to just focus on SNyders-Lance lines and get us the product we need before acquiring another company that we wouldn't get to sell too. Whether its a bin or warehouse they have serious stock problems. I consistently cut 10-15 cases a wk and it just gets accepted to say we cant be perfect.
Must be bonus time for dm's,, one dm wants to have meetings with each individual IBO to go over ways to increase business. The only reason they take any interest in IBO's is to fatten their bonuses....give the bonus to the people who are really busting their asses...the IBO. And do not come back with "they have a bonus system in place" That's a bogus system, not bonus....and anyone that thinks otherwise is a damn fool....
just trying to get by

Stone Mountain, GA

#4952 Dec 8, 2013
End of 4th quarter and from what I hear the company sales are down across the board. If this conts, expect some changes. And from experience changes always mean they are planning to screw us over somehow.
Northeast Snackman

Sharon, MA

#4953 Dec 8, 2013
Along with many of the verterans on here, I've been on this thread for a long time. I've had to hold back on so many comments about the people who did not do their due diligence before they all got into this business. All the complaining about S-L not giving out bonuses or doing anything to help YOUR business. You can't have it both ways. Are you a company person or a business owner?

From my understanding, corporate company people receive bonuses as incentives to go above and beyond quotas. As a so called IBO you really need INCENTIVE to build your so called business? S_L is offereing the bonus program for the people who don't think like IBO's and are trying to generate more sales so they can keep their superiors happy.

Like many have said before, the people who didn't do their due diligence research before purchasing a route. And the ones who have read some/all of the posts on here and still purchased a route, you're a moron. Snyders and Lance were much better as separate companies. Lance people say Snyder's was a bad deal and vice versa. I was on the Snyders side. All I know is we were constantly growing making 20% commission. Things were far from perfect. There was alot of pushing back and forth with the micromanaging. It didn't work cause the people I was around treated their business like owners.

After the merger, S-L sold to a bunch of inexperienced people who scraped up money to purchase a dead territory. The newbies don't know the product line, price, and demografic of sales. What makes you think if you carry a highend product in a low income area your product will sell over a much cheaper private label, in which this area only makes 10% on? And you call yourself a business owner? You're just a bunch of dreamers who fell for the sales pitch of owning your own business. Cause if you truly believe you signed up to own your own business I've got pallets of non melt chocolate covered pretzels you can sell in the summer months.

The concept with being an IBO should be all on YOU. What YOU put into it YOU will get. The harder YOU work the more YOU make. The faster YOU work the faster YOU get home.

Like I've said previously, demographics is relevent to sales. In Massachusetts and many other places we are thriving. People did their due diligence research and not listen to the stupid banter of management's lip service. No different than car salesman who will tell you everything you want to hear just to get you to buy a junker. S-L is the worst cause other than your home this is probably the biggest purchase of your life.

Would you invest $100,000 in stocks and bonds before researching them? I'll answer that and say no! So why would one purchase a crap shoot snack route? If you say yes, i have a great financial advisor who would take a chance with your $100,000.

Enough said. For all of you who is not succeeding in this tough business and are not fulfilled and feel cheated I am sorry. Both companies were better before the merger. They're not going back so make some hard decisions and either do things differently to succeed or try to move on.

Happy Holidays. 2014 is a new year and hopefully will be a new beginning..........
Lance in my paints

Charlotte, NC

#4954 Dec 8, 2013
Northeast Snackman wrote:
Along with many of the verterans on here, I've been on this thread for a long time. I've had to hold back on so many comments about the people who did not do their due diligence before they all got into this business. All the complaining about S-L not giving out bonuses or doing anything to help YOUR business. You can't have it both ways. Are you a company person or a business owner?
From my understanding, corporate company people receive bonuses as incentives to go above and beyond quotas. As a so called IBO you really need INCENTIVE to build your so called business? S_L is offereing the bonus program for the people who don't think like IBO's and are trying to generate more sales so they can keep their superiors happy.
Like many have said before, the people who didn't do their due diligence research before purchasing a route. And the ones who have read some/all of the posts on here and still purchased a route, you're a moron. Snyders and Lance were much better as separate companies. Lance people say Snyder's was a bad deal and vice versa. I was on the Snyders side. All I know is we were constantly growing making 20% commission. Things were far from perfect. There was alot of pushing back and forth with the micromanaging. It didn't work cause the people I was around treated their business like owners.
After the merger, S-L sold to a bunch of inexperienced people who scraped up money to purchase a dead territory. The newbies don't know the product line, price, and demografic of sales. What makes you think if you carry a highend product in a low income area your product will sell over a much cheaper private label, in which this area only makes 10% on? And you call yourself a business owner? You're just a bunch of dreamers who fell for the sales pitch of owning your own business. Cause if you truly believe you signed up to own your own business I've got pallets of non melt chocolate covered pretzels you can sell in the summer months.
The concept with being an IBO should be all on YOU. What YOU put into it YOU will get. The harder YOU work the more YOU make. The faster YOU work the faster YOU get home.
Like I've said previously, demographics is relevent to sales. In Massachusetts and many other places we are thriving. People did their due diligence research and not listen to the stupid banter of management's lip service. No different than car salesman who will tell you everything you want to hear just to get you to buy a junker. S-L is the worst cause other than your home this is probably the biggest purchase of your life.
Would you invest $100,000 in stocks and bonds before researching them? I'll answer that and say no! So why would one purchase a crap shoot snack route? If you say yes, i have a great financial advisor who would take a chance with your $100,000.
Enough said. For all of you who is not succeeding in this tough business and are not fulfilled and feel cheated I am sorry. Both companies were better before the merger. They're not going back so make some hard decisions and either do things differently to succeed or try to move on.
Happy Holidays. 2014 is a new year and hopefully will be a new beginning..........
I agree with alot of the book u just typed ... My problem they have alot of our growth in their hands and with not competing with frito gay on promotions especially this last quarter why would numbers be up ??
Northeast Snackman

Sharon, MA

#4955 Dec 8, 2013
Lance in my paints wrote:
<quoted text> I agree with alot of the book u just typed ... My problem they have alot of our growth in their hands and with not competing with frito gay on promotions especially this last quarter why would numbers be up ??
__________
In S-L eyes they want to be in every store, nook, and canteen truck. That would be their answer to our questions. "There is always room for growth."

I know people around here that care about the time they get home than making more money. They're content. They look at it like, "Why bust my ass for $25-50/week in a convenient store that complains all the time, while i can bring in $1000-3000 in a supermarket with all cases?" They are happy grossing $75-80,000/year. Does the supervisors for S-L push and try to tell IBO's what to do, when to do it, and how to do it? Yes. It's a daily struggle with supervisors, but as long as shelves look full, store managers are happy, S-L can do nothing. Are there times S-L sabotage IBO's? Yes.

Like everyone from this area will tell you location is half the battle. Where there is money S-L will sell. Some people have trouble selling the Wise line cause it's considered a low end line. Cape Cod sell great in this area. It sells better than Snyders items, which management hates to see here cause they concentrate on Snyders items. They will never admit it though. Basically, IBO's sell what moves the best, and the what has the bes commission. If Snyders and private label were on sale at the same time what items would people push? 18% Snyder items or 10% private Label items?

This business is not for everyone. It's sad S-L is a public company now. You are like a prisoner with just a number now. it's not "Hello, how are you doing today" anymore. It's "how are your numbers? What are you averaging? How can YOU get your average up?"
There's no use in saying let the mgmt run a route and see how they fear. It's a known fact mgmt CAN"T do the work IBO's can. For the ones who started on a truck? I know for a fact the averages were in the $3000-5000 range for just Bostaon Popcorn with only 7 flavors way back in the day. There will always be 2 kinds of people. Takers and givers. Corporate will always take, and whether IBO's like it or not we will always give. 20% down to 19.5%, down to 18% now.

In S-L minds "It's mind over matter. We don't mind, and you don't matter." These words were told by a senior person to a "friend" a LONG time ago when they were friends. it shows some people forgot where they came from.

Since: Oct 13

Hollywood, FL

#4957 Dec 12, 2013
wawa convinience stores must be serviced 3x a week and supposedly we must sign a sheet agreeing to this any help appreciated
FORBES

Schenectady, NY

#4958 Dec 12, 2013
snyderIBoFML wrote:
wawa convinience stores must be serviced 3x a week and supposedly we must sign a sheet agreeing to this any help appreciated
Seriously?? If the account is doing 250 to 300 a week then two times a week would be warranted Other then that , no ... You would be crazy to sign anything ... And it's hard to believe that they would want you to sign something as preposterous as that
Lance in my paints

United States

#4959 Dec 12, 2013
FORBES wrote:
<quoted text>
Seriously?? If the account is doing 250 to 300 a week then two times a week would be warranted Other then that , no ... You would be crazy to sign anything ... And it's hard to believe that they would want you to sign something as preposterous as that
yeah they tried to get us to sign that crap also we laughed @ them ... We make money on commish if the stop needs more service don't u think we would be there ? The dumb shit never ends ...

Since: Oct 13

Orlando, FL

#4960 Dec 12, 2013
Lance in my paints wrote:
<quoted text> yeah they tried to get us to sign that crap also we laughed @ them ... We make money on commish if the stop needs more service don't u think we would be there ? The dumb shit never ends ...
lol no one has signed yet all refusing
FORBES

Rochester, NY

#4961 Dec 12, 2013
snyderIBoFML wrote:
<quoted text>
lol no one has signed yet all refusing
Incredible
arkansasSLscamed IBO

Sheridan, AR

#4962 Dec 15, 2013
well It had been exactly 1 month since I walked away. a few follow ups. one - I do not regret it, only regret the timing with the holidays and all and not being able to get my son the things he wants. I noticed that 2 local routes are posted on craigslist - with a $35000 income range (one was mine - I say that is pretty close to the GI of that route right now, and I hope most people don't get caught up in that number because fuel alone is $800/mth +/-- so lets add insurance, truck maint., product, supplies etc.- close to $1500/mth. expenses before TAXES - want medical insurance it becomes $1700 easy....) enough about that. I agree with what has been said recently - I drank the "own your own business Kool-Aid") I could have done things better, sure, but like was said above, how can you sell high end items in a low income area. C-store business just kept dropping off, and people kept leaving the area. I recently went into a couple of my old stores- they look like Shit because the DM is running 2 RTS - 200 miles apart! It is truly sad the way S-L treats and handles their IBOs - Yes the IBO needs to work to build business - but at the same time - SL needs to help said IBO because with their success come more success for SL, much like McDonalds does for their O/O. And the 'rent' paid is based off sales (min amount required), for example if my route is a $4000/wk ave and the min amount of "rent" is 10% or $500.... but if my route is $12000 I pay the 10%- so what I am saying is SL should (but wont) rate the commission based on sales ave/income areas. so maybe a low route is 30-35% to help cover cost. and a high end route is 18-22%- checks and balances, kinda like the government used to be!
geeeeez

Saint Petersburg, FL

#4963 Dec 16, 2013
Attn:
If there are any S/L management on this site, please do random drug testing of DM in Largo Florida. I'm trying to run this route as a professional business and increase my sales. I don't need your drugged up manager visiting my publix stores. I hear about it the next day from the store managers, how unprofessional and stoned he was. Is this the image S/L wants in the market?
Thanks
Fishin Buddy

Saint Petersburg, FL

#4964 Dec 16, 2013
snyderIBoFML wrote:
wawa convinience stores must be serviced 3x a week and supposedly we must sign a sheet agreeing to this any help appreciated
Don't sign it!!!!!
410cif1a

Emporia, KS

#4965 Dec 18, 2013
arkansasSLscamedIBO wrote:
well It had been exactly 1 month since I walked away. a few follow ups. one - I do not regret it, only regret the timing with the holidays and all and not being able to get my son the things he wants. I noticed that 2 local routes are posted on craigslist - with a $35000 income range (one was mine - I say that is pretty close to the GI of that route right now, and I hope most people don't get caught up in that number because fuel alone is $800/mth +/-- so lets add insurance, truck maint., product, supplies etc.- close to $1500/mth. expenses before TAXES - want medical insurance it becomes $1700 easy....) enough about that. I agree with what has been said recently - I drank the "own your own business Kool-Aid") I could have done things better, sure, but like was said above, how can you sell high end items in a low income area. C-store business just kept dropping off, and people kept leaving the area. I recently went into a couple of my old stores- they look like Shit because the DM is running 2 RTS - 200 miles apart! It is truly sad the way S-L treats and handles their IBOs - Yes the IBO needs to work to build business - but at the same time - SL needs to help said IBO because with their success come more success for SL, much like McDonalds does for their O/O. And the 'rent' paid is based off sales (min amount required), for example if my route is a $4000/wk ave and the min amount of "rent" is 10% or $500.... but if my route is $12000 I pay the 10%- so what I am saying is SL should (but wont) rate the commission based on sales ave/income areas. so maybe a low route is 30-35% to help cover cost. and a high end route is 18-22%- checks and balances, kinda like the government used to be!
What part of AR? This sounds pretty close to the route I have, sales have went from $6,800 to averaging $5300 real quick. I must've drank the same "Kool aid". I gave up a $20.12 per hr job with full benefits, 401k, paid holidays, etc.(Government Job) to hop on the S - L train. I've learned real quick that it wasn't what it's cracked up to be. One of the biggest mistakes I've made.
why

Virginia Beach, VA

#4966 Dec 18, 2013
well it looks like theyare buying our routes back from us again, so they can reroute everything again. has this been done anywhere else ?
snydersibofml

Hollywood, FL

#4967 Dec 18, 2013
why wrote:
well it looks like theyare buying our routes back from us again, so they can reroute everything again. has this been done anywhere else ?
orlando about 10 routes restructuring new routes start in a week
Dce

Damascus, MD

#4968 Dec 18, 2013
why wrote:
well it looks like theyare buying our routes back from us again, so they can reroute everything again. has this been done anywhere else ?
are they buying whole routes or just stops?
snydersibofml

United States

#4969 Dec 19, 2013
Dce wrote:
<quoted text>are they buying whole routes or just stops?
stops and fyi druggy dm was fired this week lol

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