Snyder's of Hanover
Old Man Goat

Fremont, CA

#3314 Apr 4, 2013
Yeah, losing shelf space in a Walmart can really kill your weekly paycheck. Snyders will never compete with Frito Lay though. If you want shelf space you have to pay! for it! Most Snyders Lance I/O's will be homeless bums a year from now if things don't change. Cmonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn, strike or something cool!

Since: Feb 13

Rochester, NY

#3315 Apr 4, 2013
Fishin Buddy wrote:
"Poor ordering by warehouse managers, which is common, results in understocked or overstocked warehouses which results in product going out of code before it even leaves the building or IO's not being able to satisfy their stores during promotions."
I probably could have phrased that better but in this instance I'm illustrating how poor ordering by warehouse managers results in the IO's not being able to satisfy their stores. I'm not blaming the IO here.
One must a full warehouse in order to have full store shelves....it's a concept that Snyders does not seem to understand

Since: Feb 13

Rochester, NY

#3316 Apr 4, 2013
Old Man Goat wrote:
Yeah, losing shelf space in a Walmart can really kill your weekly paycheck. Snyders will never compete with Frito Lay though. If you want shelf space you have to pay! for it! Most Snyders Lance I/O's will be homeless bums a year from now if things don't change. Cmonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn, strike or something cool!
Going on strike?? Seriously ...the best thing for the IO to do is to organize as a group...with 3,000 IO's nationwide standing as one, then Snyders might listen.Until that happens we are just a bunch of whiners
Joe Blo

Bronx, NY

#3317 Apr 5, 2013
[quote]Did anyone notice the article in the NY Times today about WMT not being able stock their shelves on a timely basis?[/quote]

Yeah, I did. Walmart has been getting a higher frequency of direct shippers/shipment in lately from alot of companies like pepperidge farm, etc, cutting out the vendor/IO's for more profit. Well, they can't keep up with filling the shelves is my guess. I guess the answer is to hire more temps for 10 bucks an hour. Their motto is "do more, with less", I think most of us know what that really means when it comes to being a Walmart employee.
Joe Blo

Bronx, NY

#3318 Apr 5, 2013
Walmart..id be weary when buying a route that has a walmart in it if anyone is reading this and is buying a route where a good chunk of sales is from walmart. I had a route long time ago(non lance), where we were in walmart. New store manager came and kicked us out because the space wasn't paid for and we weren't in planogram. So I lost 700 in weekly sales 6 months after I took over from new store manager, even though we were in store for 6+ years.
Joe Blo

Bronx, NY

#3319 Apr 5, 2013
Rob wrote:
A couple of questions. I've read several posts and heard that some of the partner brands are disappearing. Wouldn't that reduce the value of a route?
Not if that route that was purchased was not ordering a specific partner brand to begin with. For example, say you have a partner brand called "Rob's brownies". The route you baught never purchased "Rob's brownies", so by losing partner brand "Rob's Brownies", it does not effect your numbers. BUT, it is good to have partner brands incase you pick up a few new stops or decide to push it inside cash stores and see maybe if it sells. Or maybe the product gets authorized one day in a chain, who knows. If it does sell, then great, your numbers go up, you added a new line in which you never sold before, and hopefully you get more storespace to fit all your merchandise.
Old School Lance Man

Pink Hill, NC

#3320 Apr 5, 2013
I always heard be careful what you ask for......You just might get it..........

Well Lance has gotten what they asked for in this "EQUAL" merger with Snyders.......The company is being run into the ground........

And Singer is pulling a Steve Miller Band.........

Take the Money and Run..

Glad I was not offered a route after 22
1/2 years...And my last year I had sales of $525,000 dollars in a small town.....
Fishin Buddy

Saint Petersburg, FL

#3321 Apr 5, 2013
Bordeaux11611 wrote:
<quoted text>Whenever I would see your posts on here, I would always wonder which "side" you were on. Other people wondered too, and I know you enjoyed that. You have this amazing ability to talk out of both sides of your mouth, or is it from both faces at the same time? This post removes ALL doubt for me. As to the problems, or I should excuses, you were giving for S-L as to the supposed reason for the situations at their warehouses that you were reciting, I was just making the comment that other companies do not give that as an excuse as to why they are not doing things the way that they are supposed to. The other companies already know and are aware of these problems, they just do not use them as an excuse for stealing from VERY hardworking delivery people and turning around and calling it a profit at the end of the year to make their stock look better than it really is. The worker's mentality is a LOT better than a business one, the business mentality still needs the workers to make it happen.
Bordeaux, I was one of the IO's that got blackballed when the merger happened. I have a lot of grudges against S-L. But in the business world it's rarely 100% management or workers fault. S-L management is incompetent. They are the ones that hired many unqualified IBO's. You seem to write to your own agenda, posts that are too long and full of a lot of useless information. I'm telling it like it is from ground level. I've been there. I've read your posts but have you ever run a route? I haven't read anything about your experience with S-L. Sure S-L is stealing from dumb Io's. Dumb because they let it happen. You said a workers mentality is a lot better than a business one for IBO's. Boy are you out to lunch on that one. You need a business attitude to deal with the DM's. You need business knowledge to run YOUR business, handle the accounting, and make wise decisions on equipment purchases. S-L counts on IBO's to have a workers mentality so they can take advantage of them. You're nowhere near as smart as I thought you were when you first posted here.
Fishin Buddy

Saint Petersburg, FL

#3322 Apr 5, 2013
Bordeaux11611 wrote:
<quoted text> Yes you are blaming the IO! You are just trying to hide it and pretend that you are a "buddy". Everybody's buddy! Fishin' buddy!
No, as a result of poor ordering by S-L management IO's wak into empty warehouses and aren't able to buy the product to fulfill the displays they were given by the stores.
Fishin Buddy

Saint Petersburg, FL

#3323 Apr 5, 2013
no pity for fools wrote:
From the near begining there were IO's that came on here and suggested banding together. That is the ONLY way IBO's will succeed. Unless some one will take the lead there will never be any changes. You alone will not succeed in changing S-L rules and regulations. If you all think it's bad now wait till S-L refuses to pay for realty. I'm sure alot of you have seen less shelf space. Walmart? Wait till it hits one of your major accounts. Wait till we lose the Pirates Booty line. Aurora and others should be considered gone. Direct delivery will be more. Loss of space will be the norm. No one alone will succeed. And the few that have tried in the past is no longer. They were blackballed from the new routes.
The banding together came from an IO in New England. They have a backbone up there. Down here in the south, in Right to Work states the workforce is intimidated knowing they really have no rights. I've seen the difference since I've worked in both the north and south. You'll never be able to organize a movement that will be strong and stick together. I'd like it to happen and I'd like to help, but it would take $, lawyers and solidarity from the IBO's. The last part is why it would fail.
Popsmoveon

United States

#3324 Apr 5, 2013
Old School Lance Man wrote:
I always heard be careful what you ask for......You just might get it..........
Well Lance has gotten what they asked for in this "EQUAL" merger with Snyders.......The company is being run into the ground........
And Singer is pulling a Steve Miller Band.........
Take the Money and Run..
Glad I was not offered a route after 22
1/2 years...And my last year I had sales of $525,000 dollars in a small town.....
Go fishing or play bingo ..
Yeah

York, PA

#3325 Apr 6, 2013
And the false posts continue. Thanks Snyder's-Lance. Everybody still believes you.
Northeast Snackman

Mansfield, MA

#3326 Apr 6, 2013
For the IBO's who truly treat their busness like owners you need not listen. For the ones who are being told what to do, when to do it, and hot to do it tell your DM's to f*** off. Dm's are not your bosses. They are the buffers between you and S-L. The ones who threaten you with losing your route or whatever the case is all lip service. Have things documented. As long as you are doing everything within guidelines there should be no problems. IBO's give the power to the DM's and mgmt cause you truly don't know your rights. When they tell you to take things out of the warehouse have them sign a document. If what they say is true they should have no problem signing. I don't know how many times IBO's were told product will be reinbursed and they weren't. Myself included. So, whenever we are told to take product the strong IBO's don't unless we receive documentation it will be guaranteed. Yes, there are a lot of rifts and bad blood. they want to treat us like crap, we push back.

-L hires non English speaking people with money who are week. They don't understand the meaning of a business owner until it's too late. Foxboro now has around 32 IBO's. The caucasion is now the true minority there. That's how S-L likes it. No push back. Just people who paid for their jobs.
Xtrafullssuck

United States

#3327 Apr 6, 2013
Northeast Snackman wrote:
For the IBO's who truly treat their busness like owners you need not listen. For the ones who are being told what to do, when to do it, and hot to do it tell your DM's to f*** off. Dm's are not your bosses. They are the buffers between you and S-L. The ones who threaten you with losing your route or whatever the case is all lip service. Have things documented. As long as you are doing everything within guidelines there should be no problems. IBO's give the power to the DM's and mgmt cause you truly don't know your rights. When they tell you to take things out of the warehouse have them sign a document. If what they say is true they should have no problem signing. I don't know how many times IBO's were told product will be reinbursed and they weren't. Myself included. So, whenever we are told to take product the strong IBO's don't unless we receive documentation it will be guaranteed. Yes, there are a lot of rifts and bad blood. they want to treat us like crap, we push back.
-L hires non English speaking people with money who are week. They don't understand the meaning of a business owner until it's too late. Foxboro now has around 32 IBO's. The caucasion is now the true minority there. That's how S-L likes it. No push back. Just people who paid for their jobs.
Amen ! Dm's work for us ... And if we have good sales and they get a bonus good for them , but that other b.s is not going to fly !
WNY distributer

United States

#3328 Apr 6, 2013
Northeast Snackman wrote:
For the IBO's who truly treat their busness like owners you need not listen. For the ones who are being told what to do, when to do it, and hot to do it tell your DM's to f*** off. Dm's are not your bosses. They are the buffers between you and S-L. The ones who threaten you with losing your route or whatever the case is all lip service. Have things documented. As long as you are doing everything within guidelines there should be no problems. IBO's give the power to the DM's and mgmt cause you truly don't know your rights. When they tell you to take things out of the warehouse have them sign a document. If what they say is true they should have no problem signing. I don't know how many times IBO's were told product will be reinbursed and they weren't. Myself included. So, whenever we are told to take product the strong IBO's don't unless we receive documentation it will be guaranteed. Yes, there are a lot of rifts and bad blood. they want to treat us like crap, we push back.
-L hires non English speaking people with money who are week. They don't understand the meaning of a business owner until it's too late. Foxboro now has around 32 IBO's. The caucasion is now the true minority there. That's how S-L likes it. No push back. Just people who paid for their jobs.
Agreed!! The DM's ARE NOT your boss...PERIOD..get a freaking backbone and tell them to get off of your back ! What is the worst that can happen? They charge you with a breach of contract ? Well that is what lawyers are for ! Always remember...you are an IBO...Independent Business Owner...keep running to your DM whenever you encounter a problem and you will always be treated as an employee...without benefits....any of you guys remember that lawsuit ??? Band together brothers!!
WNY distributer

United States

#3329 Apr 6, 2013
Xtrafullssuck wrote:
<quoted text> Amen ! Dm's work for us ... And if we have good sales and they get a bonus good for them , but that other b.s is not going to fly !
True...the DM's do work for YOU...YOU are their best customer !!
Old time Jones

Fremont, CA

#3330 Apr 6, 2013
Guys, I walked into one of my Walmarts today and was told Snyders sent 5 pallets of Popcorn. 5 pallets!!! Thankfully one was on the floor, but Walmart was not too happy that they sent that much. Still 4 left in the backroom. Anyone else get this sent to your store?
ripped off ralph

Frederick, MD

#3331 Apr 6, 2013
Old time Jones wrote:
Guys, I walked into one of my Walmarts today and was told Snyders sent 5 pallets of Popcorn. 5 pallets!!! Thankfully one was on the floor, but Walmart was not too happy that they sent that much. Still 4 left in the backroom. Anyone else get this sent to your store?
We were told about 1 not 5, thats scary, wonder if it was a mistake, oh never mind, the great S?L never makes mistakes.
Xtrafullssuck

United States

#3332 Apr 6, 2013
Old time Jones wrote:
Guys, I walked into one of my Walmarts today and was told Snyders sent 5 pallets of Popcorn. 5 pallets!!! Thankfully one was on the floor, but Walmart was not too happy that they sent that much. Still 4 left in the backroom. Anyone else get this sent to your store?
How many is there on a pallet ?
Northeast Snackman

Mansfield, MA

#3333 Apr 6, 2013
The one importing thing an IBO could/should do is be your accounts best friend. Get to know the people in charge and let them know you are just the middleman and when there are direct deliveries you are not resposible for the returns. An IBO will service the DD, but weare not resposible for the returns. I've been told by so many store managers the DM's and other sales people from S-L whine and beg till the account says YES, just to get rid of the people. So, they know S-L DM and salesmen are robots and whiners. Communicate with your accounts, become good friends with understandings and they you will benefit from this. Ask anyone who does this and they will tell you the same.

There's so much pressure to sell product, S-L will think of any way to sell more that last quarter. Public owned companies want growth, not flatliner sales. My grocery managers have rejected DM's before cause they literally asked me if the product would move in their store. That's what you want as an IBO. Communication and uniy with your accounts. Who cares about the company? That sure don't care about you.

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