Snyder's of Hanover
Clocker

Saint Petersburg, FL

#2778 Nov 24, 2012
NE, can you give me the address of the RI warehouse? I'm going back home for Christmas and would like to see what it's like.
snackguy

Somerville, MA

#2779 Nov 24, 2012
Clocker wrote:
NE, can you give me the address of the RI warehouse? I'm going back home for Christmas and would like to see what it's like.
try foxboro warehouse right down street from stadium 2 annette dr.
CapeCodChipMan

Old Town, FL

#2780 Nov 25, 2012
While the whole S-L "Merger has been a cluster phuck, to say the least....

I worked for Lance for 6 years, left for 2 and came back 3 months before the Go-Live date here in Florida in July 2011. I was offered a part of my old route, where I was always in the Lance Elite Club, but looking at the numbers that were run, they were after I left and the Temp guy let the route run down.

I "bought" 21 stores averaging $7200 a week. 5 Big Box stores, 10 Charge C-Stores and 6 Cash stops(5 still open, 1 closed after S_L ran numbers). Now I am up to 46 Accounts and averaging $11,000 in weekly sales.

There is money to be made in this, just have to manage inventory right, know the product line, demographics,, market trends, upcoming sales and the code dates at the warehouses.

Training? What's that? Lance took PRIDE in the fact that they had one of the best and longest training programs in the industry....4 weeks. Product, planograms, Store personnel and customer service. Now.....So you want to buy a route....great, sign here and have fun. I recently took over 3 stops from another IO who didnt want the cash accounts anymore(only doing $30 a week in sales). After 5 minutes in each account, the problem was obvious...No brand flow, no package or flavor mix and no smart placement of the right items(No pork skins, Nacho Rings or Fries in the Ghetto??)

I sit every morning with a cup of coffee and manually enter the previous day's invoices into QuickBooks Pro(Ross is still working on a plug in to do this automatically) and I can track sales, market trends or anything else that the Management at S-L can't or wont do.

When I go to the warehouse to reload, I usually average $500 or less on my truck and load back up only what I know I will need until my next trip. If product is on my truck longer than my deferment, then I haven't made any money on it. I carry around a list of all product and write down what I NEED to pull from the warehouse, knowing it will be off my truck the next day.

I have also created a spreadsheet, which allows me to track my loads, sales, promos, stales, loan payment, truck payment and the other fees, so at the end of the week, I know how much I owe the company for that week. The only thing that no one seems to be able to figure out is the 2% incremental margin, which just lowers the amount due.

The biggest issues are how Management hasn't been crossed trained between the 2 companies, most SoH DMs never took the time to learn the C-Store side of the business and only focus on the Grocery side. Maybe a little less time on the golf course and more time in the market would have helped. So many times I walk into a C-Store and find 4 flavors of chips..Just 4! Wonder why the store isn't doing what it should? 8 Flavors of Cape Cod, 9 Flavors of Tom's, 2 Fries, Nacho Rings, 8 Pork Skins, 3 Bugles.......Mix it up ...

Lance was notorious for Micro Managing....Distribution, Service Compliance, Sales Trends and the best one....Weekly Conference Calls about upcoming sales. Fixtures? At Lance...need one...sure..here you go. Happy Selling. At S-L, good luck getting one.(Still waiting on a Capetian Wafer Rack from 3 months ago)

Clocker

Saint Petersburg, FL

#2781 Nov 25, 2012
Thanks snackguy. That would be in Mass. While Foxboro is not far from the border I can't see RI distributors running out of there. I tried looking up a warehouse in RI but came up empty.
Clocker

Saint Petersburg, FL

#2782 Nov 25, 2012
CCCM, you obviously are running your route the way it should be run. Like a business. IMO the #1 reason distributors fail is they have an attitude like an employee instead of a businessman. Now don't take this the wrong way, but I'm wondering how you service all those accounts out of 1 truck. 5 big box stores would have to be done 5 times a week by guidelines set here. The DM's even have a service report they throw at the ID's when they don't meet the companies standard. 5 stores should take you 7-8 hours. Then you start your C stores. You must be working 12+ hours a day, 6 days (7?). Then add your computer work at home and loading the truck. You're devoting a huge part of your life to this.

Before the merge I made 17%. Under the new contract the guys tell me it's been knocked down to 14-15%. I know C-stores pay higher. It sounds like you're pretty content. Do you have anytime for a life outside of S-L? Is it worth it?
Sc chip

Hyattsville, MD

#2783 Nov 25, 2012
Let me let you all in on something... Ok so about the whole paycheck thing. I had the same problem that most of you are having. The first few weeks I was doing this I wasn't bringing in a lot and I was having to pay back money. So here's what I do to compensate for that... This will only work if you're on 7day terms. I let my market sell way down the first week. Week 2 I slam it up. I'll do like double what I would normally. I do this to generate a HUGE paycheck. I'll put it in numbers for you week one I sell $2000 worth of product and I get no paycheck. Week two I sell $10000 worth of product (these are just examples). After the second week ill have generated an $8000 paycheck. The key is to sell everything you buy. The most I've gotten was $14300 from doing this. You'll still have to watch your spending cause after 28 days they'll want to collect a balance if you have one but at least the ball is in your court and not thiers.
CapeCodChipMan

Old Town, FL

#2784 Nov 25, 2012
Clocker wrote:
CCCM, you obviously are running your route the way it should be run. Like a business. IMO the #1 reason distributors fail is they have an attitude like an employee instead of a businessman. Now don't take this the wrong way, but I'm wondering how you service all those accounts out of 1 truck. 5 big box stores would have to be done 5 times a week by guidelines set here. The DM's even have a service report they throw at the ID's when they don't meet the companies standard. 5 stores should take you 7-8 hours. Then you start your C stores. You must be working 12+ hours a day, 6 days (7?). Then add your computer work at home and loading the truck. You're devoting a huge part of your life to this.
Before the merge I made 17%. Under the new contract the guys tell me it's been knocked down to 14-15%. I know C-stores pay higher. It sounds like you're pretty content. Do you have anytime for a life outside of S-L? Is it worth it?
Not all Big Box Stores get 5 day a week service. Publix only one gets 5 day, the other(based on sales) gets 4. Winn Dixie,Sweetbay get twice a week, Wal Mart 3 times.

Tuesday, Friday (days after loading at DC) Huge Box store day, light on C stores. If you manage your time and route properly, the Big Box stores shouldn't take more than an hour each(Stuck behind 5 venodrs at Wal Mart?? Re-route it to make it later or earlier to avoid the wait.

I am running out of one truck...one of the Cape Cod Logo ones from Lance. Reset the shelving to be able to hold ALL of the single serve line chips, skins, corn products, peanuts, crackers on one side, use the other side of truck for Bulk storage and back stock(no shelving) At times the loads can be tight, but after a few big box stops..it is workable and soon, it is empty again.

Every morning I wills tart about 3am. Hit a 24 hour Kangaroo(service and refill the coffee), then off to Publix by 4am.

Time management is just as much a part of this business as inventory management.

I usually only am out on road about 45 hours a week(Selling time) Load days add about 6 hours to that since the DC is 40 minutes away. Computer time varies, maybe 30 minutes a day. But the Computer time is worth it compared to listening to the DM say that he cant run numbers because the 2 systems didnt merge together yet.(Its been almost 2 years now...all the data is on one server..Doh!)

Besides...the more I work and sell ,the more I will make in the long run. I am already looking for a 2nd truck to split the route and continue to expand the route and products available to customers. I dont mint working 60+ hours a week. I dont golf or fish, so this is like a good hobby instead.
i m over it

Chesapeake, VA

#2785 Nov 26, 2012
CapeCodChipMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Not all Big Box Stores get 5 day a week service. Publix only one gets 5 day, the other(based on sales) gets 4. Winn Dixie,Sweetbay get twice a week, Wal Mart 3 times.
Tuesday, Friday (days after loading at DC) Huge Box store day, light on C stores. If you manage your time and route properly, the Big Box stores shouldn't take more than an hour each(Stuck behind 5 venodrs at Wal Mart?? Re-route it to make it later or earlier to avoid the wait.
I am running out of one truck...one of the Cape Cod Logo ones from Lance. Reset the shelving to be able to hold ALL of the single serve line chips, skins, corn products, peanuts, crackers on one side, use the other side of truck for Bulk storage and back stock(no shelving) At times the loads can be tight, but after a few big box stops..it is workable and soon, it is empty again.
Every morning I wills tart about 3am. Hit a 24 hour Kangaroo(service and refill the coffee), then off to Publix by 4am.
Time management is just as much a part of this business as inventory management.
I usually only am out on road about 45 hours a week(Selling time) Load days add about 6 hours to that since the DC is 40 minutes away. Computer time varies, maybe 30 minutes a day. But the Computer time is worth it compared to listening to the DM say that he cant run numbers because the 2 systems didnt merge together yet.(Its been almost 2 years now...all the data is on one server..Doh!)
Besides...the more I work and sell ,the more I will make in the long run. I am already looking for a 2nd truck to split the route and continue to expand the route and products available to customers. I dont mint working 60+ hours a week. I dont golf or fish, so this is like a good hobby instead.
want ever i work 6 day a week im lucky to make a check whats her name in bendover f s it up every week always adding loads to the wrong week i dont care if you are one two three four or seven day terms you are f..ked working here
snackguy

Cambridge, MA

#2786 Nov 26, 2012
Cccm that great that you like working all those hours. SL would like to have more people like you. But some of us have things called wife's and children that we would like to spend time with. I know working all those hour is not conducive to having a good family life. So you have to ask your self which is more important SL with all the bs they put you through or your family? I figured out which was more important to me.
Snackman

Shippensburg, PA

#2788 Nov 29, 2012
been doing this for 8 months now and the margins arent enough, 17% net is barely paying all the bills , after allow payback its like between 14 and 15% we have to stand up together to get this changed. Before the merger it was 19.5% why did they change it . To make the shareholders happy, this is total bs, if the ibo's arent making it then the company will fail. Stand up for yourselves
whadda joke

Scotland, PA

#2789 Nov 29, 2012
CapeCodChipMan - you my friend are a knucklehead. I am working half the hours you are and still making way more per hour than you Have fun selling all that single serve!! LOL. Yes, I am sure you are a "hero" according to Snyders-Lance but the rest of us look at guys like you and say "sheesh"?? Im laughing so hard I can barely type. Just think if Snyders-Lance put as much effort into you as you are into them??

Keep up the good work, you really should try another hobby - obviously you have no life.
Gotafatlanceinmy jeans

Tucker, GA

#2790 Dec 1, 2012
whadda joke wrote:
CapeCodChipMan - you my friend are a knucklehead. I am working half the hours you are and still making way more per hour than you Have fun selling all that single serve!! LOL. Yes, I am sure you are a "hero" according to Snyders-Lance but the rest of us look at guys like you and say "sheesh"?? Im laughing so hard I can barely type. Just think if Snyders-Lance put as much effort into you as you are into them??
Keep up the good work, you really should try another hobby - obviously you have no life.
don't forget the other 2 hours a week he washes his useless dm's vw bug ... Lol
DFEDEROFF

Bronx, NY

#2791 Dec 1, 2012
boxhard wrote:
wow !!!! congratulations !!!! 90,000 gross !!!! fantastic !!!!
you must avg over 12-14,000/wk sales to be pullin that buddy. sorry but i highly doubt it. in fact i think you cant add or flat out lying. 1700/wk after route payment LMAO !!!!!!
i dont know whats funnier in your post, 90,000 LARGE or the 3 DMs there for no other reason than to help you. funny stuff, please keep posting.<quoted text>
a agree with you box can you said delusional I got out and im suing them every last person should do the same
DFEDEROFF

Bronx, NY

#2792 Dec 1, 2012
jkb wrote:
I think it is all a big ass joke i recently just sold my route ad they now are saying i owe a ton of money well got news they wont get it. they never explained anything before the routes were sold and made it sound like you were goin to make good money all I did was stress and stress about them on my back about payments sure you got big check once a month from them but I would go 4-6 weeks without a check. The way its working is a complete joke i would like to speak to someone that has recently sold their routes with a balance due
please get a laywer
AMBMAK

Black Mountain, NC

#2793 Dec 1, 2012
style_dog wrote:
AMBMAK
You are right. Many of the people on here use these boards to vent.
When people decide to purchase their own business, they should research it a bit and see if it is right for them, but most people just jump right in looking for a quick paycheck.
You have to look at the area you are purchasing, see if it has growth potential or not. Some areas will not grow while others will not. I am fortunate to have purchased a route in an area that I predict will grow rapidly over the next 10 years. That's why I bought the route that I did. I knew that I could increase sales 15% to 20% immediatly and that I expect my area to grow from here on population and household income.
I know several people who are not doing so well, but in almost every case ( not all cases but most ), they are not willing to put the effort in to their route to make it successful. Most of them want to work 5 hours a day for 4 to 5 days per week and spend the rest of the time fishing etc... That would be great .... the American Dream.
Is that you driving that truck and trailer to those Walmarts in Granite and Hickory? Wow....your wife....what a FOX!!!!!!!( Didn't know they had foxes in New Jersey. No wonder you are such a happy camper.
YES SHE IS. AHHHHH, DO I KNOW YOU ?
AMBMAK

Black Mountain, NC

#2794 Dec 1, 2012
boxhard wrote:
wow !!!! congratulations !!!! 90,000 gross !!!! fantastic !!!!
you must avg over 12-14,000/wk sales to be pullin that buddy. sorry but i highly doubt it. in fact i think you cant add or flat out lying. 1700/wk after route payment LMAO !!!!!!
i dont know whats funnier in your post, 90,000 LARGE or the 3 DMs there for no other reason than to help you. funny stuff, please keep posting.<quoted text>
WELL ALFRED EINSTOCK,,,, IF YOU DO 10,000@ WEEK AT 17% THAT WOULD BE [email protected] NOW WOULDNT IT ? BUT SINCE IM DOING A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT AND SOME OF THAT IS AT 20% THEN WHAT WOULD THAT AVERAGE OUT TO ? NO MATTER WHAT YOU WORK AT REQUIRES EFFORT !!!! ESPECIALLY THIS BUISINESS. OUR WAREHOUSE HAS ITS ISSUES LIKE ALL OF THEM BUT EVERYTHING GETS RESOLVED DOWN THE ROAD AND IF IT DOESNT THEN DEEL WITH IT !!! YOU HAVE TO LEAVE THE HOUSE IN THE MORNING PRETTY SURE THAT ALOT OF THINGS ARE NOT GOING TO GO YOUR WAY, THATS LIFE WEATHER YOUR A SNACK VENDOR, A FIREMAN, OR A FARMER. I HONESTLY AM VERY HAPPY YOU ARE LAUGHINY YOUR A*% OFF BECAUSE SO AM I EVERY TIME I MAKE A DEPOSITE INTO MY CHECKING "AND" SAVINGS. I HAVE NOTHING TO PROVE TO ANYONE ESPECIALLY YOU ABOUT OUR ROUTE EXCEPT WE LOVE IT !!!IT JUST PISSES YOU OFF BECAUSE SOMEONE IS SPEAKING OUTSIDE THE BOX AND NOT BASHING THE COMPANY OR COMPLAINING LIKE A LITTLE 6 YEAR OLD SCHOOL KID WHO JUST PISSED THEMSELVES. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT, GET OUT OF IT PLAIN AND SIMPLE. TRY TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX FOR ONCE YOU MAY SUPRISE YOURSELF, BY THE WAY WAL-MART AND JC PENNYS IS HIRING CHRISTMAS HELP. I HOPE THIS HELPS WITH YOUR NEGATIVITY. THAT WILL BE $175.00 FOR THIS SESSION, TALK TO YOU NEXT WEEK..........
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I know all about you

York, PA

#2795 Dec 1, 2012
AMBMAK wrote:
<quoted text>WELL ALFRED EINSTOCK,,,, IF YOU DO 10,000@ WEEK AT 17% THAT WOULD BE [email protected] NOW WOULDNT IT ? BUT SINCE IM DOING A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT AND SOME OF THAT IS AT 20% THEN WHAT WOULD THAT AVERAGE OUT TO ? NO MATTER WHAT YOU WORK AT REQUIRES EFFORT !!!! ESPECIALLY THIS BUISINESS. OUR WAREHOUSE HAS ITS ISSUES LIKE ALL OF THEM BUT EVERYTHING GETS RESOLVED DOWN THE ROAD AND IF IT DOESNT THEN DEEL WITH IT !!! YOU HAVE TO LEAVE THE HOUSE IN THE MORNING PRETTY SURE THAT ALOT OF THINGS ARE NOT GOING TO GO YOUR WAY, THATS LIFE WEATHER YOUR A SNACK VENDOR, A FIREMAN, OR A FARMER. I HONESTLY AM VERY HAPPY YOU ARE LAUGHINY YOUR A*% OFF BECAUSE SO AM I EVERY TIME I MAKE A DEPOSITE INTO MY CHECKING "AND" SAVINGS. I HAVE NOTHING TO PROVE TO ANYONE ESPECIALLY YOU ABOUT OUR ROUTE EXCEPT WE LOVE IT !!!IT JUST PISSES YOU OFF BECAUSE SOMEONE IS SPEAKING OUTSIDE THE BOX AND NOT BASHING THE COMPANY OR COMPLAINING LIKE A LITTLE 6 YEAR OLD SCHOOL KID WHO JUST PISSED THEMSELVES. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT, GET OUT OF IT PLAIN AND SIMPLE. TRY TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX FOR ONCE YOU MAY SUPRISE YOURSELF, BY THE WAY WAL-MART AND JC PENNYS IS HIRING CHRISTMAS HELP. I HOPE THIS HELPS WITH YOUR NEGATIVITY. THAT WILL BE $175.00 FOR THIS SESSION, TALK TO YOU NEXT WEEK..........
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Are YOU Muslim? It seems like you aren't quite assimilating 100% yet. There is always something "off" about Muslims when they try to act like they are Americans, especially when they try to use slang correctly, spelling, etc.
AMBMAK

Black Mountain, NC

#2796 Dec 1, 2012
NOPE BORN IN TRENTON NJ AMERICAS 1ST CAPITOL. CANT GET ANY MORE AMERICAN THAN THAT..........
I know all about you

Dover, PA

#2797 Dec 1, 2012
AMBMAK wrote:
NOPE BORN IN TRENTON NJ AMERICAS 1ST CAPITOL. CANT GET ANY MORE AMERICAN THAN THAT..........
The nation's first capital was Philadelphia, Trenton was the 7th.
AMBMAK

Black Mountain, NC

#2798 Dec 2, 2012
I know all about you wrote:
<quoted text>
The nation's first capital was Philadelphia, Trenton was the 7th.
wrong wrong wrong sorry....at the battle of trenton george washington set up his troops and post and named trenton as the us capitol. look it up

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