Brawl outside Lowell club concerns ci...

Brawl outside Lowell club concerns city officials

There are 94 comments on the Lowell Sun story from May 4, 2010, titled Brawl outside Lowell club concerns city officials. In it, Lowell Sun reports that:

Police will request that disciplinary action be taken against El Rincon after a massive brawl erupted at the Central Street nightclub last Friday morning, said Police Superintendent Kenneth Lavallee.

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Billy

Lowell, MA

#85 May 6, 2010
Donkeys Foreva wrote:
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I didn't use the word dump. Those that did are probably referring more to the clientele than the place itself. It can still be a dump no matter how nice it looks inside.
You know what they say about dressing up a pig. It's still a pig.
I understand that you didn't say that. I never said you did. You claim I was going to play the race card as if it's a bad thing to point out racism. Read the thread. The cliental at El Rincon has been called "Animals" the place has been called a "sheet hole", it's been suggested we burn it down, etc. Where is all of this hate coming from? Most of the people making such comments have probably never been there. They don't understand that the Brewery, Blue Shamrock and Fox Hall have bigger problems with under age drinking and violence.

The fact that The Sun called a cat fight, a fight between two girls, a "brawl" just ads to the fire storm of ignorance. The fact of the matter is, El Rincon has been there for many years and the problems are few, especially when compared to some other Lowell bars. Any bar is going to have problems. But people seem to hate this place in particular. Gee I wonder why?

Mind you there are other minority bars, the Portuguese places(reds) are a known coke haven, for example. But they are not in the mainstream of downtown so people don't see what happens there. The real problem people have with El Rincon is that it's a place full of Spanish people in downtown Lowell. Any incident there gets blown out of proportion by scared and ignorant folks who have no idea what they're talking about.

Hey if you want to see real trouble, hasten the return of Brian's Ivy Hall on Merrimak st.. That place was owned by a cop so they didn't get in very much trouble. But when they first opened it was the most violent place in Lowell. To that end, I find it interesting that Brian's is re opening in a location that had been shut down to to "noise" because the newbies at Moller's Loft could hear the music through the walls.(hey they bought a condo next to a bar but who cares about the details?)

How will it be any different now at the new Brian's? Moller's still shares a wall with the Brian's location. The only difference between the club that was shut down and the club that is about to be opened in the same spot, a spot that was declared to violate Moller's rights even thought the club was there before Moller's is... the color of the skin of the new owners vs. the Latin club that was shut down in the very same location. Makes you wonder.
Maggie

Peabody, MA

#86 May 8, 2010
at the end of your entry - Are you referiing to a place they might cal Beks ?
Billy wrote:
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I understand that you didn't say that. I never said you did. You claim I was going to play the race card as if it's a bad thing to point out racism. Read the thread. The cliental at El Rincon has been called "Animals" the place has been called a "sheet hole", it's been suggested we burn it down, etc. Where is all of this hate coming from? Most of the people making such comments have probably never been there. They don't understand that the Brewery, Blue Shamrock and Fox Hall have bigger problems with under age drinking and violence.
The fact that The Sun called a cat fight, a fight between two girls, a "brawl" just ads to the fire storm of ignorance. The fact of the matter is, El Rincon has been there for many years and the problems are few, especially when compared to some other Lowell bars. Any bar is going to have problems. But people seem to hate this place in particular. Gee I wonder why?
Mind you there are other minority bars, the Portuguese places(reds) are a known coke haven, for example. But they are not in the mainstream of downtown so people don't see what happens there. The real problem people have with El Rincon is that it's a place full of Spanish people in downtown Lowell. Any incident there gets blown out of proportion by scared and ignorant folks who have no idea what they're talking about.
Hey if you want to see real trouble, hasten the return of Brian's Ivy Hall on Merrimak st.. That place was owned by a cop so they didn't get in very much trouble. But when they first opened it was the most violent place in Lowell. To that end, I find it interesting that Brian's is re opening in a location that had been shut down to to "noise" because the newbies at Moller's Loft could hear the music through the walls.(hey they bought a condo next to a bar but who cares about the details?)
How will it be any different now at the new Brian's? Moller's still shares a wall with the Brian's location. The only difference between the club that was shut down and the club that is about to be opened in the same spot, a spot that was declared to violate Moller's rights even thought the club was there before Moller's is... the color of the skin of the new owners vs. the Latin club that was shut down in the very same location. Makes you wonder.
Patrick

Chelmsford, MA

#87 May 10, 2010
LPD wrote:
<quoted text>I work there keep count, with a clicker. I will leave Break up of fighting to the police, no problem. Our security staff had the problem under control with the detailed officer. The owners together with the detailed officer check numbers at all times with me. We closed the door at 12:30, the officer called to try and get rid of the people on the side walk who were not going to get in but also were not listening to the officer to evacuate the premesis.
That must have been him asking for help to clear out the crowd when he was yelling on the radio "send backup, send backup". I was listening to the scanner that night bud, you must have been sniffing some glue in a closet.
Arte

Somerville, MA

#88 May 10, 2010
I hope they do not close this place down. They have great 40bags there, just ask for Louis Rivera Ortiz Ramon Ortega, he's usually there on the weekend's.
Jack

Devault, PA

#89 May 10, 2010
Really now wrote:
Defend that place all you want. It's a sh1t hole.... and nothing good is ever going to come of it.
Nothing good ever walked into it either...
Billy

Lowell, MA

#90 May 10, 2010
The vitriol. You can buy a 40 bag at any bar in Lowell.

And Jack, you have no idea wtf you're talking about. keep making ignorant and mean spirited generalizations, it proves my theory that the backward yahoos from Grantham am are as enlightened as you.
Camil

Chelmsford, MA

#91 May 10, 2010
Blue Shamrock is really owned by Steve Panagiatakos
Maggie

Peabody, MA

#92 May 10, 2010
You are absolutely right.
Love it wrote:
Bottom line is this...STOP the under 21 crowd from going there, cater to adults ban anyone who fights. Lower the music, close doors and do not allow any one in after 1am, maybe hire an additional detail....have 2 officers.
40 bag

Webster, MA

#93 May 11, 2010
Arte wrote:
I hope they do not close this place down. They have great 40bags there, just ask for Louis Rivera Ortiz Ramon Ortega, he's usually there on the weekend's.
You and your mother must buy bags there....Its people like you that keep people like them in business...
Billy

Lowell, MA

#94 May 11, 2010
Maggie wrote:
You are absolutely right. <quoted text>
Hold on, let's look at this.

"Bottom line is this...STOP the under 21 crowd from going there, cater to adults ban anyone who fights. Lower the music, close doors and do not allow any one in after 1am, maybe hire an additional detail....have 2 officers."

Under 21 in a college town is standard and very few Lowell bars have under 21 nights.

Most bars ban people who fight. In this case the two girls who fought have been banned. Yes, I asked.

El Rincon calls last call at 12:30 so this after 1 am stuff, you must be talking about some other bar. Also what is so magical about the 1 am hour that makes you think everything will be OK if bars are done by 1? Last call is last call. People will down as many drinks as they can when the bell rings.

Do you really think 2 officers can stop a "brawl" any easier than 1 cop can? Who's going to pay for it. SOme bars have no detail cop at all. Should they be forced to hire 2 cops and basically give away the day's till? One cops is fine and he can call for back up when he needs to.

Bottom line, these "fixes" don't really apply to the bar in question. So, no, you are not absolutely right.
Let me get this straight

Lowell, MA

#95 May 17, 2010
Lowell Resident wrote:
"Lavallee said yesterday that police are preparing a report on the incident that is likely to be reviewed by the city's License Commission in the coming weeks."
Unfortunately, this will probably die with the License Commission... it seems like every time the Police recommend disciplinary action, the License Commission ends up handing out a slap on the wrist.
The only tool that the Police can wield in this situation is disciplinary action from the License Commission, but those guys seem impotent to act no matter how egregious the offense.
Seems that everyone forgets that the Chief of Police only sends stuff to the license comission after the district attorney says there is no basis to believe a crime was committed. Then everyone wonders why the license commission has so little to work with...
Let me get this straight

Lowell, MA

#96 May 17, 2010
Maggie wrote:
Another comment - Don't allow 18 and over clubs. If liquor is served all in the place should be 21. Don't allow people to hang around on the sidewalk outside waiting to get in. And any club should be proactive in banning anyone who acts up.
So no one can go into a place that serves alcohol if they are under age 21? What is the cut off time? Does the outback have to ban children?
Used to party

Windham, NH

#97 May 18, 2010
The L.A. Ballroom was closed because of all the fights they had.
I had a friend who worked security there and they all knew it was coming.
tonkabean

Chelsea, MA

#106 May 18, 2010
Billy wrote:
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Well I was explaining to the guy who said you were wrong, that you were in fact right. Then I went on to point out that it doesn't really matter because my point remains the same.
Sorry Billy...didn't mean to use you as a way to lighten the mood. It's all I was hoping to do. Cheers~!

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