'Do we want Bike Week?'

'Do we want Bike Week?'

There are 232 comments on the Evening Sun story from Jul 12, 2010, titled 'Do we want Bike Week?'. In it, Evening Sun reports that:

Although the Gettysburg Police Department put extra officers on the streets during Bike Week, Police Chief Joseph Dougherty says the department is still ill-equipped to handle the thousands of bikers.

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In Force

Hanover, PA

#1 Jul 12, 2010
It gets simpler if you take individual assault charge reports from residents who feel their hearing was damaged by an exhaust that was designed to damage hearing, it shows intent. Each assault case goes to court and large awards go the assaulted residents who can show they have hearing loss due to an assault from a biker. This IS constitutional, to the letter. Victims have rights too, not just rowdy tax absorbing bikers who take over towns and scream "I have rights, protect me while we loot your town and drain your funds and resources".

So much for all the bikers who claimed their exhaust were "not a problem", so much for all the bikers who claimed they "brought income to the town". If the police can't protect residents, then bring in the National Guard. The battle of Gettysburg is being lost, next year just say no to bike week!
Marlon

Loysville, PA

#2 Jul 12, 2010
I've already forgotten that the bikers were here.
Butterfield and Birkner come off sounding a little like stuffed shirts on this issue. They are only here for a few days. I suspect that both are also firmly in Paddock's anti-casino camp.
They should hang signs along all the roadways entering Gettysburg saying "you are only welcome in our town if you meet our fuddy-duddy approval".
Law Foul

Hanover, PA

#3 Jul 12, 2010
Noise ordinances are easy to make constitutional as long as you use a standard decibel meter and have the maximum decibel level, and distance from source in the ordinance. Here is how decibels work, if biker "a" is 100db at 5', and biker "b" is 100db at 5', their combined decibels are 103db at 5', 4 bikers at 100db would make 106db and so on. You can site groups that make a combined level above the ordinance. If the bikers "plan" to assemble, and group is above the permitted level, then you can breakup the group that is above the ordinance make arrests and send the rest packing.
Law enforcement and policy makers often lose site of how much damage is caused by sound because you can't see sound. If a person threw rocks at another person and hurt them, they would be arrested for assault and would pay damages in court for injury (possible jail). Sound pressure works exactly the same as throwing rocks (except you are throwing sound pressure), you can purposely make people lose their hearing or have ringing in their ears for the rest of their life with a loud exhaust. Get enforceable laws written and act against the damage these bikers have caused to our families and town.
intruder

United States

#4 Jul 13, 2010
and who will be the ones to judge what is to loud? without the metters and a trained officer to do the tests. are you willing to have taxes raised to provide this service? are you willing to maybe be ticketed yourself for that truck or leafblower or the [people who bring supplies to your town in bigger trucks that may meet the noise level that they set up as to much? once you go down this slippery slope then watch for what you may lose next is all i can say.
In Force wrote:
It gets simpler if you take individual assault charge reports from residents who feel their hearing was damaged by an exhaust that was designed to damage hearing, it shows intent. Each assault case goes to court and large awards go the assaulted residents who can show they have hearing loss due to an assault from a biker. This IS constitutional, to the letter. Victims have rights too, not just rowdy tax absorbing bikers who take over towns and scream "I have rights, protect me while we loot your town and drain your funds and resources".
So much for all the bikers who claimed their exhaust were "not a problem", so much for all the bikers who claimed they "brought income to the town". If the police can't protect residents, then bring in the National Guard. The battle of Gettysburg is being lost, next year just say no to bike week!
intruder

United States

#5 Jul 13, 2010
all thT SOUNDS FINE BUT IF YOU READ OTHER STORIES IN THE PAPERS ETC ON BIKE WEEK FIRST YOU SEE VERY FEW TICKETS AND NOISE COMPLAINTS EXCEPT FOR THE FUDDY DUDDIES WHO MOVED TO TOWN THINKING HEY GREAT I LOVE THIS TOURIST SPOT I WILL BUT A HOME HERE AND MOVE THEN PROCEED TO TRY TO CHANGE WHAT BROUGHT THEM THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. BIKERS MAKE NOISE NO DOUBT. SO DO TRUCKS AND LAWNMOWERS AND TRASH TRUCKS. SO NOW GO AHEAD HIRE A COP AND BUY THE EQUIPMENT AND TRAIN SAID OFFICER TO JUST ENFORCE THE LAW ON NOISE. IT WILL BE A FULL TIME JOB. AND ALSO SO YOU KNOW ALMOST ALL LAWS RELATED TO NOISE HAVE BEEN OVERTURNED BY THE COURTS AND THE CITIES AND TOWNS HAVE TO REPAY ALL THE FINES THEY COLLECTED. AND AS FOR YOUR IDEA OF CHARGING A GROUP? GOOD LUCK IN THAT. THE POLICE CAN ONLY DO WHAT HE SEES OR HEARS. SO IF 1 BIKER IN 10 IS STUPID HE CAN ONLY TEST THAT ONE BIKER AND WITH THE RULES YOU CITE PLEASE SEE THIS SITE ON SAE NOISE STANDARDS. http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/713/3788/Motorc... AND AS TO THE THROWING OF ROCKS VS NOISE. WELL YOUR CRAZY THERE. COMPARING APPLES TO ORANGES. THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND EXSPOSURE NEEDED TO CAUSE INJURY IS ASTOUNDING. A SIMPLE WEEKEND OF BIKERS WILL NOT DO THAT DAMAGE YOU TOSSING THAT ROCK WILL.
Law Foul wrote:
Noise ordinances are easy to make constitutional as long as you use a standard decibel meter and have the maximum decibel level, and distance from source in the ordinance. Here is how decibels work, if biker "a" is 100db at 5', and biker "b" is 100db at 5', their combined decibels are 103db at 5', 4 bikers at 100db would make 106db and so on. You can site groups that make a combined level above the ordinance. If the bikers "plan" to assemble, and group is above the permitted level, then you can breakup the group that is above the ordinance make arrests and send the rest packing.
Law enforcement and policy makers often lose site of how much damage is caused by sound because you can't see sound. If a person threw rocks at another person and hurt them, they would be arrested for assault and would pay damages in court for injury (possible jail). Sound pressure works exactly the same as throwing rocks (except you are throwing sound pressure), you can purposely make people lose their hearing or have ringing in their ears for the rest of their life with a loud exhaust. Get enforceable laws written and act against the damage these bikers have caused to our families and town.
intruder

United States

#6 Jul 13, 2010
and not to beat this dead horse idea please note that the equipment needed can run from 300 to 600 dollars each. and need to be calibrated before testing daily if not more often. but in a town with omg bikers everywhere making noise that would be impossible. also note weather and time of day can cause noise to carry different. wet. dry. windy. no wind. cool. hot. each of these weather conditions need to be calibrated for in a way that background noise does not interfere with test or the ticket can be tossed when taken to court as it will not fall into sae standards. so where do i sign up to be on the police force for this cushy job of paperwork and working on a machine that needs to be set up every single tiem it is used as the envrioment changes all the time before each test then hope that person be it biker or truck driver or kids or sunday church groups get ticketed.
not to mention

Hanover, PA

#7 Jul 13, 2010
Not to mention the echo off of buildings in a town alters the level of "real" sound.

After reading the article I think the only person who was interviewed that "gets it" is Estrada.

BIKE WEEK IS NOT HELD IN GETTYSBURG BOROUGH!!!! SO YOU HAVE NO SAY!! IDIOTS!!

Cumberland Township Police Chief Boehs didn't whine and complain to the pols! He and his cops got the job done.
anonymous

Hanover, PA

#8 Jul 13, 2010
gettysburg bike week is here to stay. sorry folks.
Terry

Chambersburg, PA

#9 Jul 13, 2010
I love you people in gettysburg you want all the tourist you can get because you have keep out every business that has tryed to start there. You want the money and from what i see you sure need it because the town is full of half empty stores and Bars on every corner...I'm so tired of hearing we don't want this and we don't want that and to much noise and too many people, but we sure do want your money!!! if you want the quiet country life move out in the country. its the same thing every time people want to move in and make it just like the city they came from with all the perks, Just don't want people around so who pays for it the old timers who have lived there forever.
rider

Pittston, PA

#10 Jul 13, 2010
What is the economic impact? Any raw data? How much revenue did local biz see vs an ordinary summer weekend?
How much did it cost the boro in police OT?
Important questions.
Nobody can even give an accurate assesment of how many showed up.

Lose the obnoxoius,illegal,loud pipes and most folks won't complain.
Bill

East Berlin, PA

#11 Jul 13, 2010
So the entire Gettysburg Police and some Sheriff deputies issed 13 traffic citations and no DUI arrest. This is overwelming?

Maybe they should contact the officials in Sturgis to see how it's done.

How can you stop this? You allow people to run around and shoot guns that make noise and I think one even got hurt doing it.
Do you really care

Shippensburg, PA

#12 Jul 13, 2010
If year after year the Police Department reports that very few citations were issued, and some were for "residents", who decided to have all of this Police protection again? I am a borough resident and I walked up to the event, like most residents did, and I thought it was a welcome change to see so many people congregating, and having a good time. I am a woman and I saw nor heard nothing that was offensive from anyone. And if so many residents are "offended" why were so many of you out watching Saturday's Parade of Chrome? I think it is so sad that people look for something to complain about simply because they have nothing better to do. We'll since you're already outside... why don't you try to have a good time, meet some new people, and practice those "good Christian values" and welcome your fellow, law abiding neighbors into your community.
Mt Holly Springs

Parkville, MD

#13 Jul 13, 2010
It is very loud Friday and Saturday of Bike Week in Gettysburg, so stay out of town!
OBSERVER

United States

#14 Jul 13, 2010
SERIOUSLY????WHY DONT YOU JUST SHUT DOWN THE TOWN?PUT UP FENCES AND LET IN ONLY THOSE WHO YOU DECIDE MEETS YOUR CRITERIA. TO BE HONEST THE BATTLEFIELD IS THE ONLY ATTRACTIVE THING THIS TOWN HAS. YOU PEOPLE ARE NOT ONLY RUDE AND INCONSIDERATE BUT YOUR COMMON SENSE IS LACKING.WHAT DO YOU THINK VISITOR COME THERE FOR?? HERITAGE? NO, MOST PEOPLE COME THERE ON VACATION TO GET AWAY FROM THEIR EVERYDAY LIVES,TO RELAX AND HAVE A GOOD TIME.HOWEVER YOU PEOPLE WITH YOUR ATTITUDES WILL BE DRIVING ALOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF PEOPLE AWAY NOT JUST THE BIKERS. SO GO AHEAD AND KEEP CRYING. I HOPE THE TOWN TURNS INTO A TRUE GHOST TOWN.
Earl Godwins Bread

Budd Lake, NJ

#15 Jul 13, 2010
Let the people that live here make the choice. Everyone else's opinions mean nothing.
common sense

Shermans Dale, PA

#16 Jul 13, 2010
Another spark turns into a fire and Gettysburg Council lacks the brains to justify their concerns. Ironically, Birkner sounds like a little school kid riding his bike through town trying to find everything wrong with the event then reporting back to his mommy, his findings...Council seems to forget when the influx of unstable individuals who invade Gettysburg during dress up week carrying their guns and playing war in the field would worry me more then a Harley riding through Town...Being on Council is a major balancing act trying to keep citizens happy; however, one week out of the 52 allotted. Hmmmm..Come on, Suck it up..The police reports show low stats for the amount of foot and motorcycle traffic. Those findings alone show that the event was not out of control.
truck driver

Hanover, PA

#17 Jul 13, 2010
BIKE week - YES or maybe higher taxes - NO . businesses who make money from tourists , pay taxes . maybe Adams Co. should add 1% to Pa.6% sales tax for Gettysburg Boro....or put Toll Gates to enter the Boro OF Gettysburg. citizens of G-burg , you complain about bikes , truck traffic which is doing harm to roads , buildings ....GET A BY-PASS ( with no shopping centers ) AROUND YOUR TOWN>>>> thats part of the the answer.
Randy Gass

Hummelstown, PA

#18 Jul 13, 2010
Everyone should think back to when thr Mayor of York decided the "The Street Rodders" were more trouble then they were worth,and what Yorh had to do to convince them to return
Andy De Cusati

Gettysburg, PA

#19 Jul 13, 2010
Bike Week problems divide the community. The casino divides the community. What is the common denominator to each problem? Dave LeVan. Maybe if he stopped trying to shove his "vision" for Gettysburg down our throats things would be better. If he moved, or just mined his own business, the casino project would die. Bike Week would remain for awhile but after time perhaps that would die off too.
Gettysburg Resident

Lebanon, PA

#20 Jul 13, 2010
Bill you are right get in touch with Sturgis and other towns who host bike events and see how they manage. I did hear that if the bike exhaust does not have baffles then it is not legal, a simple method is to push a cut down broom handle into exhaust if it is not impeded then there are no baffles and a ticket is issued, very simple. I love the bikes being here but did suffer from hearing damage as did my wife, we live in baltimore street. So this is not a matter of banning them just getting them to present in a quieter manner, please.

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