Littlestown shooting linked to OxyContin

Littlestown shooting linked to OxyContin

There are 113 comments on the Evening Sun story from Mar 12, 2008, titled Littlestown shooting linked to OxyContin. In it, Evening Sun reports that:

Firefighters load John F. Fischback, 50, of Littlestown into a STAT MedEvac helicopter to take him to York Hospital after he was injured during a shooting at his home on Newark Street.

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amish man with lectric

Eden Prairie, MN

#78 Mar 15, 2008
who wrote:
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If you are really were Amish you wouldn't feel that way!!! And why would you be one the computer thought they were a sinfull item!
only if ya use it for left wing liberal websites
Matthew

Titusville, FL

#80 Mar 15, 2008
Tracey wrote:
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Matthew, I agree with you 100%. My comment was poorly written. Mr. Fishbach is the victim and I do believe that Mr. Smith would have further harmed him. In my earlier posts, I have stated that Mr. Smith is responsible for his own demise. The media has played out the criminal as the victim. We do not have all of the facts, but it is clear to me that Mr. Fishbach acted appropriately by defending himself. Sad to say, if I were in Mr. Fishbach's shoes, I would have been an easy victim, and ended up dead.
Dear Lady, if you come to Florida I'll teach you how to safely use a weapon. Having a gan may never save YOUR life, but having a gun could likely save someone else's life. If there were armed law abiding citizens in Luby's in Texas, then the entire US might be a different place. I know that if the man was shot down after he got out of the car with his gun, The media circus and all the effects of makiing the criminal a hero would have been missing... and propbably many of the mass shootings afterwards would not have happened.

A few years ago I read that a parge number of kids were killed with guns each year, something like 12,000. I was shocked! Instead of just taking the "Brady Bunch" at face value, I looked up their "Facts," which are available online.

Of the 12,000 "kids killed with a gun", the statistics used included robberies, police shootings, suicides, Death where someone was clubbed with a gun, hunting accidents, cleaning accidents, and all other incidents. I also found out that the definition of "kids" that they used was all persons under the age of 21! That includes a heck of a lot of gang members, youth offenders, and even men that are tried as an adult in court. When I weeded out how many "kids" were actually shot by accident each year, for a population of 10 million, it was... now get this... 255. 255 kids were accidental shooting victims.

Now, I also looked at the 1980's when Regan was president. After him the focus was gun control. While he was president the focus was safety training. School programs, camp programs, hunting programs. And guess what... the accident rate was higher? Nope, it was lower... by almost fifty people. The funny thing was that after it became a crime to have a gun, and thefocus was on removing and hiding and banning them, the death rate rose dramatically.

Another statistic that I saw that was amazing was this...

States that ban guns have a 50% higher murder rate than states that allow concealed carry.
States that allow open carry have a murder rate that is 50% lower than states that allow concealed carry.

You are actually SAFER in a states where men walk around with guns on their hips.

Food for thought.
Matthew

Titusville, FL

#81 Mar 15, 2008
justsomethingigottasay wrote:
It amazes me that so many of you can sit in judgement of a man that you never met. You base you opinions on news reports that are constantly corrected and information that people pull out of thin air. I just pray that God doesn't decide to judge you too harshly for those actions. Now if it had been me and I had been perscribed such a powerful drug I wouldn't have filled the prescribtion, but if I had I would have just handed over the worthless drugs. If I felt so unsafe in my home that I needed to have a gun in a pouch beside the chair that I would most likely spend my time I would definately be sure to have several locks on my door that would always be locked and I wouldn't open my door for anyone. I also think that instead of pointing the finger based on the small amount of information provided to you, spend more time thinking about the young life that was lost and that even if what has been told was true on an everyday basis with every unneeded prescribtion that you fill you support and allow this kind of violence and the lose of countless innocent lives.
Information.

The man broke in.
-at this point he is a criminal, and has broke and entered a house. He is no longer innocent.

He beat the homeowner.
-this is battery. A crime. He is guilty, not innocent.

The homeowner had to be airlifted to a hospital. This tells me that he was in pretty bad shape.
-Smith would have faced charges of attempted murder.

The homeowner defended himself.

The man that broke in died.

You can now feel safer in your home. Pray that you never get watched when you fill your next pain medication perscription.

If not, pray that someone that has a CCW is around when someone breaks in to try to kill you for your drugs.
Matthew

Titusville, FL

#82 Mar 15, 2008
ant721 wrote:
He should have just given the young man what he wanted instead of taking a life over a few pills, nonviolence in a situation like this is always for the best, let the police handle it and nobody gets hurt.
What makes you think that he would have left you alive?
Matthew

Titusville, FL

#83 Mar 15, 2008
Joe wrote:
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How do you know the reporter's political leanings? This is apparently a factual statement about someone who heard the shooting. God forbid rpeorters put facts in stories.
It may be a little out of place, but how does showing the impact a tragedy had on a young boy imply that the reporter disagreed with the incident?
It's sad how some people need to justify their own shortcomings by criticizing people just doing their job. I bet most of you who jump on reporters like this wouldn't make it a day in her job.
The reporters leanings are clearly shown in the article. It has very little about the victim, a lot about the criminal, and a whole lot about the little boy that was scared. What shocks me is that people seem to think that the victim was the one that scared the kid! He just defended himself! The one that is responsible for the kid being scared was Smith who broke into the house with the intent to seriously harm the homeowner, leave him in the hospital, and take his property.
Matthew

Titusville, FL

#84 Mar 15, 2008
There is more to this story.
First, from another blog
"My buddy lives in Littlestown. Supposedly someone outside the house heard him creaming "you got to get someone here, this guy is trying to kill me".

Also, Smith didn't seem to know the victim. He possibly saw him getting a perscription refilled and knew he had the drugs in his house, or was told that Fischbeck had drugs.

The fellow that drove Smith to work every day lived about a block from the victim. Perhaps that is how Smith knew that Fischbeck had painkillers.

I don't like the idea that Smith was killed. I really don't. But come on now! The criminal was 29, the victim was 50 and on heavy painkillers that he was supposed to have.
unknown

Baltimore, MD

#85 Mar 15, 2008
just to set the record straight.....nick was a wonderful man, father, and husband. He was never a violent person at all. Something is wrong with this picture. Nick had to know this man, how would he know to go to this man house? There is a lot more to this story and for others to judge him right now is wrong. We will miss you Nick..........very much and we love you.
Lisa Whytock

Hurleyville, NY

#86 Mar 16, 2008
The man was protecting his home and the other man if he lives knows not to just go into someones house to steal. The problem here is that a drug addict is in need of his high and they are typically a walking gun waiting to go off. It doesen't matter if the thief came in through the front door or the chimney. An intruder is still an intruder. I would do the same thing as I personally have no regards for drug addicts or people who break in to my home. It's my home.
Joe

Eden Prairie, MN

#87 Mar 16, 2008
paul kersey wrote:
<quoted text> well , the smart people are armed , they realize that today's world means SELF PROTECTION .. or do you believe that the police will always be there for you. the police protect the criminals , look at the laws that we have. why are most back roaming the streets ? you ever hear the saying that crime is big business ? hell , look at our borders...
So I'm dumb because I don't keep a gun in my house?

That's just insane. I'm not criticizing those who do. That's their decision, but I think you tremendously overstate the situation. I walk, jog, at all different hours and have never had a problem. That's not to say there aren't problems, but they aren't as rampant as some people try to make them sound. People in many areas would love to have the crime "problem" that Hanover has.
Joe

Eden Prairie, MN

#88 Mar 16, 2008
Matthew wrote:
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The reporters leanings are clearly shown in the article. It has very little about the victim, a lot about the criminal, and a whole lot about the little boy that was scared. What shocks me is that people seem to think that the victim was the one that scared the kid! He just defended himself! The one that is responsible for the kid being scared was Smith who broke into the house with the intent to seriously harm the homeowner, leave him in the hospital, and take his property.
First off, there are 18 paragraphs. Two are on the kid. That's a "whole lot"?

Secondly, eight paragraphs include neighbors talking about the homeowner. That's almost half the story.

Lastly, Smith's name is mentioned three times. Twice it is information from the police about the incident. The last time is info about his autopsy.

So you tell me, how is a story that has uses Fishback's name 12 times and Smith's three times so biased toward Smith?

It's OK to just read a story and not have to blame someone. I honestly don't know what happened to you to make you so jaded that you see this story biased toward Smith.
Lisa Whytock

Hurleyville, NY

#89 Mar 16, 2008
unknown wrote:
just to set the record straight.....nick was a wonderful man, father, and husband. He was never a violent person at all. Something is wrong with this picture. Nick had to know this man, how would he know to go to this man house? There is a lot more to this story and for others to judge him right now is wrong. We will miss you Nick..........very much and we love you.
I'm sure the drug addict you speak of was a wonderful man and father. I'm sure there was a terrible mistake why he was in someones house to get the drugs from this person. I'm sure you all live on the same street, and he mistook his house for the other guys, and by sheer dumb luck found the guy had the same perscription that he had and coulden't wait for his perscription to get filled so he asked for a favour and got shot. I'm sorry I thought this guy was just some sort of trash drug addict who has no business in anyones house except maybe his own house or jail or rehab or a cemetary. Those are the only options for a loser. If your a drug addict then you've the same options. I'm sure you're a wonderful person too, and if you keep up with the lie then your children will grow up just as wonderfully as your husband did. Criminals don't deserve the same rights as law abiding people any more then Mexican illegials belong in the USA.
Lisa Whytock

Hurleyville, NY

#90 Mar 16, 2008
Matthew wrote:
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What makes you think that he would have left you alive?
I dont think that the thug would have left this man in his home unharmed. Matthew, you have no basis to think for a second that a criminal is an innocent victim. If you do your a dupe waiting for someone to watch you. Thank God that I don't have to worry that someone like you is watching out for me, please stay away from sharp objects as your thinking is way off. Have you considered moving to the East Bay area of San Francisco, maybe Berkley? Go for it slick, you'd fit right in.
Brandon F

Cockeysville, MD

#91 Mar 16, 2008
I believe everyone has the right to protect there home, But as put on others post I grew up with nick and went to school with him in same grade. He would have been the last person I would have thought would have been in this situation. I haven't talk to him in a long time so I don't know how he was recently, people do change sometimes and drugs will change you. I have seen it happen to many times. And it sucks to see many of my classmates have fallen from something so pathetic as drugs, whether they did them or not. But I to use to be part of the life style, and I know if he went there to try to pick up his fix and had no money, but insisted the guy just give him some, If the guy felt threatened he would shoot him (with the gun he keeps just to protect himself from people that he sells to). Then being the fact it is his house he could insist that he never knew the guy and he just barged in insisting and threatening his life if he didn't give it to him. And the police would have nothing but that story. If nick did try to attack the man in his home the man has the right (depending on what happened) but like I said his story may be a lie and I hope they find the truth. And in my mind Nick was never a punk so lets not treat him like one.
Nicks Aunt

Redmond, WA

#92 Mar 16, 2008
Read all the facts before you judge Nick did not break in the house!!!! It is his pay check that is missing and ringand was beat but the man is in a wheelchair and when landing at the hosptil he didnot go in and get treated he just left Nick was a great person
Matthew wrote:
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The reporters leanings are clearly shown in the article. It has very little about the victim, a lot about the criminal, and a whole lot about the little boy that was scared. What shocks me is that people seem to think that the victim was the one that scared the kid! He just defended himself! The one that is responsible for the kid being scared was Smith who broke into the house with the intent to seriously harm the homeowner, leave him in the hospital, and take his property.
Virginia

Sapulpa, OK

#93 Mar 16, 2008
Where do you get your facts? Mr. FISCHBACH signed the HIPPA privacy act at York Hospital when he was ADMITTED. Therefore the reporters had to leave him alone to recover from his FRACTURED SKULL, BROKEN RIBS, and FRACTURED SPINE!!! Do not accuse the man that your nephew beat nearly to death. That man is horrified at your loss but seriously you all are so nasty and judgemental. You knew Nick was going through rehab. You knew Nick was married but also engaged (this was written in his obituary, the Gettysburg Times etc.) you also knew that he had a friend who was suppose to be driving him home from work that day that lived in Littlestown. So why don't you talk to that "friend" and see why Nick is dead and Mr. FISCHBACH (VERY BAD REPORTING!!!) is suffering. Stop pointing fingers and blaming. Mrs. Fischbach has a family to. We are very sorry for your loss. This is a horrible situation all around. We are not blaming you for Mr. Fischbach's wounds and we are not making libel comments. So please leave us alone to grieve peacefully as well. Lastly, where did you get the wheel chair info??? I think you need to check your facts before you repeat them.

MOREOVER, it did not say that Mr. Fischbach was blind, he was blind in ONE EYE. He was also deaf in one ear and none of you know wether his back pain is due to a terminal illness or not so SHUT UP!
Nicks Aunt wrote:
Read all the facts before you judge Nick did not break in the house!!!! It is his pay check that is missing and ringand was beat but the man is in a wheelchair and when landing at the hosptil he didnot go in and get treated he just left Nick was a great person<quoted text>
Nancy

Baltimore, MD

#94 Mar 16, 2008
Mr. FISCHBACH signed the HIPPA privacy act at York Hospital when he was ADMITTED. Therefore the reporters had to leave him alone to recover from his FRACTURED SKULL, BROKEN RIBS, and FRACTURED SPINE!!! Do not accuse the man that your nephew beat nearly to death.

could you please tell me where you got this information from because it is so untrue. Fishback was treated for nothing!!!!!!!
Matthew

Titusville, FL

#98 Mar 16, 2008
Lisa Whytock wrote:
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I dont think that the thug would have left this man in his home unharmed. Matthew, you have no basis to think for a second that a criminal is an innocent victim. If you do your a dupe waiting for someone to watch you. Thank God that I don't have to worry that someone like you is watching out for me, please stay away from sharp objects as your thinking is way off. Have you considered moving to the East Bay area of San Francisco, maybe Berkley? Go for it slick, you'd fit right in.
First, my name is Matthew, not "slick."
Second, um, what are you talking about?
If a criminal breaks into your home, he is less likely to get caught if there are no witnesses. My guess is that if Fischbeck had NOT shot him, he, Fischbeck, would possibly be dead right now. I think you misread my comments.
Virginia

Sapulpa, OK

#99 Mar 16, 2008
Nobody has said that Fischbach has a wheelchair and did you not see where I am writing from. No I was not there, but I am involved in the case and I have talked with police thank you. I just don't understand how all of you can speculate and form such opinions when you yourself see that there are so many holes in the case. And since when did a person who was diabled, with one good eye and ear not be able to use a gun. You are right nobody said wether Nick had a weapon and it does say that there was no forced entry. Fischbach did not have regular visitors other than his son (stated by him, his neighbors, his landlord read all the articles) so he just opened the door and let someone in. Stupid on his part, yes. Also where has it been stated that Fischbach is a drug dealer? Dont you think if that was the case the police would have found evidence of this and taken him in when the ransacked his house? Only you bloggers have come to that conclusion. lastly you say if he was in as bad of shape as I say he was how could he shoot him? Havent you heard of people in life and death situations lifting cars off of themselves? DUH if someone is bashing you over the head and choking you to death if you have any chance at all to grab a weapon wouldnt you do it too? come on people. Drug addictions are horrible. Nick had been struggling and obviously he wasnt in his right mind. I feel horrible for him and for his family but there needs to be some sympathy for the victim that was beaten as well. You are right the evidence will come out. You all saw the picture of Fischbach on the stretcher with a neck brase being loaded onto a Life FLight. They dont do that for just any minor injury. I am also sure that nmany pictures have been taken of Fischbach's injuries hopefully they will come out as well. But with privacy act info and crappy journalism who knows when we will get all of the evidence. Yes Nick can't speak for himself but that is what investigators will work to find...evidence not just hearsay. Also I am not the only person that has stated that there was a third party involved. Don't forget the person that dropped Nick off in Littlestown instead of taking him home like he was suppose to why would he do that? That is the link that needs to be investigated. And by the way the cops know all this I am not stupid and neither are they!
Virginia

Sapulpa, OK

#100 Mar 16, 2008
Where are you getting your information. I have called the hospital myslef? Are you going by the quote in the paper "there is no record of Fischbach being treated?" If so then maybe you will notice that one the reporter spelled his name wrong. Secondly if you call the hospital the Public Affairs Officer will say that when a person is admitted into the hospital if they sign to not be in the directory then they can not say that they have a record of their stay. If they said "we cannot release information on this patient" than that would say that they were in fact there...thus not keeping their stay private. Call the hospital, research your facts, and look up the HIPPA privacy act before you claim that you knwo that he was treated for nothing.
Nancy wrote:
Mr. FISCHBACH signed the HIPPA privacy act at York Hospital when he was ADMITTED. Therefore the reporters had to leave him alone to recover from his FRACTURED SKULL, BROKEN RIBS, and FRACTURED SPINE!!! Do not accuse the man that your nephew beat nearly to death.
could you please tell me where you got this information from because it is so untrue. Fishback was treated for nothing!!!!!!!
Virginia

Sapulpa, OK

#101 Mar 16, 2008
Oh and of course Fischbach would have signed to not be in the directory, he had just killed a man, was grieving, and healing from injury why would he want reporters bothering him in the hospital. It is bad enough that they were banging on his door the day he got home.

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