Caution on Utz signal decision

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"Too bad they'll probably have to wait until someone gets hurt before they decide to do something about it." That's an oft-heard complaint about a whole slew of latent dangers. Full Story
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Resident

Westminster, MD

#1 Jun 10, 2011
I believe the pedestrian bridge is the smart move in the long run. So many people crossing there at all times of the day is just bad for the amount of traffic and people. It wouldn't be so bad if both actually were more attentive, like people in cars not being side tracked (we all do it sometimes inadvertently), and the people crossing need to not just decide since I have the right of way, I'm just going to step out in traffic, because I can, instead of looking over the crossing traffic before making the step out (yes, I too have had people not even look and just walk on out). Be smart, separate the the two, for the well being of all involved, build the pedestrian crossing.
Thanks.
Also

Hanover, PA

#2 Jun 10, 2011
There is another dangerous crosswalk at Hanover Foods on Rt. 116 (Penn Township??). Drivers at the Utz plant typically stop to allow the workers to cross the street. Drivers at Hanover Foods rarely do.
Boro resident

Baltimore, MD

#3 Jun 10, 2011
Build the bridge
Strictly An Opinion

Hanover, PA

#4 Jun 10, 2011
Wonder if the editor spoke to any Engineers to talk about the requirements of building a bridge over the road. Probably not since research before reporting is seldom done by anyone at this newspaper. Yes, building a bridge sounds like such a simple, basic concept but with ADA requirement, Penn Dot requirements, zoning setback requirements, etc. this will most likely involve a lot more than pouring some concrete. Don't just assume that money will be the deciding factor. Bottom line, it's a busy road and intersection and everyone is well aware of that. Motorists need to slow down and pedestrians need to watch for traffic. Share the road!
hmmm

York, PA

#5 Jun 10, 2011
I guess I was taught a little different. Although pedestrians have the right of way while in a crosswalk, what gives them the right to step right out in front of an oncoming vehicle? If they used a little common sense, they could cross safely. I don't go through there often, but everytime I have seen an Utz employee, never slowing their stride, walking out in front of a vehicle that barely can stop in time.
smbs

Newville, PA

#6 Jun 10, 2011
Strictly An Opinion wrote:
Wonder if the editor spoke to any Engineers to talk about the requirements of building a bridge over the road. Probably not since research before reporting is seldom done by anyone at this newspaper. Yes, building a bridge sounds like such a simple, basic concept but with ADA requirement, Penn Dot requirements, zoning setback requirements, etc. this will most likely involve a lot more than pouring some concrete. Don't just assume that money will be the deciding factor. Bottom line, it's a busy road and intersection and everyone is well aware of that. Motorists need to slow down and pedestrians need to watch for traffic. Share the road!
I totally agree with this because I was taught to look both ways before I cross the street and I am sure that everyone else has, too. I not putting MY life in the hands of a stranger who may or may not stop. Everyone needs to PAY ATTENTION.

Those workers are tired when they get off work and I'm sure they don't want to climb a bunch of steps just to get to their cars. A bridge is an unrealistic idea all around.
just me

Brainerd, MN

#7 Jun 10, 2011
why don't utz change the parking? that makes more sense.
yep

York, PA

#8 Jun 10, 2011
Also wrote:
There is another dangerous crosswalk at Hanover Foods on Rt. 116 (Penn Township??). Drivers at the Utz plant typically stop to allow the workers to cross the street. Drivers at Hanover Foods rarely do.
Typically stop? Who are you kidding? I just crossed the street there! Stood on the curb, 3 cars in a row never even slowed or looked up! Yep 2 of them were definatly on the celly or texting and maybe the third! This happens every day and I mean every day! Maybe a few idiots do just walk out, but not as many idiots that dont pay attention where they are driving! I refuse to walk up steps and back down to cross the road. Now you have a bridge obstructing vision when we cross! The answer is have our police sit in the parking lot to eat their donuts and fine the cars that do not stop and the pedestrians that walk out!
just me

United States

#9 Jun 10, 2011
yep wrote:
<quoted text>Typically stop? Who are you kidding? I just crossed the street there! Stood on the curb, 3 cars in a row never even slowed or looked up! Yep 2 of them were definatly on the celly or texting and maybe the third! This happens every day and I mean every day! Maybe a few idiots do just walk out, but not as many idiots that dont pay attention where they are driving! I refuse to walk up steps and back down to cross the road. Now you have a bridge obstructing vision when we cross! The answer is have our police sit in the parking lot to eat their donuts and fine the cars that do not stop and the pedestrians that walk out!
why dont all utz employees come out and cross the street at same time.no you talk about people on cell phones texting.what about you people walking across the street.utz should just change the parking for the employees.enough now done deal.
Strictly An Opinion

Hanover, PA

#10 Jun 10, 2011
just me wrote:
why don't utz change the parking? that makes more sense.
How would they ever be able to do that? Where do you propose the employees park? There isn't any land on the same side of the street for several hundred cars to park. I don't see how your suggestion makes sense. Possibly you could explain it in detail.
numbnutz

Elizabethtown, PA

#11 Jun 10, 2011
why doesn't utz build a mirror factory across the street. they could start a new brand ZTU's. those people who live in a direction that mitigates street crossing can work at ZTU's else the leftovers can work at UTZ's
fred

Gettysburg, PA

#12 Jun 10, 2011
hmmm wrote:
I guess I was taught a little different. Although pedestrians have the right of way while in a crosswalk, what gives them the right to step right out in front of an oncoming vehicle? If they used a little common sense, they could cross safely. I don't go through there often, but everytime I have seen an Utz employee, never slowing their stride, walking out in front of a vehicle that barely can stop in time.
I agree. They never look. I really like the ones who are late. They get out of their car, and start jogging for the crosswalk, do not look, and just jog or run to the other side. Perhaps their pain and suffering law suit would be better than working at UTZ.
TWS

Hanover, PA

#13 Jun 10, 2011
yep wrote:
<quoted text>Typically stop? Who are you kidding? I just crossed the street there! Stood on the curb, 3 cars in a row never even slowed or looked up! Yep 2 of them were definatly on the celly or texting and maybe the third! This happens every day and I mean every day! Maybe a few idiots do just walk out, but not as many idiots that dont pay attention where they are driving! I refuse to walk up steps and back down to cross the road. Now you have a bridge obstructing vision when we cross! The answer is have our police sit in the parking lot to eat their donuts and fine the cars that do not stop and the pedestrians that walk out!
Do you remember what we all were taught as kids about crossing the street?

Stop, Look both ways, making sure the way is clear and THEN step into the roadway and cross.

The idea behind a crosswalk is that, AFTER you've made sure the way is CLEAR and your in the crosswalk and a vehicle approaches WHILE your in the crosswalk, said vehicle is to give you the right-of-way. Traffic is not supposed to stop just because your standing on the curb.

Again, if you can't cross the road at a normal comfortable pace then YOU need to wait for the vehicle to clear the road. Again, conversely, if you are in the roadway, in the crosswalk, then the vehicle needs to wait for you. The crosswalk is meant to protect a pedestrian once IN the crosswalk.

Your expected to use common sense.

Remember, the simplest solution is often the best answer.
RHE

Hanover, PA

#14 Jun 10, 2011
If Utz gets it why shouldn't every other business get a flashing light, example, Myers Meat Market, etc!!! Let utz foot the invoice they are the ones that planned years ago to build a parking lot across the street!!! They have the money for every other thing, homes in naples, fl, avalon beach, etc!! Mike spend some of your money on YOUR employess!!!
TWS

Hanover, PA

#15 Jun 10, 2011
Please excuse the typo's. The "your" should have been "you're".
Lester in New Oxford

Gettysburg, PA

#16 Jun 10, 2011
An underground tunnel would be the safest way to handle this problem. From inside the plant to the parking lot, no fuss, no danger. They work great at the metro train stations.
been there

York, PA

#17 Jun 10, 2011
TWS wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you remember what we all were taught as kids about crossing the street?
Stop, Look both ways, making sure the way is clear and THEN step into the roadway and cross.
The idea behind a crosswalk is that, AFTER you've made sure the way is CLEAR and your in the crosswalk and a vehicle approaches WHILE your in the crosswalk, said vehicle is to give you the right-of-way. Traffic is not supposed to stop just because your standing on the curb.
Again, if you can't cross the road at a normal comfortable pace then YOU need to wait for the vehicle to clear the road. Again, conversely, if you are in the roadway, in the crosswalk, then the vehicle needs to wait for you. The crosswalk is meant to protect a pedestrian once IN the crosswalk.
Your expected to use common sense.
Remember, the simplest solution is often the best answer.
You better read the law buddy, The law says you must stop for pedestrians crossing the street! I do not disagree with you that some walk across with out looking and sometimes they stream across. This is usually at the southern end of the building where the "southerners" that do not speak english cross, not the drivers end. When you stand on that curb waiting to cross and the guy on your left stops to let you cross, you step off the curb and 6 cars from your left never even notice you!
Michael Scott

Hanover, PA

#18 Jun 10, 2011
Why not put stop signs at the intersection there, and put in a crosswalk? It is very difficult to make left turn onto High St at times. Solves 2 problems.
uh huh

Hanover, PA

#19 Jun 10, 2011
Also wrote:
There is another dangerous crosswalk at Hanover Foods on Rt. 116 (Penn Township??). Drivers at the Utz plant typically stop to allow the workers to cross the street. Drivers at Hanover Foods rarely do.
Hanover Foods and Rt. 116 is also dangerous for employees and have flashing pedestrian signs along the roadway but no crosswalk that UTZ has. Hanover Foods needs a crosswalk with a center marker saying pedestrian crossing like UTZ has & and UTZ needs flashing pedestrian crossing signs that Hanover Foods has. Accidents have happened recently at both crossings and need to be addressed.
Anonymous

Hanover, PA

#20 Jun 11, 2011
yep wrote:
<quoted text>Typically stop? Who are you kidding? I just crossed the street there! Stood on the curb, 3 cars in a row never even slowed or looked up! Yep 2 of them were definatly on the celly or texting and maybe the third! This happens every day and I mean every day! Maybe a few idiots do just walk out, but not as many idiots that dont pay attention where they are driving! I refuse to walk up steps and back down to cross the road. Now you have a bridge obstructing vision when we cross! The answer is have our police sit in the parking lot to eat their donuts and fine the cars that do not stop and the pedestrians that walk out!
A crosswalk is not a stop sign you dolt. You were on the curb not in the crosswalk. You're not entitled to run out in moving traffic.

Also lol @ "i'm too lazy to go up steps over a bridge". You're a self entitled loser, the world doesn't stop for you. You will do whatever your masters tell you to do. Listen to your safety meetings at work about how to properly cross a street and shut your mouth.

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