Battlefield essay among year's best

Battlefield essay among year's best

There are 72 comments on the Evening Sun story from Apr 17, 2010, titled Battlefield essay among year's best. In it, Evening Sun reports that:

Gettysburg native John Summers won acclaim for an essay criticizing Park Service s rehabilitation plan, which includes removing wooded areas that weren't there at the time of the battle.

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bs player

Reading, PA

#1 Apr 17, 2010
They are only trees.

Big news, a PHD (scholar no less) won a contest by critzing the government.
Rick M

Greensboro, NC

#2 Apr 18, 2010
It's is a MILITARY Park, Not a Gettysburg's private forest preserve. This town has a nasty habit of treating the military park as it's own private park. Get over it! You want a forest go to Caledonia. This is a park dedicated to the Battle not forest preservation. The arrogance of this town is getting really old.
GettysburgCryBab ies

Greensboro, NC

#3 Apr 18, 2010
Waaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!We want our private nature perserve.Waaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!

Since: Mar 10

Newburg, PA

#4 Apr 18, 2010
GettysburgCryBabies wrote:
Waaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!We want our private nature perserve.Waaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! We want Gettysburg to stay stuck in 1863. Waaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Pete

Yonkers, NY

#5 Apr 18, 2010
Gettysburg Baseball Mom;Waaaaaaaa!Give me a good paying job even though I am not qualified!Waaaaaaaa!No businesses come to Gettysburg but it's the battlefields fault not us.Waaaaaa!We hate tourist(but not their money)Waaaaa!

Since: Mar 10

Newburg, PA

#6 Apr 18, 2010
Pete wrote:
Gettysburg Baseball Mom;Waaaaaaaa!Give me a good paying job even though I am not qualified!Waaaaaaaa!No businesses come to Gettysburg but it's the battlefields fault not us.Waaaaaa!We hate tourist(but not their money)Waaaaa!
How would you know what anyone's qualifications are for any job? Nobody said it was the tourists fault or the battlefields either. Exaggerate much? It is a small minority of local people that are under the mistaken impression that they decide for the majority the future of Gettysburg. Now go boo hoo over that.
Pete

Yonkers, NY

#7 Apr 18, 2010
Nobody said it was the tourists fault or the battlefields?The procasino people have been screaming that the battlefield is choking the life out of Gettysburg and that touristi.e."outsiders "have no say and are trying to stop something that is not their concern.Well despite the spin,the reason the casino is being built where it is,same as the last proposal,is to draw off the fame of Gettysburg,so it's every Americans right to protest what they think is wrong.The Pro's say mind your own business to outsiders and tell locals against the casino to move if they don't like it.I saw one post in the Gettysburg Times where a former resident who is in favor of the casino said that no jobs were in Adams County and things haven't changed in 50 years with people leaving the county looking for work.50 years!Do you think it might be you people and not the battlefield or tourists?

Since: Mar 10

Newburg, PA

#8 Apr 18, 2010
Pete wrote:
Nobody said it was the tourists fault or the battlefields?The procasino people have been screaming that the battlefield is choking the life out of Gettysburg and that touristi.e."outsiders "have no say and are trying to stop something that is not their concern.Well despite the spin,the reason the casino is being built where it is,same as the last proposal,is to draw off the fame of Gettysburg,so it's every Americans right to protest what they think is wrong.The Pro's say mind your own business to outsiders and tell locals against the casino to move if they don't like it.I saw one post in the Gettysburg Times where a former resident who is in favor of the casino said that no jobs were in Adams County and things haven't changed in 50 years with people leaving the county looking for work.50 years!Do you think it might be you people and not the battlefield or tourists?
No, we think is a small group of locals who stir up the people that do not live here to butt into a local issue. They seem intent on being the deciders of what can and cannot be in Gettysburg. It is a legal business on private property with the correct zoning. Got a porch on your house? How would you like all of us to come to your state and tell you you cannot barbeque on your porch because we don't like hotdogs and hamburgers? I bet not so much.
Rick M

Greensboro, NC

#9 Apr 18, 2010
Gburg Baseball Mom wrote:
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No, we think is a small group of locals who stir up the people that do not live here to butt into a local issue. They seem intent on being the deciders of what can and cannot be in Gettysburg. It is a legal business on private property with the correct zoning. Got a porch on your house? How would you like all of us to come to your state and tell you you cannot barbeque on your porch because we don't like hotdogs and hamburgers? I bet not so much.
Even though I don't like this as you put them "small group" I'd rather have a small group then your Messiah King David Levan.

Since: Mar 10

Newburg, PA

#10 Apr 19, 2010
Rick M wrote:
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Even though I don't like this as you put them "small group" I'd rather have a small group then your Messiah King David Levan.
Then make sure you don't wander into his delearship here in town. Make sure you don't benefit from any of the money he donates to the many local charities him and his lovely wife support. And make sure you don't go to his casino!
Rick M

Greensboro, NC

#13 Apr 19, 2010
Gburg Baseball Mom wrote:
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Why do you think he has power and control over the town? Because he didn't ask Violet Clark's permission to put a legal business on private property that is zoned correctly for it? You know Violet says we can only deal in learning and history here.Nothing else! So if you your job (supposing you have one) is in anything else make sure you hand in your notice!
WElcome to Gettysburg Still Stuck in 1863. Only Learning Allowed!
Wow, you really drank to deeply from the Levan is our King and Messiah Kool-Aid didn't you. You are really a sad indivdual.

Since: Mar 10

Newburg, PA

#14 Apr 19, 2010
Rick M wrote:
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Wow, you really drank to deeply from the Levan is our King and Messiah Kool-Aid didn't you. You are really a sad indivdual.
Violet Clark has publically stated that we do not need a water park in Gettysburg and that people only come here to learn. Since when is it sad to not let your town become one dimensional at the whim of one small group. Yep, I drank that Koolaid. Unlike you most of my family here is not retired and this area needs jobs.
Pete

Yonkers, NY

#15 Apr 19, 2010
I don't have Gettysburg Battlefield near me.By saying about complaining about barbequeing,your trying to generalize the subject.It is about the battlefield,and as long as the casino intends on profiting off the name of Gettysburg,by being in close proximity to the battlefield,we outsiders can complain.

Since: Mar 10

Newburg, PA

#16 Apr 19, 2010
Pete wrote:
I don't have Gettysburg Battlefield near me.By saying about complaining about barbequeing,your trying to generalize the subject.It is about the battlefield,and as long as the casino intends on profiting off the name of Gettysburg,by being in close proximity to the battlefield,we outsiders can complain.
I suggest you google the Adams County phone book and see just how many businesses close to it profit off of the battlefield. And I don't really think the No side wants to go down that road.
Pete

Yonkers, NY

#17 Apr 19, 2010
And did you notice there wasn't this kind of a protest about those other businesses?This is only about a casino that those oppose feel does not belong in the area.

Since: Mar 10

Newburg, PA

#18 Apr 19, 2010
Pete wrote:
And did you notice there wasn't this kind of a protest about those other businesses?This is only about a casino that those oppose feel does not belong in the area.
EXATLY! So they think the majority of us locals that want this should sit down and shut up. After all they have spoken! We must kneel and worship them!
Pen

Greensboro, NC

#19 Apr 20, 2010
Gburg Baseball Mom wrote:
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EXATLY! So they think the majority of us locals that want this should sit down and shut up. After all they have spoken! We must kneel and worship them!
62% of 660 of one township is not the MAJORITY! That is in refrence to King David and and the offical spokesman Latorre and Unoffical/offical spokesman Klien continuing to tote that exteremly FALSE line.

Since: Mar 10

Newburg, PA

#20 Apr 20, 2010
Pen wrote:
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62% of 660 of one township is not the MAJORITY! That is in refrence to King David and and the offical spokesman Latorre and Unoffical/offical spokesman Klien continuing to tote that exteremly FALSE line.
If your side want to keep touting that the Poll by Terry Madonna is biased you go right on ahead. The truth of the matter is the poll was conducted by polling Adams County residents.

Since: Mar 10

Newburg, PA

#21 Apr 20, 2010
Pen,
You will not that the 604 people polled were residents of Adams County.
The fine lines of polling
EDITORIAL
Posted: 03/26/2010 01:00:00 AM EDT
There's no doubt in our minds that G. Terry Madonna has forgotten more about survey research than we'll ever know.
And we're just as certain the investors seeking a license for a gaming resort south of the Gettysburg battlefield wanted an accurate picture of public opinion when they commissioned a survey from Madonna, a well-known pollster, professor and political commentator.
If there was any doubt, the release of all the questions asked of respondents should put to rest any suspicions that anyone is hiding anything, no matter how much folks opposed to the casino don't like the results.
The poll of 604 Adams County residents found that 62 percent favor a proposal to open a gaming resort at the Eisenhower Hotel and Conference Center south of the Gettysburg battlefield on Emmitsburg Road. Of those polled, 35 percent said they oppose such a plan.
Statistically speaking, the poll has a margin of error of about 3.97 percent and a 95-percent confidence level, meaning we can be 95-percent certain the results are within 4 percent of what they would be if the entire population of Adams County were sampled.
That's better than a poll The Evening Sun conducted earlier this year of 273 Adams County residents, which had a margin of error of 4.97 percent and a confidence level of 90 percent. In that poll, more than 42 percent favored a casino, while only about a third opposed the idea. The rest said they had "no opinion" on the casino proposal.
Although the polls vary widely on the number of people favoring the proposal, they are remarkably consistent on the number of people opposed - just about a third.
And both polls may be reasonably accurate.
For one thing, the M
Before residents were asked if they favored the casino, the Madonna poll informed respondents of the previous casino proposal, which was to include 5,000 slot machines in Straban Township. Those taking the poll were also told the current proposal called for a "limited casino" with only 600 slot machines and 50 table games.
But it's hard to imagine that subtle information would make that much of a difference. Even Madonna acknowledged its easy enough to "nit-pick" after the fact. And all the other "leading" questions were asked later in the survey.
The casino investors wanted to know how to better market the idea; we only wanted to find out what people thought about the casino and why they thought that way.
So instead of potentially loaded statements, we decided to ask an "open ended" question: What was the single most important reason respondents had for favoring or opposing the plan? With our smaller sample size and more limited objectives, that gave us the information we needed.

Since: Mar 10

Newburg, PA

#22 Apr 20, 2010
Cont:

But the casino folks wanted to know which arguments resonated with people and which ones didn't, so they had to ask leading questions like, "Would you be more likely or less likely to favor a limited casino at the Eisenhower Hotel and Conference Center if you knew that opening the casino will protect the hotel's 100 existing jobs and create an additional 500 fulltime jobs for local residents?"

Biased? Yes. But how else do you ask it? And in fairness, those questions were at the end of the survey - too late to influence the basic question of support or opposition.

Those who don't like the results can cry if they like about leading questions, but their evidence is a far cry from the accusations of "push-polling" being leveled by some casino opponents.

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