G'burg man charged with killing wife

G'burg man charged with killing wife

There are 232 comments on the The Evening Sun story from Sep 23, 2006, titled G'burg man charged with killing wife. In it, The Evening Sun reports that:

After shooting his wife in the head and chest late Thursday night, police say, an Adams County man walked into the state police barracks in Gettysburg, where he turned over two spent shotgun shells and told a ...

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Allyson

Silver Spring, MD

#41 Oct 11, 2006
Linda wrote:
Michelle,
I am Gwen's sister and Norm's wife!!!
Linda, I am so sorry for what has happened. My heart goes out to you and your whole family, if I can do anything for anyone please let me know. This is Allyson H. from school, many years ago...I would love to talk with you. My email is [email protected] Hope to hear from you..
Melissa

AOL

#42 Oct 11, 2006
Dear Gwen's family. I am so sorry to hear about Gwen (and sorry that I didn't find out sooner and give my prayers and thoughts). Gwen was such a loving and caring person. I used to see her at the Thomas Scott/Headlines. She was always such a great person to talk to. She could always make me smile even on a "bad" day. My thoughts and prayers go out to all of you. I hope justice is swift and severe.
Gwens Daughter

Annapolis, MD

#43 Oct 11, 2006
Again Thank you everyone for your positive posts, I'm not much of a positive person, especially now, but I'm glad that others can be positive for me!
Bondo

Hannibal, MO

#44 Oct 14, 2006
DUH Get off your high horses The man admited he killed her and turned himself in open and shut case why you want beat up on anyone connected here ?She should have left the jerk but did not .

She is dead he is in jail end of the story.

Why don't you all read and post on stories you may be able to make a difference about.

Like the police using people as targets and claiming I was in fear for my life
Norm

Greenwood, IN

#45 Oct 15, 2006
Hey Bondo!

Who the hell do you think you are commenting on something you know nothing about? Oh now I see, IN...another wife beating redneck who thinks it is OK to shoot women! She should not have left a**hole because she owned the house! you f*cking moron! He should have been a real man and left and that would have been the end of the story. You on the other hand are not connected to any person involved in the situation so you need to f*ck off and STFU! This is a story that we can make a difference about. You too can make a difference by volunteering to be one of the police targets you purport to care about thereby saving the innocent life of another police target. That would be a fantastic contribution on your part as it would serve the additional benefit to society of our never having to hear from a horses a** like you ever again!
Bondo wrote:
DUH Get off your high horses The man admited he killed her and turned himself in open and shut case why you want beat up on anyone connected here ?She should have left the jerk but did not .
She is dead he is in jail end of the story.
Why don't you all read and post on stories you may be able to make a difference about.
Like the police using people as targets and claiming I was in fear for my life
Michelle

Rising Sun, MD

#46 Oct 15, 2006
Hey Norm!! Let everyone know I am thinking about them.

As far as Bondo, he is nothing in this world. It is a shame that someone in IN is posting about a situation in PA that he knows nothing about. Most likely he is a criminal and has no brains!! He is getting what he wants and that is attention!! His comments were nothing more but hot air coming out of his A*#. It is interesting to see what people say when they know no one that was involved and they do not know the circumstances. Sure he admitted to what he did, but HELLO, there is always something the attorneys will try to say he was forced to say it, that is not what he said, he was mental or whatever. Just because he admitted to it, doesn't mean it is an open and shut case. So Bondo, if this was your sister, best friend, niece or whatever, I am sure you wouldn't say the stupid sh!t you are here. You know nothing and what you say just shows how truly dumb you are. Get a life Bondo, keep your 2 cents to yourself and speak only on subjects that you know about, people you know about and I am sure you have an arrest sheet with the things you said, you are most likely a criminal as well.
Norm wrote:
Hey Bondo!
Who the hell do you think you are commenting on something you know nothing about? Oh now I see, IN...another wife beating redneck who thinks it is OK to shoot women! She should not have left a**hole because she owned the house! you f*cking moron! He should have been a real man and left and that would have been the end of the story. You on the other hand are not connected to any person involved in the situation so you need to f*ck off and STFU! This is a story that we can make a difference about. You too can make a difference by volunteering to be one of the police targets you purport to care about thereby saving the innocent life of another police target. That would be a fantastic contribution on your part as it would serve the additional benefit to society of our never having to hear from a horses a** like you ever again!
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Bondo

Hannibal, MO

#47 Oct 16, 2006
Michelle wrote:
Hey Norm!! Let everyone know I am thinking about them.
As far as Bondo, he is nothing in this world. It is a shame that someone in IN is posting about a situation in PA that he knows nothing about. Most likely he is a criminal and has no brains!! He is getting what he wants and that is attention!! His comments were nothing more but hot air coming out of his A*#. It is interesting to see what people say when they know no one that was involved and they do not know the circumstances. Sure he admitted to what he did, but HELLO, there is always something the attorneys will try to say he was forced to say it, that is not what he said, he was mental or whatever. Just because he admitted to it, doesn't mean it is an open and shut case. So Bondo, if this was your sister, best friend, niece or whatever, I am sure you wouldn't say the stupid sh!t you are here. You know nothing and what you say just shows how truly dumb you are. Get a life Bondo, keep your 2 cents to yourself and speak only on subjects that you know about, people you know about and I am sure you have an arrest sheet with the things you said, you are most likely a criminal as well.
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Wow ,you and norm need to back up and look around try first looking a few inches above this post you will see these words POST TO THE VIOLENT CRIME FORUM .The key word being FORUM Meaning is :
The public square or marketplace of an ancient Roman city that was the assembly place for judicial activity and public business.
A public meeting place for open discussion.
A medium of open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a newspaper or a radio or television program.
A public meeting or presentation involving a discussion usually among experts and often including audience participation.
A court of law; a tribunal.

So get off your dumb asses and think what you are trying to do take away my right of freedom of speech.

you are sad people , Something went wrong with these people's lives and the end result someone was killed I am sorry about that , But I am sorry all you assholes who say how much they know the victim were not there for her and couldnt read the signs she had to be putting out you should have been a friend to her that she could talk to it's too late now , so cry somewhere else you say you knew her ? then you should have helped her so PISS OFF BOTH OF YOU
Bondo

Hannibal, MO

#48 Oct 16, 2006
Norm wrote:
Hey Bondo!
Who the hell do you think you are commenting on something you know nothing about? Oh now I see, IN...another wife beating redneck who thinks it is OK to shoot women! She should not have left a**hole because she owned the house! you f*cking moron! He should have been a real man and left and that would have been the end of the story. You on the other hand are not connected to any person involved in the situation so you need to f*ck off and STFU! This is a story that we can make a difference about. You too can make a difference by volunteering to be one of the police targets you purport to care about thereby saving the innocent life of another police target. That would be a fantastic contribution on your part as it would serve the additional benefit to society of our never having to hear from a horses a** like you ever again!
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Norm first let me say I am from Chicago ,Il The reason I live in Indiana now is because I have two daughters and the city is not where I wanted them to grow up, You must be from the south or some place where they beat their women because you seem to have knowledge of such things , did your daddy teach you that by beating on your mom ? I am sorry you grew up that way.

Something you fail to see about the victim here is she could have left or called the police and have him locked up and divorce him settle the property issues latter but she didn't and dont look like all you caring people didn't bother to try and help her.
I think he will go to prison for what he did but she woll be just as dead and nothing can change that, what can change you dummy is people like me getting involved and trying to wake morons like you up to what is going on around you and then maybe things may change for the good of all of us, but you make lite of the police shootings, that shit goes on everywhere and some day it may be someone close to you that the trigger happy police gun down for lack of trainingmaybe a grand son or daughter how would that be ? Forums are where people talk and try to bring about change, not your personal crying rag you wanna cry because you sat back and let this woman get blown away do it somewhere else you wanna try and change the laws that keep the killer out of jail this is where you need to be.
Bondo

Hannibal, MO

#49 Oct 16, 2006
Gwens loving bro in law wrote:
Dear Reader,
Unless you are approsed of the entire situation, commenting on it simply makes you look either (A) Ill informed or (B) Like a member of the family that feels that they are being wrongly persecuted or (C) Someone that feels it is OK to smack thier wife into line occassionally. I think it is (D) all of the above! In any event to get even a glimmer of what Gwen was all about you only need to view this link to the last e-mail she ever sent to her family and friends
http://www.thedashmovie.com/
THE DASH NORM ?????????? YOU GOT A LOT OF NERVE TELLING FOLKS TO LOOK AT THAT SHIT THEN TALK THE SHIT YOU DO , LINDA GET AWAY FROM THIS TWO FACED S O B BEFOR HE HURTS YOU , HE IS A SNAKE AND JUST BY THE WAY HE TALKS TO PEOPLE IN THIS FORUM , I KNOW IF YOU DONT AGREE WITH HIM HE WILL MAKE YOU AGREE. MAKE SURE YOUR NEICE GETS WHAT SHE HAS COMMING FROM HER MOM DONT LET YOUR HUSBAND ROB HER. I SHOULD HAVE READ THE POST INSTEAD OF THE STORY, I WOULD HAVE BEEN READY FOR OLD NORM THERE, YOU DONT FOOL ME NORM MAYBE YOU SHOULD GO BACK AND SEE THE PICTURE SHOW YOU POSTED THE THRED TO AND THEN READ YOUR NAME CALLING POSTS YOU AS THE INDIANS WOULD SAY FORKED TOUNG DEVIL .

And I see that jilted sleezy Michelle wants to blame his family for this maybe it was Michelle who drove him insane and lindas sister got the rath ment for her and she feels guilty so many questions .

Remember Lynn I told you to get rid of norm befor he hurts you real bad or at least tell someone help is out there.

Good Luck and I am sorry for your loss.
Norm

Greenwood, IN

#50 Oct 16, 2006
Bondo,

Who gives a shit where you are from! Hooray that you have two daughters giving you a second generation of women to smack around in the future. Woith opinions like yours I am certain that the act of procreation was not consensual. Once again you make generalised assumptions about my past. Clueless little fuckwit that you are you can only opine about matters of which you know nothing. You are a pathetic parasite gloming onto anothers misfortune and while you are free to submit your opinions, I am free to point out that you are the asshole that you appear to be. Once again for the stupidly impaired SHE OWNED THE HOUSE ASSHOLE! No matter how you analize the situation SHE HAD A RIGHT NOT TO LEAVE and HE HAD NO RIGHT TO KILL HER! You seem to believe that the situation was cut and dried and it was not. I am her brother in law (for you half brained morons from morroco that means her sister is my wife) And the family begged her to throw him out. She was in the process of doing that when he killed her and you seem to think somehow that it was justified! You are a fucking scumbag of the highest order and your daughters are to be pitied for having such a freakshow for a father. So you know what FUCK YOU and your pomposity! You are as much a coward as he was for even simpathizing with that animal. You are typical of the "perpetrator as victim" mentality that permeates society and I pray that when you are facing the barrel of a gun and shitting in your pants as you cry like the little bitch that you are that you see the light before the muzzle blast! ASSHOLE!
Bondo wrote:
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Norm first let me say I am from Chicago ,Il The reason I live in Indiana now is because I have two daughters and the city is not where I wanted them to grow up, You must be from the south or some place where they beat their women because you seem to have knowledge of such things , did your daddy teach you that by beating on your mom ? I am sorry you grew up that way.
Something you fail to see about the victim here is she could have left or called the police and have him locked up and divorce him settle the property issues latter but she didn't and dont look like all you caring people didn't bother to try and help her.
I think he will go to prison for what he did but she woll be just as dead and nothing can change that, what can change you dummy is people like me getting involved and trying to wake morons like you up to what is going on around you and then maybe things may change for the good of all of us, but you make lite of the police shootings, that shit goes on everywhere and some day it may be someone close to you that the trigger happy police gun down for lack of trainingmaybe a grand son or daughter how would that be ? Forums are where people talk and try to bring about change, not your personal crying rag you wanna cry because you sat back and let this woman get blown away do it somewhere else you wanna try and change the laws that keep the killer out of jail this is where you need to be.
Norm

Greenwood, IN

#51 Oct 16, 2006
Thats right A**HOLE thedashmovie.com is what Gwen was all about. AT NO POINT DID I SAY THAT IT WAS WHAT I WAS ABOUT! YOU SEE I AM ABOUT VENGEANCE AND RETRIBUTION! I AM ABOUT BEATING THAT MOTHERF*CKER TO DEATH WITH MY BARE HANDS OVER THE COURSE OF DAYS OR EVEN WEEKS. I AM ABOUT TAKING OUT THE TRASH AND THROWING IT AWAY LIKE THE GARBAGE THAT IT IS. LINDA SAYS TO TELL YOU "F*CK YOU YOU POMPOUS A**" AS I STATED BEFORE I KNOW WHO I AM AND I AM HAPPY TO TELL THE WORLD MY FEELINGS ON THE SUBJECT BECAUSE IT IS A FAMILY MATTER REQUIRING NO INPUT FROM D*CKHEADS LIKE YOU! AS I STATED IN A PREVIOUS POST YOU ARE A COWARD FOR EVEN SIMPATHIZING WITH THIS MONSTER AND ALL OF YOU BULLSH*T AMOUNTS TO NOTHING BECAUSE IN THE END YOU WILL FIND THAT YOU ARE ONCE AGAIN MISTAKEN ABOUT A GREAT MANY THINGS. PS MY NEICE SAYS "F*CK YOU TOO A**HOLE" AND THAT IS A DIRECT QUOTE AS THEY TOO HAVE BEEN READING YOUR CORRESPONDENCE AND WOULD JUST LIKE FOR YOU TO TAKE A DRANO CUPPA AND DIE!
Bondo wrote:
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THE DASH NORM ?????????? YOU GOT A LOT OF NERVE TELLING FOLKS TO LOOK AT THAT SHIT THEN TALK THE SHIT YOU DO , LINDA GET AWAY FROM THIS TWO FACED S O B BEFOR HE HURTS YOU , HE IS A SNAKE AND JUST BY THE WAY HE TALKS TO PEOPLE IN THIS FORUM , I KNOW IF YOU DONT AGREE WITH HIM HE WILL MAKE YOU AGREE. MAKE SURE YOUR NEICE GETS WHAT SHE HAS COMMING FROM HER MOM DONT LET YOUR HUSBAND ROB HER. I SHOULD HAVE READ THE POST INSTEAD OF THE STORY, I WOULD HAVE BEEN READY FOR OLD NORM THERE, YOU DONT FOOL ME NORM MAYBE YOU SHOULD GO BACK AND SEE THE PICTURE SHOW YOU POSTED THE THRED TO AND THEN READ YOUR NAME CALLING POSTS YOU AS THE INDIANS WOULD SAY FORKED TOUNG DEVIL .
And I see that jilted sleezy Michelle wants to blame his family for this maybe it was Michelle who drove him insane and lindas sister got the rath ment for her and she feels guilty so many questions .
Remember Lynn I told you to get rid of norm befor he hurts you real bad or at least tell someone help is out there.
Good Luck and I am sorry for your loss.
Michelle

Rising Sun, MD

#52 Oct 16, 2006
Bondo, you are so immature and stupid. For one, I did not know Gwen, never said I did, so how could I tell her about Todd? For two, I was married to Todd and I left his ass after he started making demands and threats, I called the cops, so what else could I do? Hmm, nothing!!! YOu know something, the day will come that one of your daughters will be in a relationship and they will be hit or beat up and you know nothing about it, so unless you are GOD and know everything, you are speaking nothing and have no ounce of commen sense! For two, you do not know Todd or what he is capable of. He is the one that has said that he tried to commit suicide years ago because his family drove him insane!! How many times were you around Todd, his family! Oh that is right, you have never been around them at all. You talk so much shit, know so much you say, must be because all the time you were in prison, because you know you are exactly like Todd. I wouldn't doubt that you are a wife beater and also are a child abuser. You are so protective of the murderer and his family and you have to be straight out looney to support them. Also, tell us how if someone is an adult, how can you make them leave their mate? HELLO, you can't!! For two, you have no idea what Gwen's intentions are, just like when I was leaving him and moving out, he started to try and threaten me with shooting me!! You can not determine what someone is going to do in life, they may have never hurt anyone, hit anyone and then out of the blue, one day they loose it. How smart you are to think you can tell these things. You can't stupid ass!!

You are the ignorant ass here, you and your stupid comments. You know nothing but the lies you tell yourself and your kids. For another thing, you do not control what happens in a forum, you are the one that came in here trying to rule it, the people that have been posting are posting to help each other, talk about things, you came in here acting like you were in charge. You may want to hurry up, you need to get your diaper changed and go to bed, we heard enough of your whining ways. If that makes you feel better than that is ok, we need to educate you since you lack any brain cells. You need a lot of education, some people in this world just have no brains or commen sense. Oh yeah, when did you say you were marrying Todd?? You would make a perfect match!
Norm

Greenwood, IN

#53 Oct 16, 2006
BONDO,

I HAVE SPOKEN WITH ALL FAMILY MEMBERS AND PEOPLE INVOLVED AND WE HAVE DECIDED THAT WE WILL NO LONGER VISIT THIS POST THREAD SO GUESS WHAT D*CKHEAD> WE GET THE LAST SAY IN THE MATTER. I AGREE THAT OUR GREAT CONSTITUTION ALLOWS YOU THE RIGHT TO COMMENT ON ANYTHING YOU CHOOSE TO AND I WOULD NEVER QUESTION THE WISDOM OF OUR FOUNDING FATHERS. WE ON THE OTHER HAND HAVE THE RIGHT TO NO LONGER VIEW YOUR INSIDIOUS COMMENTS. MICHELLE, WE ARE NO LONGER USING THIS POST SO WE WILL JUST SPEAK WITH YOU DIRECTLY. PAY NO ATTENTION TO THIS WIFE BEATING SCUMBAGS COMMENTS AS HE IS JUST SPEAKING OUT OF HIS A**...PROBABLY A RESULT OF HAVING SH*T FOR BRAINS. IN ANY EVENT THE NEXT TIME WE READ ANYTHING ABOUT HIM WILL BE IN THE POLICE REPORT WHERE HE IS CHARGED WITH SPOUSAL AND CHILD ABUSE. ANOTHER BLIGHT ON SOCIETY. AT LEAST THE ANONIMITY OF THE INTERNET KEEPS THE LITTLE BITCH OF A PERSON SAFE AS HE PROFERS HIS INFLAMITORY AND ABSURD OPINIONS ON THE WORLD AT LARGE. I TAKE SOLICE IN THE FACT THAT ANYBODY ELSE READING THIS POST STRING WILL IMMEDIATELY IDENTIFY HIM AS THE A**HOLE THAT HE IS. THE TRIAL STARTS TOMMORROW AND WE MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE AND AFTER ALL IS SAID AND DONE AND THE YEARS HAVE HELPED TO ASSUAGE THE PAIN OF WHAT THE ACTS OF MONSTERS LIKE TODD AND BONDO HAVE INFLICTED ON SOCIETY I WILL REST EASY KNOWING THAT FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE BONDO WILL KNOW THAT HE IS AN A**HOLE EVERY TIME HE LOOKS IN THE MIRROR. THANKS TO THE POWER OF THE INTERNET, A WHOLE GROUP OF ADDITIONAL PEOPLE KNOW THAT AS WELL. TO HIS WIFE AND CHILDREN, YOU HAVE MY SIMPATHY. FLEE WHILE YOU CAN!

KINDEST REGARDS

NORM

PS I DID SOME RESEARCH AND IT APPEARS THAT THE TRUE REASON BONDO LEFT CHICAGO IL IS BECAUSE INDIANA HAS MUCH MORE LENIENT LAWS REGARDING CHILD PREDATORS SO HE IS FREE TO INDULGE IN HIS SICK TWISTED FANTASIES WITH HIS DAUGHTERS WITHOUT FEAR OF SEVERE REPRISALS. SO IN ACTUALITY HE LEFT CHICAGO BECAUSE IT WAS SAFER FOR HIM.
Bondo

Hannibal, MO

#54 Oct 16, 2006
Norm wrote:
Thats right A**HOLE thedashmovie.com is what Gwen was all about. AT NO POINT DID I SAY THAT IT WAS WHAT I WAS ABOUT! YOU SEE I AM ABOUT VENGEANCE AND RETRIBUTION! I AM ABOUT BEATING THAT MOTHERF*CKER TO DEATH WITH MY BARE HANDS OVER THE COURSE OF DAYS OR EVEN WEEKS. I AM ABOUT TAKING OUT THE TRASH AND THROWING IT AWAY LIKE THE GARBAGE THAT IT IS. LINDA SAYS TO TELL YOU "F*CK YOU YOU POMPOUS A**" AS I STATED BEFORE I KNOW WHO I AM AND I AM HAPPY TO TELL THE WORLD MY FEELINGS ON THE SUBJECT BECAUSE IT IS A FAMILY MATTER REQUIRING NO INPUT FROM D*CKHEADS LIKE YOU! AS I STATED IN A PREVIOUS POST YOU ARE A COWARD FOR EVEN SIMPATHIZING WITH THIS MONSTER AND ALL OF YOU BULLSH*T AMOUNTS TO NOTHING BECAUSE IN THE END YOU WILL FIND THAT YOU ARE ONCE AGAIN MISTAKEN ABOUT A GREAT MANY THINGS. PS MY NEICE SAYS "F*CK YOU TOO A**HOLE" AND THAT IS A DIRECT QUOTE AS THEY TOO HAVE BEEN READING YOUR CORRESPONDENCE AND WOULD JUST LIKE FOR YOU TO TAKE A DRANO CUPPA AND DIE!
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Norm take it easy you internet tough guy you sound like a real bad dude on the net here you punk why then is your sister in law dead ????? Beacuse you wanted to defend and protect her via the internet ?

Another thing why do you put such a high value on your sister in laws house was it worth her life ? I don't think so but thats what you are saying stay and get killed its your house thats bullshit. and where am i defending this guy I believe he should go to prison , but I dont think his mom, dad, sisters and brothers should , And as for linda and your neice I dont think you should direct quote them the way you do only because you make them sound like trailor trash but if they cant help the way they talk then so be it , I said not one thing bad about your sorry ass wife or your neice If a consouler was to read your post they would advise your wife the same as I did you are a scumbbag just like the one who killed your sister in law maybe you wont go as far as killing linda but I'll bet she has covered a lot of brused parts of her body to keep family members from seeing the abuse she gets from you you punk, as far as being under fireyou would be the one who shit their pants if ever confronted with a weapon , I been there and all that can happen is you die so it dont mean shit to me . In my job I have been drawn on or fired at maybe 17 times in 15 years so you can kiss my ass just so you know one of those time was an armed robbery by three male black offenders , do you know what you see when that happens ? nothing but the gun so tell your tough guy shit to someone who gives a shit , all you are now and all you have ever been is a punk who wouldn't last one week in Chicago, And I still feel sorry for linda , because it seems she is just as lost as her sister was and wont listen to anyone. OH if you can figure out how to contact Mrs.New Mexico and ask her about having a gun pulled on you she was with me and seen it go down, ask her about it if you question my nerve .
Bondo

Hannibal, MO

#55 Oct 16, 2006
Norm I'll bet you know the laws about being a child preadtor in every state you visit . For you to even come up with something like that say a lot about you and what is on your mind. Linda better watch out old norm is sounding like john wayne gecey and Jeff Dalhmer. You are a sicko Norm .
Bondo

Hannibal, MO

#56 Oct 16, 2006
Michelle <Can you read how do you figure I was trying to control this forum ? I said what i had to say and you and the internet worrier NORM jump me and started with the name calling and insults I think it must be a problem with the water where ever you are , you want to blame todd's family for what he did that kind of talk sparked Lynchings in the old days and here you are ready to throw the first stone , You should read what you posted here now and read what you said befor you are saying you cant see the future and yet you say the family made him do it . I read it like this he walks in and tells the cops I killed my wife , they find his wife and she is dead , whats is left is a trial and conviction and 25 to life for 2nd degree murder Im sorry for the victim I wish she had ran as fast as she could from this prick , I wish her family had done something to help her get away from him but that didnt happen and now it's too late.
But you and Norm come in and tell me I cant post and I dont know anything about it , Honey if he has a jury trial they wont know untill they their told about the case , but you see the Law will be there to protect him from people like you he has the right to a fair and impartial jury , And thats the law these forums are here for everyone to talk about the news , and just maybe get enough people togeather and you can bring about change , Not so for you and norm If you aint related and you didnt see it happen you got no business talkin about anything , WRONG!!!!!!! READ THE BILL OF RIGHTS AND YOU WILL KNOW WHY.
You see even that shit bag Norm can say shit about me and he never met me Reguarding my daughters and the bill of rights says he can even tho I never nentioned any thing about children he and Linda may have but I'll keep my comments out of the gutter and only talk about those who talk about me .
Michelle

Rising Sun, MD

#57 Oct 16, 2006
Bondo, let me just say that you do not know me as I do not know you. Yes you can post something but in your response, the way you worded things was very ignorant. How would you feel if it was your sister that was just murdered by her husband and someone post like you did. That would tick you off as well. Gwen's family is going through a lot and a lot of emotions and they have every right to be defensive and mad. Do you not think they wonder if they could have done something else, do you think they are not questioning things. Of course they are and that is normal but you should not judge them.
You do not know me and you were judging my statements. The problem is that you were giving input on people you know nothing about. You have no idea the things that Todd has told me, the things that his family has done and so forth. His family supports him. I know them first hand. I did NOT put his brother Troy down, he was the only one that seemed to be decent. For one he has only one brother and one sister. There are things that I witnessed that to me, was very very odd for a family to do. Todd admitted to trying to commit suicide because of his family. There are many things that you do not know about Todd and that you do not know about Gwen. Sure, she could have left but do you think a piece of paper saying they are divorced or even a PFA will keep someone from shooting you? No it wouldn't. So say she did leave him, divorced him AND had a PFA, but yet, he found her and STILL killed her, you would still feel she didn't do enough. How do you know her family didn't tell her to leave him, what more can they do, they can't force her, she is an adult, are you still going to blame her for what he did?
Can you see how the things you are saying is wrong and how you are blaming them when you know nothing about what they did or didn't do, how can you blame me for anything? I did the right thing and left him, how can you make any statements when you know nobody invovled.
Think about that. How would you feel if things like that were said to you? There are many things that we know about Todd or Gwen but the public doesn't.
Just understand her families point of view as well as mine. We know more than anyone except the killer's thoughts!
Bondo

Hannibal, MO

#58 Oct 16, 2006
Michelle I think both you and Norm think I condone Todd's actions or that I didn't care and maybe it sounded like it but that was not my intent. Just before I read the story about Gwen I had seen several stories about the needless shootings of children and youthful offenders by ploice officers under the cover of " I was in fear for my life " I was very up set to see people ,posting over what seemed like a done deal , By that I mean he did it no doubt and he said he did it and handed over the gun he did it with , Now he is in jail no man hunt no fear in the community not knowing who dunit . I am very sorry for the family but I read the story and posted ,I was not posting on the others comments till they were directed at me.

I have to ask you something if your son stole a car and was caught by the police would you just tell him your on your own ? see I believe in family and I would never no matter what turn my back on my children no matter what, It don't mean I like what they did , do you follow what I'm saying ?

I am sorry if I offended you that was not my intent , I am worried that some day my children who were taught not to be victims will run across a cop who thinks the badge is his license to kill one of them . That is something we can change ,not much we can do for Gwen except offer our prayers to her family , there was a misunderstanding about my post and well had you asked what I ment I would have told you .
Michelle

Rising Sun, MD

#59 Oct 16, 2006
To answer your question about my son and if he stole a car. This is my opinion on things. I love all of my children very much (there is 6) and they know and we have taught them at a young age that they are responsible for their actions and they have to face the consequences of what they do. To me, there is a huge difference in stealing a car and murdering somone. Yes, they both are wrong. If any of them stole a vehicle, that wouldn't make me not love them, but I also will not sit back and support them knowing they did that and knew it was wrong. I wouldn't "bail" them out either. They chose to do that, then they have to pay the price. Now, as far as murdering someone, I will love them still BUT I will in no way, shape or form, support them, be there to help them and will not stand by them. I will not do anything for them. If that happens, they chose to kill someone and to me, they deserve to be in jail forever. Will I go see them, no! I will not support a killer. They are responsible for what they did, not me. Break the law, pay the price!!
Also, read what your first post was, look at it as if it was your sister that was murdered and you read that, tell me how you truly would take it.
Just remember that we can not force someone to do something, nor should we murder them because they were "running their mouth and you wanted respect". If someone stands by a murderer, then they are no better. If you only knew the things I do about Todd and his family, then you may understand all of this better.
I dread sending my kids to school because of all the school shootings. Yes, this world for some reason is a mess, people don't like something, what do they do, they murder them. Why? Because they want the last say.
Yes Todd turned himself in but the one article said "he first shot his wife in the head, he then took the time to reload the shot gun and shot her in the chess. he changed his clothing and turned himself in". Should he get credit for doing that, hell no. He should have walked out the door and not come back. Who says he didn't leave and return to kill her. These are things we do not know.
Hopefully as this story unfolds more, you will see how his family was and how we was. I can't divulge all the information that I know, but believe me, if you knew the things I did, you also would be this way.
Post can not determine exactly how someone is stating something. Understand our feelings and understand the reactions that are coming out. Everyone wants to blame Gwen's family, but it was done by Todd and his family DID make him the way he is. If they are at the courthouse supporting him, that shows that they support a killer. They shouldn't visit him, talk to him or support him in court. If they do, that shows to me they do not think he did anything wrong. If my child killed someone because "they ran their mouth", they are done being in my life, I will love them, but I will not have any respect or want anything to do with them.
When something happens, everyone wants to blame the victim, their family for not seeing, but what about the person that did it and their family, how they were raised. The victim should not be blames, she didn't ask him to kill her, he chose to take the cowards way out and do the unthinkable. He did what he did because he had to always be in control, he had to always be right, he had to have the last say.
Hopefully you will read your first post as if it was posted about a family member of yours that was killed and then see if it bothers you.
Michelle

Rising Sun, MD

#60 Oct 16, 2006
Oops, I meant chest not chess

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