Data on teacher pay

Full story: The York Daily Record

Gwen Solito wrote superintendents should be embarrassed since teachers earn "only $35,000 to support their family," which seemed awfully low.
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mel

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Yep. And York COunty teachers have a MUCH higher level of education that the "average resident/employer." Compare apples to apples please. I am not saying teachers are not paid fairly, I am only saying we should be comparing salaries of jobs that require equal education and epertise. Teacher vs "average taxpayer" is not a fair comparison.
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mel wrote:
Yep. And York COunty teachers have a MUCH higher level of education that the "average resident/employer." Compare apples to apples please. I am not saying teachers are not paid fairly, I am only saying we should be comparing salaries of jobs that require equal education and epertise. Teacher vs "average taxpayer" is not a fair comparison.
agree -- but how about average person with a degree that has 3 months a year off

Teachers are well compensated
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AN education does not make one a teacher. How about we switch pay scales to the ability of the teacher to teach. There is no excuse for the horrible PSSA scores we have in this area. Tenure and unions have all but destroyed the teaching profession.
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It looks like Superintendants are underpaid compared to teachers. Teacher pay should be cut to no more and 50 percent of the Super. What is the real pay rate including Pension and benifits. Something tells me the adverage teacher total compensasion is around 80,000.
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Teacher Pay wrote:
It looks like Superintendants are underpaid compared to teachers. Teacher pay should be cut to no more and 50 percent of the Super. What is the real pay rate including Pension and benifits. Something tells me the adverage teacher total compensasion is around 80,000.
There is no limit on greed . It's bled into new hires as soon as they walk in the door. The PSEA has too much money to bribe future and present legislators and they have no morals about doing it. They make sure the teachers get a piece of the action and they take as much as they want. No complaints from the teachers. If you get paid by the hour for your work teachers , police, state workers, firemen can alter anything they want to make you think they work every hour of the 182 days they sometimes don't show up for. Beside in-service , 13 or more holidays , easter vacation , Christmes to New Years off , second language teachers aol , pension pay for more than when you were working , Social Security at an early age and withdraw all your pension payments plus interest.

Do you still think the average salary is around $80,000 ? It gets better and hits overload when you get into administration. Like a transformer on overload , it blows. They're still waiting for the economy to pick up so they can get a Cost of Living for retirees and make up for how they've been deprived since 2008 when their pension plan doesn't add up to pensioners now and in the future.
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I'd be willing to bet, that even adjusted for the time off (which contrary to popular belief is hardly 3 months - teachers actually put a lot of time in over the summer)teacher salaries are still in line with other professions of the same stature. No, education does not make for a good teacher, but teachers are forced by the state to get that continuing education. It is not a choice, but a requirement, and it is only natural that it be reflected in a salary that is commensurate with that level of required education.

And, contrary to popular belief, most districts do hold teacher accountable for student achievement, and place marginal or ineffective teachers on improvement plans. True, they are protected by unions, but that is a whole other topic. Those teachers, I believe are the minority, not the majority. So I stand by my statement that you simply cannot compare a teacher's salary with the "average taxpayer."
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mel wrote:
Yep. And York COunty teachers have a MUCH higher level of education that the "average resident/employer." Compare apples to apples please. I am not saying teachers are not paid fairly, I am only saying we should be comparing salaries of jobs that require equal education and epertise. Teacher vs "average taxpayer" is not a fair comparison.
What's up doctor, the last time I checked the taxpayer is still paying for all education. Either on their own or through taxes.

You're dam right , "Teachers vs average joe taxpayer isn't a fair comparison". The Dictatorial powers of the PSEA are the most unfair , unjust, and downright crooked theif in the night scam that is being laid on the taxpayer.

"trink das wasser nicht, die kuehe haben da reingeschissen"

Use two hands to drink the taxpayer water, you can get more in your mouth.
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What's up doctor, the last time I checked the taxpayer is still paying for all education. Either on their own or through taxes.
You're dam right , "Teachers vs average joe taxpayer isn't a fair comparison". The Dictatorial powers of the PSEA are the most unfair , unjust, and downright crooked theif in the night scam that is being laid on the taxpayer.
"trink das wasser nicht, die kuehe haben da reingeschissen"
Use two hands to drink the taxpayer water, you can get more in your mouth.
Bitter much?
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Those salaries are incredible. Teachers really are lazy, greedy, scumbags.
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mel wrote:
Yep. And York COunty teachers have a MUCH higher level of education that the "average resident/employer." Compare apples to apples please. I am not saying teachers are not paid fairly, I am only saying we should be comparing salaries of jobs that require equal education and epertise. Teacher vs "average taxpayer" is not a fair comparison.
Please don't tell me that a masters in phys ed is equivalent to one in engineering. And not only does the school district pay for most of those credits, the teachers get automatic increases when they hit certain post graduate levels.
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T Ruth wrote:
<quoted text>And not only does the school district pay for most of those credits, the teachers get automatic increases when they hit certain post graduate levels.
Do you have proof of these claims?
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Do you have proof of these claims?
Yep, Pa teachers search, the last time I tried it ,it was only for 2009. Pa gym teacher $72,000 , so with %age raise it is no doubt higher now.
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I can't fathom someone earning $80,000 for 9 months of work to teach seventh grade math. If you annualize that, it's over $106,000. To teach basic math? Seriously? How do they justify this with a straight face?

Is someone who's been teaching the exact same material for 30 years more qualified to teach it than someone who has been doing it for 5 years?

As far as I know, there haven't been many advances is grammar or basic math principles in the last few hundred years to justify these kinds of salaries for the exact same work.

This is appaling.
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Bitter much?
Not only me but every taxpayer/homeowner that thinks they will have to bail out an underfunded teachers pension that gets worse every year with no way out but us for bailing out a broke pension fund. Any more than two words on how to bail out all your fellow teachers on early pension by contributing more than you now do for yourself and future retirees .

You've lived to long and got used to too much of expecting the taxpayer giving you raises every year til you reach the $100,000.00 you think you deserve. We know enough will never be enough for you. Time for the State and public pensions to go broke and let the Feds take you over like all the industry pensions that have gone to the Feds. Obama has a new and improved health care for you. It's the same as all of us get. What makes you think you deserve to bleed the taxpayer over and beyond what they have to pay for your pension and medical benefits?
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I can't fathom someone earning $80,000 for 9 months of work to teach seventh grade math. If you annualize that, it's over $106,000. To teach basic math? Seriously? How do they justify this with a straight face?
Is someone who's been teaching the exact same material for 30 years more qualified to teach it than someone who has been doing it for 5 years?
As far as I know, there haven't been many advances is grammar or basic math principles in the last few hundred years to justify these kinds of salaries for the exact same work.
This is appaling.
Thats what they have curriculum coordinators for. To tell the teachers to crank out the same math lessons on a copy machine .

Unless you are one of the few really gifted instead of the parents idea of what gifted should be basic math will always stay the same and the really advanced math like physics with all the formulas are left to people that have something going on in their brain that the normal person can ever reach.

Analyze this ?
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People that have trouble with math are left behind for a lot of reasons. Maybe it isn't being taught correctly ? Maybe the answers should be given with the question and figure it backwards.

Sort of like how baskeball has evolved. Less dribbling and more passing. Pretty soon you won't see a player dribble the ball. It will all be passes.
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Based on my experience, they are well paid professional baby sitters. Education seems a distance second these days.
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Do you have proof of these claims?
Are you really that stupid?
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Let's do a more equivalent comparison based on wages for time worked.

The school year consists of 180 days.$40,000/180 =$222.22 per day starting pay.$80,000/180 =$444.44 per day.

Non-education employees usually work ~256 days per year.
$35,000/256 =$136.71 earned per day.

So starting teachers earn 163% of what the average person earns and long-tenure teachers earn 325% of the average PA resident.
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You people are amazing. Do you really think that teachers sit around for 3 months doing nothing? When do they get all of the mandated education requirements? In the summer of course.
I used to think like many of you until I decided to be a teacher when I was in college. I changed my major because it wasn't worth it. I have the oppurtunity now to make much more than the average teacher with my MBA. I just couldn't fathom working at the same place for 40 years so I can retire making the top wage of about 80,000. That is insane

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