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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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#71937 Apr 19, 2014
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<quoted text>I mentioned Dr. GWC not because he was Black, but because he developed new uses for peanuts.
That being said, those of us who grew up in 99% Christian areas found any minority of re-known to be a hero. In 4th Grade the history book featured a famous American in each chapter. It included both Chaim Solomon and Dr. Geo. Washington Carver--unheard of for our town. Book was changed within a few years. We celebrated when Wendell Smith joined WGN (Cubs station) as lead sports anchor.
from Wiki: "George Washington Carver reputedly discovered three hundred uses for peanuts..."

They also credit him possibly for the proliferation of peanut butter...

Also,

"....Jamaican Peanut porridge is a delicious breakfast treat. It is a favorite of vegetarians because it is high in protein. Before it became “main stream” dish it was categorized as “street food”, as it was mainly served by street food vendors in Jamaica. It is now enjoyed by Jamaican tourists and locals alike.
Read more: http://www.jamaicans.com/cooking/appetizers/P...

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#71938 Apr 19, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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But if you were truely practicing detachment, why would you want to imbue yourself with a sense of accomplishment? It would seem that would be anathema.
LOL.

Such poor logic.

Until the final goal is accomplished, one is always imbued with a sense of doing but once one arrives at the ultimate state then there's nothing left to be accomplished as then one is perfection personified.

Perfect detachment means perfect knowledge by identification of the self with everything that is there to be known and an ability to change things at will while being unaffected all the while.
Eric

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#71939 Apr 19, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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from Wiki: "George Washington Carver reputedly discovered three hundred uses for peanuts..."
They also credit him possibly for the proliferation of peanut butter...
Also,
"....Jamaican Peanut porridge is a delicious breakfast treat. It is a favorite of vegetarians because it is high in protein. Before it became “main stream” dish it was categorized as “street food”, as it was mainly served by street food vendors in Jamaica. It is now enjoyed by Jamaican tourists and locals alike.
Read more: http://www.jamaicans.com/cooking/appetizers/P...
I figured it out. Jamaicans believe peanuts are an aphrodisiac.

http://iamsimplytia.com/2013/03/24/caribbeanp...

He likes peanut butter because he can't get it up!

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#71940 Apr 19, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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I think a better goal would be to enjoy life to its fullest, with all its imperfections, its highs and lows. The path of the crash and burn. That seems more natural than pursuing a mythical automaton nirvana.
That kind of ultimate aim of flowing with life with all its ups and downs and forever living in the ignorance from birth to birth (or in every round of existence) as dictated by the causal laws (or by the mechanism of karma) and never seeking a way out of the web of the unregenerate states and never seeking for a remedy to transform the same is for ordinary souls who know nothing better.

For me, attaining to that ultimate state that's above G-d, patriarch, messiah, prophet, avatar, nirvana or whatever is the cherished aim that just a handful of the most advanced yogis in the whole of human history like Kapila, Patanjali and a few others have accomplished.

This highest state is called in yogic parlance jeevan mukti - attaining to perfection while in the body.

In anything I do, I always aim for the highest, or at least I keep the highest as the ultimate goal and as such my moves are dictated by that aspiration.

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#71941 Apr 19, 2014
COMMON SENSE, SCIENTIFIC KNOWLEDGE & BEYOND SCIENCE

"While common sense is good enough for most basic activities of daily life (not including an understanding of how television, smartphones, GPSs, and computers work), it is not sufficient to account for the larger reality revealed by science. Nor is it capable of perceiving the far stranger and vaster realities that patiently wait for us far beyond the reach of today's science."

- Dr Dean Radin

* Dean Radin, ex-Jew, is a leading psi researcher and a practicing Vedantist who draws much of his yoga from the Patanjali Yog Sutras (Yoga Aphorisms of Patanjali)

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#71942 Apr 20, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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LOL.
Such poor logic.
Until the final goal is accomplished, one is always imbued with a sense of doing but once one arrives at the ultimate state then there's nothing left to be accomplished as then one is perfection personified.
Perfect detachment means perfect knowledge by identification of the self with everything that is there to be known and an ability to change things at will while being unaffected all the while.
But didnt you concede that virtually NOONE atains that state? So where am I wrong?

It also seems to me that the earlier description and promotion of the path posted is entire selfish
How about the practicing detachments as a mode to strengthen communal relationships?

Thats another thing I dont get about Eastern philosophy. Its so hyper focused on the self. Belly button gazing at the expense of working with humanity.

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#71943 Apr 20, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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That kind of ultimate aim of flowing with life with all its ups and downs and forever living in the ignorance from birth to birth (or in every round of existence) as dictated by the causal laws (or by the mechanism of karma) and never seeking a way out of the web of the unregenerate states and never seeking for a remedy to transform the same is for ordinary souls who know nothing better.
For me, attaining to that ultimate state that's above G-d, patriarch, messiah, prophet, avatar, nirvana or whatever is the cherished aim that just a handful of the most advanced yogis in the whole of human history like Kapila, Patanjali and a few others have accomplished.
This highest state is called in yogic parlance jeevan mukti - attaining to perfection while in the body.
In anything I do, I always aim for the highest, or at least I keep the highest as the ultimate goal and as such my moves are dictated by that aspiration.
Honestly, almost any rational person would note the elitist focus of most of that. Look at the language chosen - "unregenerate, ordinary souls, know nothing, above, highest state, etc etc".

None of that offers a basis for morality. There is still no clear moral basis or truth offered for believing that this path is better than my path. Or any path for that matter.

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#71944 Apr 20, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>I figured it out. Jamaicans believe peanuts are an aphrodisiac.
http://iamsimplytia.com/2013/03/24/caribbeanp...
He likes peanut butter because he can't get it up!
Would surprise me. He does spend an inordinate amount of time here talking about sex. Compensation, perhaps.

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#71945 Apr 20, 2014
I meant "wouldnt suprise me"

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#71946 Apr 20, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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But didnt you concede that virtually NOONE atains that state? So where am I wrong?
I did name Patanjali, Kapila and Sukhadeva and said a few other greats have attained to this supreme state.

I always keep the highest aim in mind though I may be capable of taking just a few baby steps towards this loftiest of all aims.

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#71947 Apr 20, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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How about the practicing detachments as a mode to strengthen communal relationships?
One soul attaining to the supreme state influences thousands of others and has a positive impact on their force fields which is simply a great thing.

What matters is not feeding the poor or being sweet to others which anyone including stray dogs can do.

Praying to a monster, staying offline once a week, making pilgrimage, head bowing, scripture reading, cultivating tribal affiliations, cutting off the foreskin, sacrificing an animal and the rest are pursuits for degraded human types.

What matters most is what influence does one's lofty spiritual achievements has on the force fields of others which as a result goads others to make the first move in the right direction towards the highest aim.

This is what counts.

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#71948 Apr 20, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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I don't get about Eastern philosophy. Its so hyper focused on the self. Belly button gazing at the expense of working with humanity.
Each human being is responsible for his own karma and comes into the world carrying with him the karma of numerous previous rounds of existence in keeping with the causal laws governing the workings of the individual consciousness.

So, each one has to fend for himself where critical parameters of life and growth are concerned.

Others may serve as enablers, goaders or inspirational influences.

So, as said, each one is responsible for his own karma.

Self-realization puts you into direct touch with the whole of existence and makes you one with its source and thereafter if you wish you can work on regenerating the universal force fields or in uplifting those who're ready for the next giant step which is infinitely better than feeding the poor, meeting with fellow-tribalists, reading nonsensical scriptures, killing animals, or giving away clothes to the naked. These acts of charity anyone can do and despite giving away billions to the needy humanity is still not happy nor has the number of poor reduced nor has deaths due to malnutrition or diseases gone down.

To change the terrestrial conditions for the better what is needed is a complete transformation of the terrestrial nature.

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#71949 Apr 20, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Honestly, almost any rational person would note the elitist focus of most of that. Look at the language chosen - "unregenerate, ordinary souls, know nothing, above, highest state, etc etc".

None of that offers a basis for morality. There is still no clear moral basis or truth offered for believing that this path is better than my path. Or any path for that matter.
Only an insane character would consider equality the law of nature.

Gradation in terms of the workings of nature and of human capacity is the law in nature.

In the essence everything is one but in the manifestation karma determines who is above and who is below.

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#71950 Apr 20, 2014
Unity in variety is the law of nature.

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#71951 Apr 20, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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I did name Patanjali, Kapila and Sukhadeva and said a few other greats have attained to this supreme state.
I always keep the highest aim in mind though I may be capable of taking just a few baby steps towards this loftiest of all aims.
World population is about 7.51 Billion, and only less than a dozen "may" have attained this.

Doesnt seem. to me at least, a viable path for the ordinary to aspire to.

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#71952 Apr 20, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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One soul attaining to the supreme state influences thousands of others and has a positive impact on their force fields which is simply a great thing.
What matters is not feeding the poor or being sweet to others which anyone including stray dogs can do.
Praying to a monster, staying offline once a week, making pilgrimage, head bowing, scripture reading, cultivating tribal affiliations, cutting off the foreskin, sacrificing an animal and the rest are pursuits for degraded human types.
What matters most is what influence does one's lofty spiritual achievements has on the force fields of others which as a result goads others to make the first move in the right direction towards the highest aim.
This is what counts.
But those goals, but own admittance, appear to be anti-social...

How is your program enticing for those who really care about the state of humanity? It is hard to argue that caring for the needy and the poor is not a basic obligation, and I dont anyone on a serious spiritual path that would poo poo that..

"The opposite of love is not hate - its indifference"
- E.Wiesel

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#71953 Apr 20, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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Only an insane character would consider equality the law of nature.
Gradation in terms of the workings of nature and of human capacity is the law in nature.
In the essence everything is one but in the manifestation karma determines who is above and who is below.
Interesting assertions, but please offer a reason why your theory is any better, or more truthy, than any other speculations or musings on the issue....

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#71954 Apr 20, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Interesting assertions, but please offer a reason why your theory is any better, or more truthy, than any other speculations or musings on the issue....
LOL.

Tell me, in what way is the equality of human beings a valid law of nature.

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#71955 Apr 20, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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World population is about 7.51 Billion, and only less than a dozen "may" have attained this.

Doesnt seem. to me at least, a viable path for the ordinary to aspire to.
Just a handful of individuals has attained to the supreme state which is not surprising since the vast majority of human beings are no better than animals who live in the unregenerate consciousness and have ordinary aims or in many cases barbaric ideals.

To attain to the supreme state is not possible in one lifetime.

The handful of human beings who've till now attained to the supreme state has accomplished the superlative feat after numerous births with them perfecting a part of themselves in each round until in a particular life they became capable of going the whole way.

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#71956 Apr 20, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Doesnt seem. to me at least, a viable path for the ordinary to aspire to.
The ordinary people have to first make a start with emphasis on good karma, right belief, right eugenics, right practice and right environment and then if they sustain the momentum they get better and better in capacity as their consciousness begins evolving to higher degrees and in turn they keep getting born in better and in still better milieu in each round of existence with better carried over instincts from past rounds of existences and better genes and better environments affording them a better field of action of moving several rungs higher up the ladder and so on until in one particular round of existence their consciousness gets so refined that they can attempt the supramental transformation and pave the way for the still higher aim of attaining to the bliss plane and so on until they become capable in mind, emotion, body and subconscious of achieving the supreme state.

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